nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

>> I don�t have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I don�t have a Mac so I
>> guess it�s impossible otherwise.
>
> your choice, but that's how to downgrade. you might be able to go to an
> apple store and 'borrow' a mac there.

The reason iOS can't do thousands of useful things is... the walled garden.

The same ever-present walled garden Alan Browne swears doesn't exist.

On 9/19/23 21:58, Wally J wrote:
> The reason iOS can't do thousands of useful things is... the walled garden.
>
> The same ever-present walled garden Alan Browne swears doesn't exist.

Yeah, it feels like you're renting the device sometimes..
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 9/19/23 21:58, Wally J wrote:
>> The reason iOS can't do thousands of useful things is... the walled garden.
>>
>> The same ever-present walled garden Alan Browne swears doesn't exist.
>
> Yeah, it feels like you're renting the device sometimes..

I really don't understand this attitude.

On 2023-09-21 02:10, Chris wrote:

> I really don't understand this attitude.

Keeping the myth of the Apple walled garden alive is a powerful tool
Android fanbois use with the weak minded.

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Alan Browne wrote:

>On 2023-09-21 02:10, Chris wrote:
>
>>I really don't understand this attitude.
>
>Keeping the myth of the Apple walled garden alive is a powerful tool
>Android fanbois use with the weak minded.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3682761/apple-looks-poised-to-open-its-walled-garden-in-2023.html

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On 9/19/23 21:58, Wally J wrote:
> The reason iOS can't do thousands of useful things is... the walled garden.
>
> The same ever-present walled garden Alan Browne swears doesn't exist.

Yeah, it feels like you're renting the device sometimes..
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On Sep 27, 2023, RabidPedagog wrote
(in article <xC3RM.261928$2ph4.111275@fx14.iad>):
> I enjoyed my Z10 for as long as I had it. It tried to give its users an
> Apple-like experience but failed. Security was admittedly spectacular
> though, as was the fact that users could easily change the battery or
> expand storage. In fact, I was able to get a double-size battery to
> extend the life of the thing since it wasn't too power efficient.
BB10 also had spectacular multitasking functionality. In fact, many of the
multitasking gestures on iOS are the same as on BB10.

On Sep 27, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <uf2gmb$2mtho$1@paganini.bofh.team>):
> For the past three years iOS has had double& triple the zero-day bugs,
> but we're talking here about active exploits in the wild, right? Of which most are minor. If they were major bugs then we would have a jailbreak, which we
don't. A major bug is one that grants root access.

> Just look at the astoundingly huge number of iOS *active exploits*!
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> Ah yes NVD/CVE, well known for not giving ridiculously high scores to minor bugs
<https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2023/08/26/cve-2020-19909-is-everything-that-is-
wrong-with-cves/>
(An already fixed bug in cURL causes a retry-delay of around 2^64/1000 to
wait a few seconds instead of the expected time until the heat death of the
universe. This "bug" is apparently worthy of a 9.8 rating for some reason)

> The reason is partly because Apple summarily drops full patch support the
> instant the next release of iOS or macOS ships. Apple support sucks. This is false. Apple supports iOS 15, 16, 17 and macOS 11, 12, 13, and 14. Having only
two years of support sounds like it sucks (it does) but that is what most
companies do now. Microsoft only supported Windows 10 21H2 for two years.
Rapid (but not rolling) release is now seen as a better marketing strategy
than releasing a new OS every 3-6 years like Microsoft and then supporting it
for 10 years (to be fair to Microsoft, they will continue to support Windows
10 until2025, a total of 11 years)
With the SaaS business model, not anymore. Microsoft (didn't) sell hardware
so the business model was making sure Windows runs on literally any computer.
Which is why Windows 10 will "run" on a Pentium 4. Apple sells hardware on
the other hand and will support their computers with updates for 8 years. An
issue is that Apple doesn't have a vested interest in ensuring older devices
can run the latest software, but 8 years is pretty good. iPhones have a
shorter support window of 6 years. In my experience, Android phones don't get
major support for 6 years and it is up to the manufacturer and for some
reason your carrier to put out updates. At least you aren't forced to pay for
security updates!

> It's important to note that no other operating system vendor of a common
> consumer operating system has a support policy that atrocious. Only Apple!
Oracle and RedHat. ArcaOS but nobody has heard of that. $200 for a year of
updates.

> Any iPhone that can't install iOS 17 is likely already filled with exploits
> and definitely it will never be patched with all Apple's known patches. Fear mongering over this sentence:
> Note: Because of dependency on architecture and system changes to any current version of Apple operating systems (for example, macOS 13, iOS 16 and so on),
not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions (for
example, macOS 12, iOS 15 and so on).
However Apple does appear to fixing security issues in previous versions
based on CVE details.

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On 2023-09-30, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> I never said Apple blamed anyone.
>
> Ah, but you did.

No, I did not.

*You* did, though. And the reason you are repeating this obvious lie is
because you are *desperate* to try to deflect from the FACT that you
falsely claimed the iPhone 15 hardware is defective. You're a clown.

> For example, you said that Apple blamed "Instagram" (among many others).

Liar. I never said that. You did, though.

>> You said that, though.
>
> No. You said it.

My god, you are such a weak liar.

I'm actually embarrassed for you.

[the rest of your outright lies rightfully ignored]

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

> Apple never wrote "long-term performance reduction".

Ah, but they did. I already cited those exact words, Jolly Roger.
However, I'll note that your _first_ response to all facts about Apple
products that you hate - is - to deny that any facts can exist.

So that's step 1 of your 7-step process of denying all Apple facts.
(I know what you'll do in step 2 since I know you better than you do.)

> Those are *your*
> words, and you are the true weasel here.

Normally you use the insulting as your last step, Jolly Roger.
So you skipped six steps in your desperation to deny all facts about Apple
products.