Dave McKay and Doug Floer returned for the debut 2023 race. Another quick driver, Robert Fraser, also showed up. The three of them were the best of the remaining field by several seconds per lap. McKay and Floer have been faster that Alan Baker in almost all the races where they competed. It's probably going to be a fun summer of loser-Baker excuses. I'm sure Alan will brag about having the almost record FF lap!

Alan Baker did not show up. He claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure, huh Alan? No racing until June or July? Giving the all-star season winning competition a chance to get all those laps in before you even show up? :-)

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
> have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…

Because it never can happen here?

I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August..

-hh

On 2023-05-07 15:34, Thomas E. wrote:
> Dave McKay and Doug Floer returned for the debut 2023 race. Another
> quick driver, Robert Fraser, also showed up. The three of them were
> the best of the remaining field by several seconds per lap. McKay and
> Floer have been faster that Alan Baker in almost all the races where
> they competed. It's probably going to be a fun summer of loser-Baker
> excuses. I'm sure Alan will brag about having the almost record FF
> lap!

The fact remains that I'm the second fastest FF driver ever around Mission.

Dave McKay and I went head-to-head all of 2019. In total, there were 27
sessions when we were both on track.

I was faster than Dave in 20 of those sessions. I was fastest FF overall
in 17 of those sessions.

Oh, and because of last year's tire supply issues, some of the drivers
out there—specifically, Robert Fraser, are still using up Hoosier Club
Ford tires already purchased.

Those tires are good for about 2 seconds a lap.

>
> Alan Baker did not show up. He claims to be laid up waiting for
> hernia surgery. Must terrible to have to wait in line for months to
> get simple surgical procedure, huh Alan? No racing until June or
> July? Giving the all-star season winning competition a chance to get
> all those laps in before you even show up? :-)

I'm fascinated how you can both claim that I'm somehow a mediocre
driver, when I've been faster than those you would term "all-star",
Little Shit.

On 2023-05-07 16:23, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>> [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
>> have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…
>
> Because it never can happen here?
>
> I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
> up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
> took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August.
>
> -hh

And sadly for me, there's been a miscommunication between my surgeon and
the Delta Hospital, so I'm postponed.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:28:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 15:34, Thomas E. wrote:
> > Dave McKay and Doug Floer returned for the debut 2023 race. Another
> > quick driver, Robert Fraser, also showed up. The three of them were
> > the best of the remaining field by several seconds per lap. McKay and
> > Floer have been faster that Alan Baker in almost all the races where
> > they competed. It's probably going to be a fun summer of loser-Baker
> > excuses. I'm sure Alan will brag about having the almost record FF
> > lap!
> The fact remains that I'm the second fastest FF driver ever around Mission.
>
> Dave McKay and I went head-to-head all of 2019. In total, there were 27
> sessions when we were both on track.
>
> I was faster than Dave in 20 of those sessions. I was fastest FF overall
> in 17 of those sessions.
>
> Oh, and because of last year's tire supply issues, some of the drivers
> out there—specifically, Robert Fraser, are still using up Hoosier Club
> Ford tires already purchased.
>
> Those tires are good for about 2 seconds a lap.
> >
> > Alan Baker did not show up. He claims to be laid up waiting for
> > hernia surgery. Must terrible to have to wait in line for months to
> > get simple surgical procedure, huh Alan? No racing until June or
> > July? Giving the all-star season winning competition a chance to get
> > all those laps in before you even show up? :-)
> I'm fascinated how you can both claim that I'm somehow a mediocre
> driver, when I've been faster than those you would term "all-star",
> Little Shit.

Let's set this record straight.

From 2016 to 2020 I show 43 races which were competitive from start to finish and you were entered.

Winners:

Floer: 17
McColl: 8
McKay: 10
Baker: 8

McColl dropped out after 2016, else this record would likely be different. Floer dropped out after 2018. Then it was you and McKay in some races, not all.

You can be faster, but overall you are not.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:40:15 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 16:23, -hh wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >> [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
> >> have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…
> >
> > Because it never can happen here?
> >
> > I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
> > up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
> > took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August.
> >
> > -hh
> And sadly for me, there's been a miscommunication between my surgeon and
> the Delta Hospital, so I'm postponed.

Liar, you are afraid to race real competition.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
> > have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…
>
> Because it never can happen here?
>
> I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
> up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
> took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August.
>
> -hh

All medical appointments are not equal. Hernia can be life threatening. Cataract surgery et al, less urgent. It also depends on the doctor and medical facility schedules. I just had a melanoma excised off my right shoulder. Took 4 weeks from the initial visit when the sample went to the lab. A week to get the lab result back. Now the wait for the second lab result.

On 2023-05-08 14:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:40:15 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-07 16:23, -hh wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>> [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
>>>> have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…
>>>
>>> Because it never can happen here?
>>>
>>> I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
>>> up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
>>> took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August.
>>>
>>> -hh
>> And sadly for me, there's been a miscommunication between my surgeon and
>> the Delta Hospital, so I'm postponed.
>
> Liar, you are afraid to race real competition.

You think I'm lying about having a hernia, Little Shit.

I'm not you.

On 2023-05-08 14:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:28:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-07 15:34, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> Dave McKay and Doug Floer returned for the debut 2023 race. Another
>>> quick driver, Robert Fraser, also showed up. The three of them were
>>> the best of the remaining field by several seconds per lap. McKay and
>>> Floer have been faster that Alan Baker in almost all the races where
>>> they competed. It's probably going to be a fun summer of loser-Baker
>>> excuses. I'm sure Alan will brag about having the almost record FF
>>> lap!
>> The fact remains that I'm the second fastest FF driver ever around Mission.
>>
>> Dave McKay and I went head-to-head all of 2019. In total, there were 27
>> sessions when we were both on track.
>>
>> I was faster than Dave in 20 of those sessions. I was fastest FF overall
>> in 17 of those sessions.
>>
>> Oh, and because of last year's tire supply issues, some of the drivers
>> out there—specifically, Robert Fraser, are still using up Hoosier Club
>> Ford tires already purchased.
>>
>> Those tires are good for about 2 seconds a lap.
>>>
>>> Alan Baker did not show up. He claims to be laid up waiting for
>>> hernia surgery. Must terrible to have to wait in line for months to
>>> get simple surgical procedure, huh Alan? No racing until June or
>>> July? Giving the all-star season winning competition a chance to get
>>> all those laps in before you even show up? :-)
>> I'm fascinated how you can both claim that I'm somehow a mediocre
>> driver, when I've been faster than those you would term "all-star",
>> Little Shit.
>
> Let's set this record straight.
>
> From 2016 to 2020 I show 43 races which were competitive from start to finish and you were entered.
>
> Winners:
>
> Floer: 17
> McColl: 8
> McKay: 10
> Baker: 8
>
> McColl dropped out after 2016, else this record would likely be different. Floer dropped out after 2018. Then it was you and McKay in some races, not all.
>
> You can be faster, but overall you are not.
>

Riiiiiiight.

Because the fair, logical way is to compare the last 5 years of a
relatively new driver against the results of much more experienced drivers.

I only started racing in 2013, Little Shit.

Doug, Dave and Alan have all be racing for far longer.

The simple fact is that the last time I went head-to-head for an entire
season with one of those three, the results were

McKay: 218 points
Baker: 199 points

And I had three races where I scored a total of 2 points due to:

1. Another driving crashing into me and taking me out of the rest of the
weekend.

2. A health issue.

Even if I'd finished all those three races in second place (and Dave and
I were basically in first and second positions all season long) then I'd
have won the SCCBC FF championship.

<https://www.sccbc.net/racers/club-championship/2019-sccbc-club-standings/>

And note that my very best lap was a full 7 tenths faster than his.

On 2023-05-08 14:51, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
>>> have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…
>>
>> Because it never can happen here?
>>
>> I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
>> up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
>> took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August.
>>
>> -hh
>
> All medical appointments are not equal. Hernia can be life threatening. Cataract surgery et al, less urgent. It also depends on the doctor and medical facility schedules. I just had a melanoma excised off my right shoulder. Took 4 weeks from the initial visit when the sample went to the lab. A week to get the lab result back. Now the wait for the second lab result.

And my hernia is definitely (at this point) nowhere near life-threatening.

But it doesn't prevent me from doing the kind of activity necessary to
compete in a racing weekend. Not so much the driving, but everything
else (prepping the car, loading the trailer, unloading at the track, etc.).

On 5/7/2023 3:34 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> Dave McKay and Doug Floer returned for the debut 2023 race. Another quick driver, Robert Fraser, also showed up. The three of them were the best of the remaining field by several seconds per lap. McKay and Floer have been faster that Alan Baker in almost all the races where they competed. It's probably going to be a fun summer of loser-Baker excuses. I'm sure Alan will brag about having the almost record FF lap!
>
> Alan Baker did not show up. He claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure, huh Alan? No racing until June or July? Giving the all-star season winning competition a chance to get all those laps in before you even show up? :-)

Canada is a very socialistic country. No surprise one has to wait so
long for surgery.

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 5:51:08 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > [Alan] claims to be laid up waiting for hernia surgery. Must terrible to
> > > have to wait in line for months to get simple surgical procedure…
> >
> > Because it never can happen here?
> >
> > I’m coordinating on a medical appointment this week that was set
> > up in February. And another called for at the end of March which
> > took ~3 weeks to get scheduled… it is finally going to be in August.
> >
>
> All medical appointments are not equal.

Of course not.

> Hernia can be life threatening.

As well as less urgent too. As such, no use in trying to make a big deal about it.

Oh, and on your brag attempt from however many years ago, figured I'd upload
these for general enjoyment:

http://huntzinger.com/photo/2023/brac/Suunto_0403.jpg
http://huntzinger.com/photo/2023/brac/Suunto-log.png

-hh

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:13:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-01 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
> >>>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact
> >>>>>>> that you can post a faster best lap and still not win the
> >>>>>>> race actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent
> >>>>>>> driver you are.
> >>>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
> >>>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
> >>>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
> >>>>
> >>>> What a shock.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 😄
> >>>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
> >>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>> Indeed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of
> >>>>>> the races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per
> >>>>>> lap faster.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
> >>>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car
> >>>>>> can really do...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good
> >>>>>> enough to teach...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 😄
> >>>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave
> >>>>> McKay.
> >>>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to
> >>>> be "elite", you Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> You agree that's factual, right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
> >>>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few
> >>>>> things. I never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
> >>>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it
> >>>> at all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing
> >>>> license.
> >>>>
> >>>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
> >>>
> >>> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so
> >>> far this year because you have a hernia.
> >> I did say that, yes.
> >>> That's what I meant by "not able to get a license."
> >> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
> >>
> >> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
> >>> Could have stated that better.
> >> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
> >>
> >> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I
> >> think we know where you stand on honesty.
> No reply?
>
> I'm shocked.
> >>> In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost
> >>> his license."
> >> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
> >>
> >> That's something you're just making up.
> >>> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this
> >>> year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you
> >>> stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last
> >>> lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July
> >>> 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won
> >>> by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.
> >> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once,
> >> Little Shit...
> >>
> >> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by
> >> Doug counts against him?
> >
> > Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where
> > you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind
> > Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.
> I'm not running around the internet for you, Little Shit.

Of course not, because you seldom finish ahead of Doug. You just ducked out and deflected and you know it. And, all the results are on one site, you don't have to "run all over the Internet".

On 2023-09-26 17:50, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:13:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-01 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
>>>>>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact
>>>>>>>>> that you can post a faster best lap and still not win the
>>>>>>>>> race actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent
>>>>>>>>> driver you are.
>>>>>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
>>>>>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
>>>>>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a shock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 😄
>>>>>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
>>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of
>>>>>>>> the races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per
>>>>>>>> lap faster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
>>>>>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car
>>>>>>>> can really do...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good
>>>>>>>> enough to teach...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 😄
>>>>>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave
>>>>>>> McKay.
>>>>>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to
>>>>>> be "elite", you Little Shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You agree that's factual, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
>>>>>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few
>>>>>>> things. I never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
>>>>>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it
>>>>>> at all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing
>>>>>> license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so
>>>>> far this year because you have a hernia.
>>>> I did say that, yes.
>>>>> That's what I meant by "not able to get a license."
>>>> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
>>>>
>>>> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
>>>>> Could have stated that better.
>>>> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
>>>>
>>>> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I
>>>> think we know where you stand on honesty.
>> No reply?
>>
>> I'm shocked.
>>>>> In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost
>>>>> his license."
>>>> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> That's something you're just making up.
>>>>> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this
>>>>> year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you
>>>>> stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last
>>>>> lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July
>>>>> 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won
>>>>> by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.
>>>> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once,
>>>> Little Shit...
>>>>
>>>> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by
>>>> Doug counts against him?
>>>
>>> Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where
>>> you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind
>>> Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.
>> I'm not running around the internet for you, Little Shit.
>
> Of course not, because you seldom finish ahead of Doug. You just ducked out and deflected and you know it. And, all the results are on one site, you don't have to "run all over the Internet".

LOL!

I've beaten Doug. Period.

You're so interested in the stats:

YOU chase them down.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time..
> > > >
> > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > >
> > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > >
> > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> >
> > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> I know.
> > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
>
> -hh

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:11:03 AM UTC+9, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.. wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp .... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
> > > > >
> > > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > > >
> > > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > > >
> > > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> > >
> > > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> > I know.
> > > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> > Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> > No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> > 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> > 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> > Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> > The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> > Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> > this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
> >
> > -hh
> To sum it up we had a good time. Because we drove we were able to be very flexible
> on diversions to see things we never planned. We planned our stops only a day ahead.
> The only downsides were the 3 days we spent on long drives and a tire failure that
> knocked us out of visiting one national park we had intended to see. We stumbled
> across Little Bighorn National Battlefield, the Truman Presidental library and a stay
> at the Hotel Nevada in Ely. We spent half an hour waiting for a buffalo traffic jam to
> clear, visited some great local restaurants, friends that we had not seen since college
> days, and saw some epic vistas that your airline travel would have flown over.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:10:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-26 17:50, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:13:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-09-01 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Fastest laps: The fastest single lap does not win races.
> >>>>>>>>> Consistent faster than the field wins races. The fact
> >>>>>>>>> that you can post a faster best lap and still not win the
> >>>>>>>>> race actually PROVES what a shitty and inconsistent
> >>>>>>>>> driver you are.
> >>>>>>>> I finished the aggregate 2019 season of 211 racing laps
> >>>>>>>> head-to-head against Dave 41.336 seconds ahead.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And you said that Dave was "elite", didn't you?
> >>>>>> Unaddressed, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What a shock.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you declare that Dave McKay was "elite"? Yes or no.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 😄
> >>>>>>>>> Excuses: You are full of excuses. Your record speaks for
> >>>>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>> Indeed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Head-to-head against someone you deem elite, I won 36% of
> >>>>>>>> the races and was, on aggregate, just less than 0.2s per
> >>>>>>>> lap faster.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you do make it out to Vancouver, sign up for a high
> >>>>>>>> performance driving day, and I'll school you on what a car
> >>>>>>>> can really do...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...because the best drivers in the SCCBC deemed by good
> >>>>>>>> enough to teach...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...after only 4 seasons of racing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 😄
> >>>>>>> You lost 64% of those races. You are not as good as Dave
> >>>>>>> McKay.
> >>>>>> I won more than a third of them against a driver you deem to
> >>>>>> be "elite", you Little Shit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You agree that's factual, right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I thought you could not get a racing license due to a health
> >>>>>>> issue. I am sure you could teach a novice like me a few
> >>>>>>> things. I never claimed to be an experienced FF driver.
> >>>>>> There's little evidence that you've done much thinking about it
> >>>>>> at all. I never once claimed I was unable to get a racing
> >>>>>> license.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And I could do much more than teach you "a few things"...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...and it wouldn't matter which class of car it was in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I clearly remember you claiming that you are not participating so
> >>>>> far this year because you have a hernia.
> >>>> I did say that, yes.
> >>>>> That's what I meant by "not able to get a license."
> >>>> That's a ret-conning lie, Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why can't you EVER behave with personal integrity?
> >>>>
> >>>> You ASSUMED that's what I meant.
> >>>>> Could have stated that better.
> >>>> You could have behaved with some honesty after your error...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but you are the man who advocated cheating with tires, so I
> >>>> think we know where you stand on honesty.
> >> No reply?
> >>
> >> I'm shocked.
> >>>>> In the aviation world when you fail a physical we say "he lost
> >>>>> his license."
> >>>> Only problem being that I didn't "fail a physical", Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's something you're just making up.
> >>>>> As for Dave McKay, he has placed ahead of Doug Floer twice this
> >>>>> year. How many times did you do that? I recall once, and that you
> >>>>> stated it was because Doug made an unforced error on the last
> >>>>> lap. One of those recent McKay wins over Floer was Race 1 on July
> >>>>> 23. Floer finished third for passing under yellow, but McKay won
> >>>>> by 0.041 seconds. Floer lost one position for the pass.
> >>>> I've definitely finished ahead of Doug on track more than once,
> >>>> Little Shit...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but isn't it interesting that you don't think a mistake made by
> >>>> Doug counts against him?
> >>>
> >>> Please list all race details (date and race number) for those where
> >>> you finished ahead of Doug and all those where you finished behind
> >>> Doug. Also list all races you won and Doug was in the field.
> >> I'm not running around the internet for you, Little Shit.
> >
> > Of course not, because you seldom finish ahead of Doug. You just ducked out and deflected and you know it. And, all the results are on one site, you don't have to "run all over the Internet".
> LOL!
>
> I've beaten Doug. Period.
>
> You're so interested in the stats:
>
> YOU chase them down.

I did, took all of 30 minutes. Sources are SCCBC season champion records where available and where none posted Speedhive.

Number of times you finished ahead of Alan McColl, Doug Floer or Dave McKay

2013 - 0
2014 - 1 McKay
2015 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay
2018 - 0
2019 - 4 McKay
2020 - 0, but there were only 3 races and none for Alan, Doug and Dave
2021 - 0
2022 - 0 but one more race to go

Only 9 times out of all the races you have run against these 3 you finished ahead. 6 of the 9 were ahead of McKay, the slowest of the top 3. Not a great record at all.

Face it, you are not even in the same league as Alan, Doug and Dave. Best of level 2, you are that. LOL at your inflated ego.

By the way, is one reason you don't race more financial? Are debt and tax obligations a problem for you?

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:46:44 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:11:03 AM UTC+9, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> …
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What's your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That's his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him scramble because he's declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3 after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to discover that I've easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'm not a race driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer, McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's a lot more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's look at your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can't even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won 6 races to Dave McKay's 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you're "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here's the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Z98fKnZ8ZJA0Lq2meVhwu44aB-E0y1Y/view?usp=share_link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the other car's right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of the Elites raced FF.. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7, Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <yawn>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field. None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3 August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3. Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area. Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It’s remarkable that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the "best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I'm not sure how that's a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing record is not competitive with June’s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You're not only a liar. You're a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019 victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins "tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there's a good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone else is running tires that aren't class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't "do" anything when you don't even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “We are now 5 years older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …which hasn’t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been quite busy traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA, Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you're content with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this year's squall lines have caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago that had an 'echo top' of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real 'neighbor'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we go we will drive.. No excuses, it's just more of a hassle and too expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you're likely paying ~40% more, not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year I've logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about 25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of 10 plus a DJI drone.. Income is more than sufficient to cover all expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location, location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it's not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways & Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I'd put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi + $20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144 + $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means ~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals, ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly weather dependent.. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For 'trickle down' schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to plan one's within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn't matter if you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > > > you're going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about $360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally $786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But if you're flying and not driving, the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating discounts, and then eyeballed the 'monthly' bar chart
> > > > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you're willing to burn an extra week or more to drive the whole shebang, you're
> > > > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But, most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as "too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day towards them before actually
> > > > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That's our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > > > Flat? Not unless it’s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it’s not
> > > > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack out is not really all
> > > > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > > > The Accord's seats put any airline coach seat I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > > > So don’t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your budget was freed up.
> > > > > > > You won’t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $ now is better than never.
> > > > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone. Plus you do have the option
> > > > > > > to pay to position so that they’re not 2 rows ahead of you. Personally, I’ve
> > > > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple years, which illustrates its
> > > > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it’s even quieter when riding in front of coach on
> > > > > > > a flight, even if it’s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > > > Oh, I’ve suffered through that before; it’s why I pay to “fly over”.
> > > > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where “very different” is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > > > You should be far enough north to miss most the localized flooding that’s
> > > > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> > > >
> > > > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> > > I know.
> > > > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> > > Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > > > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> > > No, what I'm saying is that your own experience is similar to mine, which is that these
> > > 'screaming baby'flights tend to be rare, as your own volunteered experience was 2023 and
> > > 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of just one per decade.
> > > > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > > > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar City then back home. I offered the
> > > > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> > > Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > > > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > > > That was a major issue when we went to Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> > > The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more than a few days to rebuild.
> > > Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of miles, as we saw earlier
> > > this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming down from central Canada.
> > >
> > > -hh
> > To sum it up we had a good time. Because we drove we were able to be very flexible
> > on diversions to see things we never planned. We planned our stops only a day ahead.
> > The only downsides were the 3 days we spent on long drives and a tire failure that
> > knocked us out of visiting one national park we had intended to see. We stumbled
> > across Little Bighorn National Battlefield, the Truman Presidental library and a stay
> > at the Hotel Nevada in Ely. We spent half an hour waiting for a buffalo traffic jam to
> > clear, visited some great local restaurants, friends that we had not seen since college
> > days, and saw some epic vistas that your airline travel would have flown over.
> Seeing the Rockies from the ground is nice..question is the time constraints factor
> vs other priorities.
> > Five first time National Parks, Custer State Park, two national monuments, and
> > Victoria/Butchart Gardens. OMG, Redwoods, Crater Lake and Lassen Volcanic.
> > Plus, US Highway 50 across Nevada.
> >
> > Having said that, at our age this may be the last time for such a long road trip.
> Yup, it’s grinding hours in the car. Glad to hear that you made it safely home
> despite the tire failure. Currently on a train to from Kanazawa to Kyoto myself;
> someone else is driving & we’re using a Tokyo Wireless hotspot for easy connectivity.
> > Next year we have made reservations with a local tour company to fly to
> > Vancouver and take a train to Banff and Calgary, then fly home. We may go
> > out a few days early, rent a car, and explore a little more of Vancouver Island.
> Sounds like a good plan.
> > Also thinking about a European river cruise and Florida for a few weeks..
> > The annual 2 weeks of skiing is already booked and paid. Maybe not your
> > idea of a good time, but it's ours.
> EU River cruises are pretty nice; we’ve done a few. Trade-off is often no nights
> within the city being visited…found that to be a consideration during the December
> Christmas Market season, as they’re much more fun in the dark with their lights.
> Last year’s trip to Colmar is probably going to be on this year’s Holdiay card.
>
> -hh

On 2023-09-30 16:16, Thomas E. wrote:
>> I've beaten Doug. Period.
>>
>> You're so interested in the stats:
>>
>> YOU chase them down.
> I did, took all of 30 minutes. Sources are SCCBC season champion
> records where available and where none posted Speedhive.

Well first of all. 30 minutes is bullshit.

I know precisely where to look for everything, and I know it couldn't
possibly have been done in 30 minutes.

So your obsession with me continues to grow.

>
> Number of times you finished ahead of Alan McColl, Doug Floer or Dave
> McKay
>
> 2013 - 0
> 2014 - 1 McKay
> 2015 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay
> 2016 - 0
> 2017 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay

My first years ever in racing AND in an overweight car with a less than
stellar engine.

Alan McColl is a Kent engine builder and has been racing for decades
longer than I. Dave McKay and can also do his own engine work. Doug runs
in a car prepared by his brother-in-law's professional race shop, and
during the latter years (2016 & 2017), Doug was racing in an RF94 with a
fresh Loyning engine (look him up; one of the top 2 or 3 Kent engine
builders in North America).

> 2018 - 0

It wasn't until June that my RF98 had finally arrived, and it wasn't
until July that I'd have enough time to get it set up for Mission
(gearing, spring rates, camber, etc.). But even in June, my lap times
were competitive with Dave McKay's, and in July they were competitive
with Doug's, where I out-qualified him for race 1.

And I finished ahead of Alan McColl at the BCHMR "Hagerty Formula
Festival" race on August 18, 2023

And in September, I was faster than Doug and Dav in practice AND
qualifying 1...AND finished ahead of Dave McKay in race 1

That was some careful checking you did, wasn't it, Liarboy?

> 2019 - 4 McKay

Let's come back to this.

> 2020 - 0, but there were only 3 races and none for Alan, Doug and Dave

So why even mention it? Oh, right! You're a lying little shit.

> 2021 - 0

And how many races did Alan, Doug, and Dave run?

> 2022 - 0 but one more race to go
>
> Only 9 times out of all the races you have run against these 3 you
> finished ahead. 6 of the 9 were ahead of McKay, the slowest of the
> top 3. Not a great record at all.
>
> Face it, you are not even in the same league as Alan, Doug and Dave.

So you admit that I finish ahead of Dave with some regularity but
somehow I'm "not in the same league"?

LOL

Let's look at 2019 in depth.

Here's my record, nicely presented by driverdb.com:

RACES 18

WINS 5

PODIUMS 15

POLES 11 (that's qualified first for you, Liarboy)

FASTEST LAPS 12 (that's race laps)

<https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>

Sadly, they don't have Dave's data, but I'll look it up for you.

Races 18

Wins 10

Podiums 17

Poles 2

Fastest laps 3

Sure, Dave won more races, but some of that comes down to aggression,
and Dave is a very aggressive driver, and he has had more on-track
contact than I have by far, but he can afford to have...

....because he does his own repairs in his own home racing car garage.

Now certainly, Dave won more races than I did and was worthy champion,
but...

....I'm "out of his league". Give your head a shake, Liarboy.

:-)

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-30 16:16, Thomas E. wrote:
> >> I've beaten Doug. Period.
> >>
> >> You're so interested in the stats:
> >>
> >> YOU chase them down.
> > I did, took all of 30 minutes. Sources are SCCBC season champion
> > records where available and where none posted Speedhive.
> Well first of all. 30 minutes is bullshit.
>
> I know precisely where to look for everything, and I know it couldn't
> possibly have been done in 30 minutes.
>
> So your obsession with me continues to grow.
> >
> > Number of times you finished ahead of Alan McColl, Doug Floer or Dave
> > McKay
> >
> > 2013 - 0
> > 2014 - 1 McKay
> > 2015 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay
> > 2016 - 0
> > 2017 - 1 Floer and 1 McKay
> My first years ever in racing AND in an overweight car with a less than
> stellar engine.
>
> Alan McColl is a Kent engine builder and has been racing for decades
> longer than I. Dave McKay and can also do his own engine work. Doug runs
> in a car prepared by his brother-in-law's professional race shop, and
> during the latter years (2016 & 2017), Doug was racing in an RF94 with a
> fresh Loyning engine (look him up; one of the top 2 or 3 Kent engine
> builders in North America).
>
>
> > 2018 - 0
>
> It wasn't until June that my RF98 had finally arrived, and it wasn't
> until July that I'd have enough time to get it set up for Mission
> (gearing, spring rates, camber, etc.). But even in June, my lap times
> were competitive with Dave McKay's, and in July they were competitive
> with Doug's, where I out-qualified him for race 1.
>
> And I finished ahead of Alan McColl at the BCHMR "Hagerty Formula
> Festival" race on August 18, 2023
>
> And in September, I was faster than Doug and Dav in practice AND
> qualifying 1...AND finished ahead of Dave McKay in race 1
>
> That was some careful checking you did, wasn't it, Liarboy?
>
>
> > 2019 - 4 McKay
>
> Let's come back to this.
> > 2020 - 0, but there were only 3 races and none for Alan, Doug and Dave
> So why even mention it? Oh, right! You're a lying little shit.
>
> > 2021 - 0
>
> And how many races did Alan, Doug, and Dave run?
> > 2022 - 0 but one more race to go
> >
> > Only 9 times out of all the races you have run against these 3 you
> > finished ahead. 6 of the 9 were ahead of McKay, the slowest of the
> > top 3. Not a great record at all.
> >
> > Face it, you are not even in the same league as Alan, Doug and Dave.
> So you admit that I finish ahead of Dave with some regularity but
> somehow I'm "not in the same league"?
>
> LOL
>
> Let's look at 2019 in depth.
>
> Here's my record, nicely presented by driverdb.com:
>
> RACES 18
>
> WINS 5
>
> PODIUMS 15
>
> POLES 11 (that's qualified first for you, Liarboy)
>
> FASTEST LAPS 12 (that's race laps)
>
> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>
> Sadly, they don't have Dave's data, but I'll look it up for you.
>
> Races 18
>
> Wins 10
>
> Podiums 17
>
> Poles 2
>
> Fastest laps 3
>
> Sure, Dave won more races, but some of that comes down to aggression,
> and Dave is a very aggressive driver, and he has had more on-track
> contact than I have by far, but he can afford to have...
>
> ...because he does his own repairs in his own home racing car garage.
>
> Now certainly, Dave won more races than I did and was worthy champion,
> but...
>
> ...I'm "out of his league". Give your head a shake, Liarboy.
>
> :-)

30 minutes is correct. All but 3 years are quickly referenced via the SBBC championship results. Using Speedhive is also very quick also if you know how. Apparently you don't know how.

You admit it yourself, Dave is a more aggressive driver than yourself. He places ahead of you WELL over 50% of the time. He is the better driver. He is also apparently a pretty good mechanic too.
This is a VERY interesting claim: "And I finished ahead of Alan McColl at the BCHMR "Hagerty Formula Festival" race on August 18, 2023 ." Interesting because it's full of lies and half truths.

First, I only looked at the SCCBC races as these are similar in classification and competition. The BCHMR races are only once a year and a different format. But, let's take a detailed look.

Anyway, I thought you were not driving at all this year! Yet you say you are. But wait, I checked (https://www.bchmr.ca/) and the 2023 event was in May, not August, and you were not entered. You entered last year but Alan McColl did not.

2022, no Alan McColl
2021-2020 - races cancelled
2019, no Alan McColl

2018, August 18/19 - Both of you entered, so is this the correct year? You lied to try and fool me with 2023? If so, it did not work

August 18 Race 1 - McColl DNS, you finished behind Floer
August 18 Race 2 - McColl DNS, Floer DNF
August 18 Race 3 - McColl DNS, Floer DNS
August 19 Race 4 - McColl finished 2nd, Baker 3rd (https://beta.speedhive.com/sessions/5062535#byclass), Floer DNF
August 19 FF/EX - You finished behind Floer, Dobbie and McKay but ahead of McColl. Really? You count your poor showing as better than McColl's poor showing?

So you apparently lied several times. You did not race in the 2023 BCHMR. In 2018 the race you cite by name was on August 19, not 18, you finished ahead of Alan McColl but behind 3 others. McColl had a bad weekend, yours was nothing to brag about. (https://beta.speedhive.com/sessions/5062536#byclass)

Different year? Let's check.

August 7-8 2017 - You finished ahead of Floer in Race 4, McColl dropped out on lap 2 or 3. There was apparently a bad race #4 accident that took out several cars and may have affected the results. In the other 4 races you failed to finish ahead of Floer or McColl. In race 5 McColl and several others were DNS. (https://www.bchmr.ca/)

August 20, 2016 - You were not entered.

PS - this took about an hour.

I note you failed to respond to my financial status inquiry. Are you inferring that finances prevent you from doing better on the track? That I could believe given what I have seen is probably just the public facing piece of a large iceberg lurking below the waterline.

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:00:09 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>
> PS - this took about an hour.

Translation: Yup, Pwned.

> I note you failed to respond to my financial status inquiry. Are you inferring that
> finances prevent you from doing better on the track? That I could believe given
> what I have seen is probably just the public facing piece of a large iceberg lurking
> below the waterline.

That’s a pretty dubious angle, because ‘finances’ is such a broad lane. Could be as
simple as one not feeling up to a certain spending level for just a hobby. Or it reflect
a change in investment priorities due to a change in retirement planning (eg earlier),
or interest in Real Estate changes, which are both simple examples which don’t have
current income/job security as factors, which is what you’re trying to imply.

Of course, it’s also ironic that you yourself just went “cheap” by trying a driving vacation,
despite how you’ve been advised that your own claimed financials allowed for higher
discretionary spending than you’ve been practicing. Thus, one could also ‘easily believe’
that your own personal financial challenges could be why you happened to have chosen
that lens… /s

-hh

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:00:09 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >
> > PS - this took about an hour.
> Translation: Yup, Pwned.
> > I note you failed to respond to my financial status inquiry. Are you inferring that
> > finances prevent you from doing better on the track? That I could believe given
> > what I have seen is probably just the public facing piece of a large iceberg lurking
> > below the waterline.
> That’s a pretty dubious angle, because ‘finances’ is such a broad lane. Could be as
> simple as one not feeling up to a certain spending level for just a hobby.. Or it reflect
> a change in investment priorities due to a change in retirement planning (eg earlier),
> or interest in Real Estate changes, which are both simple examples which don’t have
> current income/job security as factors, which is what you’re trying to imply.
>
> Of course, it’s also ironic that you yourself just went “cheap” by trying a driving vacation,
> despite how you’ve been advised that your own claimed financials allowed for higher
> discretionary spending than you’ve been practicing. Thus, one could also ‘easily believe’
> that your own personal financial challenges could be why you happened to have chosen
> that lens… /s
>
> -hh

I promised Alan that I would not reveal what I found. You will just have to believe me, it's very serious. And there are other clues. He took a job. He never seems to travel. His racing activity has become very spotty. He lives in a condo half the size of our 1100 square foot first floor. He recently posted a Windows Control Panel complaint that I had to show him how to work around.
LOL. We drove more for the experience than cost considerations.

On to my finances...

FYI, we have booked a rail excursion Vancouver-Calgary next year, $12k, plus a 2+ week Paris-Zurich excursion, all with friends. We will start the Europe trip with a self-booked stay in Paris in a 4-star hotel (Pullman Montparnasse), then on to Luxembourg, a Viking cruise, and winding up with a few days in Zurich. Likely a bit over $12k all-in, including airfare.

My main personal financial challenge this summer has been estate planning, including paperwork for funding revised trusts. And, my investment advisor changed firms and his staff made an error in the 401k transfer that is taking a while to fix. My retirement income is now about $20k a month and net worth north of $3 million. Hopefully the markets are going to get over higher rates because most of that $3 million is in stocks.

Having said that, recent expenses for estate planning, unplanned dental issues, and 2024 upfront travel payments have stretched the cash flow a bit. :)

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:33:08 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:00:09 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >
> > > PS - this took about an hour.
> > Translation: Yup, Pwned.
> > > I note you failed to respond to my financial status inquiry. Are you inferring that
> > > finances prevent you from doing better on the track? That I could believe given
> > > what I have seen is probably just the public facing piece of a large iceberg lurking
> > > below the waterline.
> > That’s a pretty dubious angle, because ‘finances’ is such a broad lane. Could be as
> > simple as one not feeling up to a certain spending level for just a hobby. Or it reflect
> > a change in investment priorities due to a change in retirement planning (eg earlier),
> > or interest in Real Estate changes, which are both simple examples which don’t have
> > current income/job security as factors, which is what you’re trying to imply.
> >
> > Of course, it’s also ironic that you yourself just went “cheap” by trying a driving vacation,
> > despite how you’ve been advised that your own claimed financials allowed for higher
> > discretionary spending than you’ve been practicing. Thus, one could also ‘easily believe’
> > that your own personal financial challenges could be why you happened to have chosen
> > that lens… /s
> >
>
> I promised Alan that I would not reveal what I found.

Done so publicly, instead of privately. Not particularly genteel.

> He took a job.

So what? Didn't you also have a job at that age?

> He never seems to travel.

That you know of. Besides, there's other metrics to happiness/success/etc than merely travel.

> His racing activity has become very spotty.

Which has already been addressed.

> He lives in a condo half the size of our 1100 square foot first floor.

Yet still worth how much more on the open market?

> He recently posted a Windows Control Panel complaint that I had to show him how to work around.

As opposed to what? Do you really believe that anyone in IT today can operate without having
some level of proficiency in Microsoft products?

> LOL. We drove more for the experience than cost considerations.

But when I mentioned flying alternatives, didn't you complain about their costs?

> On to my finances...
>
> FYI, we have booked a rail excursion Vancouver-Calgary next year, $12k, plus a 2+ week
> Paris-Zurich excursion, all with friends. We will start the Europe trip with a self-booked
> stay in Paris in a 4-star hotel (Pullman Montparnasse), then on to Luxembourg, a Viking
> cruise, and winding up with a few days in Zurich. Likely a bit over $12k all-in, including airfare.

So just $25K in total. Even if we include your winter ski trip, its still under the $30K/yr that I had
eyeballed a half decade ago as a budget .. and age-wise, your "Go Go" travel years are continuing
to draw to a close.

For Paris, I've been to the 14ème where the Pullman Montparnasse is; its IMO not really all that
interesting of a neighborhood unless you're visiting Montparnasse Cemetery. Expect lots of trips
on the Metro, especially if you prefer local cuisine over large sanitized Hotels.
> My main personal financial challenge this summer has been estate planning, including paperwork
> for funding revised trusts. And, my investment advisor changed firms and his staff made an error
> in the 401k transfer that is taking a while to fix. My retirement income is now about $20k a month

With how much of that likely being due to being RMDs? 33%? More?

> and net worth north of $3 million. Hopefully the markets are going to get over higher rates because
> most of that $3 million is in stocks.
>
> Having said that, recent expenses for estate planning, unplanned dental issues, and 2024 upfront
> travel payments have stretched the cash flow a bit. :)

Ironic that you were jabbing me on noting that dental care is expensive just a few months ago.

-hh

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 2:19:40 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:33:08 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:00:09 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > PS - this took about an hour.
> > > Translation: Yup, Pwned.
> > > > I note you failed to respond to my financial status inquiry. Are you inferring that
> > > > finances prevent you from doing better on the track? That I could believe given
> > > > what I have seen is probably just the public facing piece of a large iceberg lurking
> > > > below the waterline.
> > > That’s a pretty dubious angle, because ‘finances’ is such a broad lane. Could be as
> > > simple as one not feeling up to a certain spending level for just a hobby. Or it reflect
> > > a change in investment priorities due to a change in retirement planning (eg earlier),
> > > or interest in Real Estate changes, which are both simple examples which don’t have
> > > current income/job security as factors, which is what you’re trying to imply.
> > >
> > > Of course, it’s also ironic that you yourself just went “cheap” by trying a driving vacation,
> > > despite how you’ve been advised that your own claimed financials allowed for higher
> > > discretionary spending than you’ve been practicing. Thus, one could also ‘easily believe’
> > > that your own personal financial challenges could be why you happened to have chosen
> > > that lens… /s
> > >
> >
> > I promised Alan that I would not reveal what I found.
> Done so publicly, instead of privately. Not particularly genteel.
>
> > He took a job.
>
> So what? Didn't you also have a job at that age?
> > He never seems to travel.
> That you know of. Besides, there's other metrics to happiness/success/etc than merely travel.
> > His racing activity has become very spotty.
> Which has already been addressed.
> > He lives in a condo half the size of our 1100 square foot first floor.
> Yet still worth how much more on the open market?
> > He recently posted a Windows Control Panel complaint that I had to show him how to work around.
> As opposed to what? Do you really believe that anyone in IT today can operate without having
> some level of proficiency in Microsoft products?
> > LOL. We drove more for the experience than cost considerations.
> But when I mentioned flying alternatives, didn't you complain about their costs?
> > On to my finances...
> >
> > FYI, we have booked a rail excursion Vancouver-Calgary next year, $12k, plus a 2+ week
> > Paris-Zurich excursion, all with friends. We will start the Europe trip with a self-booked
> > stay in Paris in a 4-star hotel (Pullman Montparnasse), then on to Luxembourg, a Viking
> > cruise, and winding up with a few days in Zurich. Likely a bit over $12k all-in, including airfare.
> So just $25K in total. Even if we include your winter ski trip, its still under the $30K/yr that I had
> eyeballed a half decade ago as a budget .. and age-wise, your "Go Go" travel years are continuing
> to draw to a close.
>
> For Paris, I've been to the 14ème where the Pullman Montparnasse is; its IMO not really all that
> interesting of a neighborhood unless you're visiting Montparnasse Cemetery. Expect lots of trips
> on the Metro, especially if you prefer local cuisine over large sanitized Hotels.
> > My main personal financial challenge this summer has been estate planning, including paperwork
> > for funding revised trusts. And, my investment advisor changed firms and his staff made an error
> > in the 401k transfer that is taking a while to fix. My retirement income is now about $20k a month
> With how much of that likely being due to being RMDs? 33%? More?
> > and net worth north of $3 million. Hopefully the markets are going to get over higher rates because
> > most of that $3 million is in stocks.
> >
> > Having said that, recent expenses for estate planning, unplanned dental issues, and 2024 upfront
> > travel payments have stretched the cash flow a bit. :)
> Ironic that you were jabbing me on noting that dental care is expensive just a few months ago.
>
> -hh

His condo is worth about as much as my house. But housing prices are relative to the local market. If he sells it then what? Where does he go? The States? Latin America? If he stays in Vancouver then what?

Yes, I said flying was too expensive. Given our preferences it would have needed to be less expensive.

Your $30k recommendation has no value to us. We travel according to our preferences, not yours. The listed trips are not inclusive, just 2024 international highlights. We will also have several DIY air trips to see friends and family. All-in the ski trip is about $6k. We went to West Baden yesterday for a behind-the-scenes hotel tour (https://www.frenchlick.com/west-baden-springs-hotel.htm). Flew us to Peoria to see friends a week ago. Flying ourselves to Atlanta again for a family Christmas. Probably going to Florida in January. Rockies in Feb/Mar. After that maybe more. Never know what opportunities might present.

We do plan to use the Metro. I know the system and the sites they want to see. It's their first Paris trip so we will be hitting the highlights and bistros. No advice required from you. Ever dined at L'Ilot Vache, Ile de la Cite? Hoping Notre Dame is open by August.

One reason for that hotel is Viking uses it for most of their Paris-origin cruises so we don't have to change hotels. If they go elsewhere our reservations have no cancel penalty up to the day before. We can easily change to a different hotel. We had wanted to go a bit earlier but then discovered our first choice was the last day of the Olympics. Talk about some expensive hotels! Double or more the next week. A large 3 BR condo near the Opera House $40,000 per week!?

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 2:19:40 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:33:08 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:00:09 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > PS - this took about an hour.
> > > Translation: Yup, Pwned.
> > > > I note you failed to respond to my financial status inquiry. Are you inferring that
> > > > finances prevent you from doing better on the track? That I could believe given
> > > > what I have seen is probably just the public facing piece of a large iceberg lurking
> > > > below the waterline.
> > > That’s a pretty dubious angle, because ‘finances’ is such a broad lane. Could be as
> > > simple as one not feeling up to a certain spending level for just a hobby. Or it reflect
> > > a change in investment priorities due to a change in retirement planning (eg earlier),
> > > or interest in Real Estate changes, which are both simple examples which don’t have
> > > current income/job security as factors, which is what you’re trying to imply.
> > >
> > > Of course, it’s also ironic that you yourself just went “cheap” by trying a driving vacation,
> > > despite how you’ve been advised that your own claimed financials allowed for higher
> > > discretionary spending than you’ve been practicing. Thus, one could also ‘easily believe’
> > > that your own personal financial challenges could be why you happened to have chosen
> > > that lens… /s
> > >
> >
> > I promised Alan that I would not reveal what I found.
> Done so publicly, instead of privately. Not particularly genteel.
>
> > He took a job.
>
> So what? Didn't you also have a job at that age?
> > He never seems to travel.
> That you know of. Besides, there's other metrics to happiness/success/etc than merely travel.
> > His racing activity has become very spotty.
> Which has already been addressed.
> > He lives in a condo half the size of our 1100 square foot first floor.
> Yet still worth how much more on the open market?
> > He recently posted a Windows Control Panel complaint that I had to show him how to work around.
> As opposed to what? Do you really believe that anyone in IT today can operate without having
> some level of proficiency in Microsoft products?
> > LOL. We drove more for the experience than cost considerations.
> But when I mentioned flying alternatives, didn't you complain about their costs?
> > On to my finances...
> >
> > FYI, we have booked a rail excursion Vancouver-Calgary next year, $12k, plus a 2+ week
> > Paris-Zurich excursion, all with friends. We will start the Europe trip with a self-booked
> > stay in Paris in a 4-star hotel (Pullman Montparnasse), then on to Luxembourg, a Viking
> > cruise, and winding up with a few days in Zurich. Likely a bit over $12k all-in, including airfare.
> So just $25K in total. Even if we include your winter ski trip, its still under the $30K/yr that I had
> eyeballed a half decade ago as a budget .. and age-wise, your "Go Go" travel years are continuing
> to draw to a close.
>
> For Paris, I've been to the 14ème where the Pullman Montparnasse is; its IMO not really all that
> interesting of a neighborhood unless you're visiting Montparnasse Cemetery. Expect lots of trips
> on the Metro, especially if you prefer local cuisine over large sanitized Hotels.
> > My main personal financial challenge this summer has been estate planning, including paperwork
> > for funding revised trusts. And, my investment advisor changed firms and his staff made an error
> > in the 401k transfer that is taking a while to fix. My retirement income is now about $20k a month
> With how much of that likely being due to being RMDs? 33%? More?
> > and net worth north of $3 million. Hopefully the markets are going to get over higher rates because
> > most of that $3 million is in stocks.
> >
> > Having said that, recent expenses for estate planning, unplanned dental issues, and 2024 upfront
> > travel payments have stretched the cash flow a bit. :)
> Ironic that you were jabbing me on noting that dental care is expensive just a few months ago.
>
> -hh

I forgot. Alan taking a job in 2018 tells you that his consulting business was not doing well. At Alan's age (born about 1957 so late 60's) I had been retired from my last job for about 12 years and had a lucrative consulting business going. I retired full time at 75. Alan still working at 68 is another indication that either he loves working for a company or simply needs the money. Given what I know the latter is the most likely.