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by: anonymous - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:45 UTC

https://netzpolitik.org/2017/secret-documents-reveal-german-foreign-spy-agency-bnd-attacks-the-anonymity-network-tor-and-advises-not-to-use-it/

While this would not be new for tor hidden services, which are clearly not anonymous, and never have been, it would be really bad news if a large number of tor users could be unmasked while doing normal browsing with TBB. However, the attacks described are mentioned already in the tor design papers and work on any low latency network. So it is unclear what the actual fallout is in this case (could be even black propaganda to scare people away from using tor).
What was surprising for me browsing through this info is the low number of estimated tor users: only 200.000, while I was assuming several million.
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by: Retro Guy - Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:09 UTC

On 09/15/2017 06:45 AM, anonymous wrote:
> https://netzpolitik.org/2017/secret-documents-reveal-german-foreign-spy-agency-bnd-attacks-the-anonymity-network-tor-and-advises-not-to-use-it/
>
>
> While this would not be new for tor hidden services, which are clearly
> not anonymous, and never have been, it would be really bad news if a
> large number of tor users could be unmasked while doing normal browsing
> with TBB. However, the attacks described are mentioned already in the
> tor design papers and work on any low latency network. So it is unclear
> what the actual fallout is in this case (could be even black propaganda
> to scare people away from using tor).
> What was surprising for me browsing through this info is the low number
> of estimated tor users: only 200.000, while I was assuming several
> million. Posted by:anonymous <anonymous@def.i2p>

I'm seeing stuff like this:

https://darkwebnews.com/dark-web/tor-facebook-users/
"the number of Facebook users who utilize the Tor browser to access
their accounts via the Dark Web is currently at 1 million per month."

This site: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html
shows over 2,000,000 tor users.

What doesn't surprise me is this:
"the NSA monitors all internet users who visit the Tor website, use the
Tor software, or simply search for Tor"

That has to be pretty boring as, contrary to publicly (created) opinion,
most Tor users are not terrorists or scary criminals.

The statement, which I have heard people say to me many times, "I'm not
doing anything wrong, so I don't care if they're watching me," I find
quite sad.

Retro Guy

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Leaked documents from German secret service BND claim tor is badly compromised	anonymous
Leaked documents from German secret service BND claim tor isbadly compromised	Retro Guy