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 by: Daniel65 - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:09 UTC

O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who is
The Valeyard?"

For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a mysterious
character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom Baker) fell off a
Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated into Doctor 5 (Peter
Davison). Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere around the
transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final') incarnation but
that has always seemed strange to me.

(It has always worried/intrigued me how somebody could come from BETWEEN
two 'iterations' of The Doctor!!)

Any way, now that we *KNOW* that 'The Doctor' is a lot older than we
thought and so MUST have undergone a hell of a lot more than the
supposed 12 regenerations we thought was the limit, how about ............

The Timeless Child HAS existed since the Year Dot. Then Whats-Her-Name
got hold of The Timeless Child, forcing untold regenerations on The
Timeless Child, then during one of these regenerations, The Timeless
Child became two entities, just like we've/you've seen recently where
DoctorDavid regenerated into DoctorDavid and DoctorNcuti.

So The Timeless Child became The Timeless Child PLUS another Time Lord.

Theory
This 'splitting regenerations' sequence has occurred again and again,
but NOT every time, through out time, until there were a (limited)
number of 'normalish' Time Lords (who could only regenerate Twelve Times
before MERGING back into The Timeless Child like the Valeyard did. Plus
The Timeless Child. So this give us a limited population of Normalish
Time Lords/Ladies who only have twelve regenerations!!

Meanwhile, The Timeless Child just goes ON ... and ON .... and ON ... ad
infinitum!!

Quote
ad infinitum /ăd ĭn″fə-nī′təm/
adverb & adjective

To infinity; having no end.

adverb

Endlessly; for ever; neverendingly. To infinity; without or
seemingly without limit.
End Quote

The post in reply stated of the Valeyard ....

Quote
Actually, the Valeyard is the accumulation of all that is evil in the
Doctor and occurs somewhere between his 12th and final regeneration.
Sort of like all the suppressed evils of the Doc coming to life at once.
End Quote

What do you think??
--
Daniel

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:57 UTC

In article <uu3mm8$3ihot$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
>archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who is
>The Valeyard?"
>
>For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a mysterious
>character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom Baker) fell off a
>Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated into Doctor 5 (Peter
>Davison). Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere around the
>transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final') incarnation but
>that has always seemed strange to me.
>
>(It has always worried/intrigued me how somebody could come from BETWEEN
>two 'iterations' of The Doctor!!)
>
>Any way, now that we *KNOW* that 'The Doctor' is a lot older than we
>thought and so MUST have undergone a hell of a lot more than the
>supposed 12 regenerations we thought was the limit, how about ............
>
>The Timeless Child HAS existed since the Year Dot. Then Whats-Her-Name
>got hold of The Timeless Child, forcing untold regenerations on The
>Timeless Child, then during one of these regenerations, The Timeless
>Child became two entities, just like we've/you've seen recently where
>DoctorDavid regenerated into DoctorDavid and DoctorNcuti.
>
>So The Timeless Child became The Timeless Child PLUS another Time Lord.
>
>Theory
>This 'splitting regenerations' sequence has occurred again and again,
>but NOT every time, through out time, until there were a (limited)
>number of 'normalish' Time Lords (who could only regenerate Twelve Times
>before MERGING back into The Timeless Child like the Valeyard did. Plus
>The Timeless Child. So this give us a limited population of Normalish
>Time Lords/Ladies who only have twelve regenerations!!
>
>Meanwhile, The Timeless Child just goes ON ... and ON .... and ON ... ad
>infinitum!!
>
>Quote
>ad infinitum /ăd ĭn″fə-nī′təm/
>adverb & adjective
>
> To infinity; having no end.
>
>adverb
>
> Endlessly; for ever; neverendingly. To infinity; without or
>seemingly without limit.
>End Quote
>
>The post in reply stated of the Valeyard ....
>
>Quote
>Actually, the Valeyard is the accumulation of all that is evil in the
>Doctor and occurs somewhere between his 12th and final regeneration.
>Sort of like all the suppressed evils of the Doc coming to life at once.
>End Quote
>
>What do you think??
>--
>Daniel

Everything contradicts each other!
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 by: Daniel65 - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:35 UTC

Daniel65 wrote on 28/3/24 11:09 pm:
> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
> archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who
> is The Valeyard?"
>
> For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a mysterious
> character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom Baker) fell
> off a Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated into Doctor 5
> (Peter Davison). Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere
> around the transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final')
> incarnation but that has always seemed strange to me.
>
> (It has always worried/intrigued me how somebody could come from
> BETWEEN two 'iterations' of The Doctor!!)
>
> Any way, now that we *KNOW* that 'The Doctor' is a lot older than we
> thought and so MUST have undergone a hell of a lot more than the
> supposed 12 regenerations we thought was the limit, how about
> ............
>
> The Timeless Child HAS existed since the Year Dot. Then
> Whats-Her-Name got hold of The Timeless Child, forcing untold
> regenerations on The Timeless Child, then during one of these
> regenerations, The Timeless Child became two entities, just like
> we've/you've seen recently where DoctorDavid regenerated into
> DoctorDavid and DoctorNcuti.
>
> So The Timeless Child became The Timeless Child PLUS another Time
> Lord.
>
> Theory This 'splitting regenerations' sequence has occurred again
> and again, but NOT every time, through out time, until there were a
> (limited) number of 'normalish' Time Lords (who could only
> regenerate Twelve Times before MERGING back into The Timeless Child
> like the Valeyard did.

Umm! Do I mean 'The Valeyard'?? Or 'The Watcher'?? Or ....??

> Plus The Timeless Child. So this give us a limited population of
> Normalish Time Lords/Ladies who only have twelve regenerations!!
>
> Meanwhile, The Timeless Child just goes ON ... and ON .... and ON
> ... ad infinitum!!
>
> Quote ad infinitum /ăd ĭn″fə-nī′təm/ adverb & adjective
>
> To infinity; having no end.
>
> adverb
>
> Endlessly; for ever; neverendingly. To infinity; without or
> seemingly without limit. End Quote
>
> The post in reply stated of the Valeyard ....
>
> Quote
> Actually, the Valeyard is the accumulation of all that is evil in the
> Doctor and occurs somewhere between his 12th and final regeneration.
> Sort of like all the suppressed evils of the Doc coming to life at
> once.
> End Quote
>
> What do you think??

--
Daniel

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 by: Blueshirt - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 17:58 UTC

Daniel65 wrote:

> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the
> 'rec.arts.drwho' archives, I've come across a thread (just two
> posts) entitled "Who is The Valeyard?"
>
> [Snip]
>
> The post in reply stated of the Valeyard ....
>
> Quote
> Actually, the Valeyard is the accumulation of all that is evil
> in the Doctor and occurs somewhere between his 12th and final
> regeneration. Sort of like all the suppressed evils of the Doc
> coming to life at once. End Quote
>
> What do you think??

I never liked the idea of The Valeyard, but Michael Jayston was
very good in the role. He would have made a good Doctor.

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 by: solar penguin - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:32 UTC

Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
> archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who is
> The Valeyard?"
>
> For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a mysterious
> character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom Baker) fell off a
> Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated into Doctor 5 (Peter
> Davison).

No, that’s the Watcher. The Valeyard was a villain from the
Sixth Doctor’s era.

> Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere around the
> transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final') incarnation but
> that has always seemed strange to me.

That’s the Valeyard. A distillation of the Doctor’s evil side, created
between his 12th and final incarnation . The dialogue specifically
says ‘final’ not ‘13th’ so there’s a little bit of wriggle room for
extra regenerations.

It’s implied that he might’ve been created by evil Time Lords
on the High Council of Gallifrey (maybe using a process similar
to what you suggested, or maybe from the Doctor’s mindprint in
the Matrix.)

We just don’t know.

--
solar penguin

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:52 UTC

In article <uu3rm4$3jn2d$2@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Daniel65 wrote on 28/3/24 11:09 pm:
>> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
>> archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who
>> is The Valeyard?"
>>
>> For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a mysterious
>> character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom Baker) fell
>> off a Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated into Doctor 5
>> (Peter Davison). Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere
>> around the transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final')
>> incarnation but that has always seemed strange to me.
>>
>> (It has always worried/intrigued me how somebody could come from
>> BETWEEN two 'iterations' of The Doctor!!)
>>
>> Any way, now that we *KNOW* that 'The Doctor' is a lot older than we
>> thought and so MUST have undergone a hell of a lot more than the
>> supposed 12 regenerations we thought was the limit, how about
>> ............
>>
>> The Timeless Child HAS existed since the Year Dot. Then
>> Whats-Her-Name got hold of The Timeless Child, forcing untold
>> regenerations on The Timeless Child, then during one of these
>> regenerations, The Timeless Child became two entities, just like
>> we've/you've seen recently where DoctorDavid regenerated into
>> DoctorDavid and DoctorNcuti.
>>
>> So The Timeless Child became The Timeless Child PLUS another Time
>> Lord.
>>
>> Theory This 'splitting regenerations' sequence has occurred again
>> and again, but NOT every time, through out time, until there were a
>> (limited) number of 'normalish' Time Lords (who could only
>> regenerate Twelve Times before MERGING back into The Timeless Child
>> like the Valeyard did.
>
>Umm! Do I mean 'The Valeyard'?? Or 'The Watcher'?? Or ....??
>
>> Plus The Timeless Child. So this give us a limited population of
>> Normalish Time Lords/Ladies who only have twelve regenerations!!
>>
>> Meanwhile, The Timeless Child just goes ON ... and ON .... and ON
>> ... ad infinitum!!
>>
>> Quote ad infinitum /ăd ĭn″fə-nī′təm/ adverb & adjective
>>
>> To infinity; having no end.
>>
>> adverb
>>
>> Endlessly; for ever; neverendingly. To infinity; without or
>> seemingly without limit. End Quote
>>
>> The post in reply stated of the Valeyard ....
>>
>> Quote
>> Actually, the Valeyard is the accumulation of all that is evil in the
>> Doctor and occurs somewhere between his 12th and final regeneration.
>> Sort of like all the suppressed evils of the Doc coming to life at
>> once.
>> End Quote
>>
>> What do you think??
>
>--
>Daniel

Are you thinking bi-regeneration?
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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:54 UTC

In article <xn0ojv8eh29mcgs001@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Daniel65 wrote:
>
>> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the
>> 'rec.arts.drwho' archives, I've come across a thread (just two
>> posts) entitled "Who is The Valeyard?"
>>
>> [Snip]
>>
>> The post in reply stated of the Valeyard ....
>>
>> Quote
>> Actually, the Valeyard is the accumulation of all that is evil
>> in the Doctor and occurs somewhere between his 12th and final
>> regeneration. Sort of like all the suppressed evils of the Doc
>> coming to life at once. End Quote
>>
>> What do you think??
>
>I never liked the idea of The Valeyard, but Michael Jayston was
>very good in the role. He would have made a good Doctor.

In the 1970s.
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From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
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Subject: Re: Who is The Valeyard??
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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:54 UTC

In article <uu4uln$3sd88$1@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar.penguin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
>> archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who is
>> The Valeyard?"
>>
>> For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a mysterious
>> character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom Baker) fell off a
>> Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated into Doctor 5 (Peter
>> Davison).
>
>No, that’s the Watcher. The Valeyard was a villain from the
>Sixth Doctor’s era.
>
>> Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere around the
>> transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final') incarnation but
>> that has always seemed strange to me.
>
>That’s the Valeyard. A distillation of the Doctor’s evil side, created
>between his 12th and final incarnation . The dialogue specifically
>says ‘final’ not ‘13th’ so there’s a little bit of wriggle room for
>extra regenerations.
>
>It’s implied that he might’ve been created by evil Time Lords
>on the High Council of Gallifrey (maybe using a process similar
>to what you suggested, or maybe from the Doctor’s mindprint in
>the Matrix.)
>
>We just don’t know.
>

Too bad no DW in the 1990s.

>--
>solar penguin

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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:13 UTC

solar penguin wrote on 29/3/24 10:32 am:
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
>> archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who
>> is The Valeyard?"
>>
>> For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a
>> mysterious character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom
>> Baker) fell off a Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated
>> into Doctor 5 (Peter Davison).
>
> No, that’s the Watcher.

Thank you! I did, sort of, correct myself (later) to the character of
interest being The Watcher! ;-)

> The Valeyard was a villain from the Sixth Doctor’s era.
>
>> Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere around the
>> transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final') incarnation
>> but that has always seemed strange to me.
>
> That’s the Valeyard.

Thank you. One day I'll get all these 'incarnations' sorted out!

> A distillation of the Doctor’s evil side, created between his 12th
> and final incarnation . The dialogue specifically says ‘final’ not
> ‘13th’ so there’s a little bit of wriggle room for extra
> regenerations.
>
> It’s implied that he might’ve been created by evil Time Lords on the
> High Council of Gallifrey (maybe using a process similar to what you
> suggested, or maybe from the Doctor’s mindprint in the Matrix.)
>
> We just don’t know.
>
I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come up with a
good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the wrong references!!
--
Daniel

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Daniel65 wrote:
> >
> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come up
> with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the wrong
> references!!

The moral of the story is...

Never base a hypothesis on what you read in the RADW archives!

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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:30 UTC

Blueshirt wrote on 29/3/24 9:31 pm:
> Daniel65 wrote:
>>>
>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come up
>> with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the wrong
>> references!!
>
> The moral of the story is...
>
> Never base a hypothesis on what you read in the RADW archives!
>
But ..... But ..... But

Mind you, I have had this hypothesis since BEFORE I started reading the
archives!!
--
Daniel

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:32 UTC

In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>solar penguin wrote on 29/3/24 10:32 am:
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> O.K., in the every continuing trudge through the 'rec.arts.drwho'
>>> archives, I've come across a thread (just two posts) entitled "Who
>>> is The Valeyard?"
>>>
>>> For those not up on 'The Valeyard', I understand he was a
>>> mysterious character who appeared at about the time Doctor 4 (Tom
>>> Baker) fell off a Radio Astronomy Antenna, died, and regenerated
>>> into Doctor 5 (Peter Davison).
>>
>> No, that’s the Watcher.
>
>Thank you! I did, sort of, correct myself (later) to the character of
>interest being The Watcher! ;-)
>
>> The Valeyard was a villain from the Sixth Doctor’s era.
>>
>>> Some have hypothesized that he is from somewhere around the
>>> transition from 12th incarnation to 13th (and 'final') incarnation
>>> but that has always seemed strange to me.
>>
>> That’s the Valeyard.
>
>Thank you. One day I'll get all these 'incarnations' sorted out!
>
>> A distillation of the Doctor’s evil side, created between his 12th
>> and final incarnation . The dialogue specifically says ‘final’ not
>> ‘13th’ so there’s a little bit of wriggle room for extra
>> regenerations.
>>
>> It’s implied that he might’ve been created by evil Time Lords on the
>> High Council of Gallifrey (maybe using a process similar to what you
>> suggested, or maybe from the Doctor’s mindprint in the Matrix.)
>>
>> We just don’t know.
>>
>I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come up with a
>good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the wrong references!!
>--
>Daniel

Then stop forgetting!
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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:35 UTC

In article <xn0ojwb963942xo001@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Daniel65 wrote:
>> >
>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come up
>> with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the wrong
>> references!!
>
>The moral of the story is...
>
>Never base a hypothesis on what you read in the RADW archives!

Dig deeper!
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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:39 UTC

In article <uu6fom$agut$2@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Blueshirt wrote on 29/3/24 9:31 pm:
>> Daniel65 wrote:
>>>>
>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come up
>>> with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the wrong
>>> references!!
>>
>> The moral of the story is...
>>
>> Never base a hypothesis on what you read in the RADW archives!
>>
>But ..... But ..... But
>
>Mind you, I have had this hypothesis since BEFORE I started reading the
>archives!!

About?

>--
>Daniel

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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >
> > I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
> > up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
> > wrong references!!
>
> Then stop forgetting!

I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
Dave...

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 17:43 UTC

In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>> > up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>> > wrong references!!
>>
>> Then stop forgetting!
>
>I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>Dave...

As I said about a long memory!

BTW, when it comesto paedophile priests, beware Idlehands!
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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:32 UTC

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > The Doctor wrote:
> >> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
> >> > up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with
> >> > the wrong references!!
> >>
> >> Then stop forgetting!
> >
> > I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control
> > over Dave...
>
> As I said about a long memory!

I'm sure our time will come!
> BTW, when it comes to paedophile priests,

Now now David, it's Easter time... let me enjoy my hot cross
buns and chocolate eggies in peace.

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From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
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Subject: Re: Who is The Valeyard??
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:49:08 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:49 UTC

In article <xn0ojwr313ul3i8002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > The Doctor wrote:
>> >> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>> >> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>> >> > up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with
>> >> > the wrong references!!
>> >>
>> >> Then stop forgetting!
>> >
>> > I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control
>> > over Dave...
>>
>> As I said about a long memory!
>
>I'm sure our time will come!
>

I try not to forget!

>> BTW, when it comes to paedophile priests,
>
>Now now David, it's Easter time... let me enjoy my hot cross
>buns and chocolate eggies in peace.

Easter derives from the demon Ishtar!
--
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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
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 by: Daniel65 - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 11:47 UTC

The Doctor wrote on 30/3/24 4:43 am:
> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>>>> up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>>>> wrong references!!
>>>
>>> Then stop forgetting!
>>
>> I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>> Dave...
>
> As I said about a long memory!

I give up, asswipe .... What did YOU, asswipe, say about 'a long
memory', asswipe??

> BTW, when it comesto paedophile priests, beware Idlehands!
>
WHAT!! Is Idlehands a Priest, now, asswipe?? If so, well done, Idlehands!!
--
Daniel

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:06 UTC

In article <uu8u4f$vkul$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote on 30/3/24 4:43 am:
>> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>>>>> up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>>>>> wrong references!!
>>>>
>>>> Then stop forgetting!
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>>> Dave...
>>
>> As I said about a long memory!
>
>I give up, a%e .... What did YOU, a%e, say about 'a long
>memory', a%e??
>

We make fun of you for short memories!

>> BTW, when it comesto paedophile priests, beware Idlehands!
>>
>WHAT!! Is Idlehands a Priest, now, a%e?? If so, well done, Idlehands!!
>--
>Daniel

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

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 by: Idlehands - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 20:58 UTC

On 2024-03-30 5:47 a.m., Daniel65 wrote:
> The Doctor wrote on 30/3/24 4:43 am:
>> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Daniel65  <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>>>>> up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>>>>> wrong references!!
>>>>
>>>> Then stop forgetting!
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>>> Dave...
>>
>> As I said about a long memory!
>
> I give up, asswipe .... What did YOU, asswipe, say about 'a long
> memory', asswipe??
>
>> BTW, when it comesto paedophile priests, beware Idlehands!
>>
> WHAT!! Is Idlehands a Priest, now, asswipe?? If so, well done, Idlehands!!

Apparently I am a "comesto paedophile priests", very odd considering I
am a single entity who is not Roman Catholic and have never in my life
claimed to be a priest.

As for the "paedophole". this accusation is getting really really old
and merely proves what a dumbass loser binky really is.

Not to mention being a basement dwelling mummy's boy.

--
Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.

George Bernard Shaw

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 by: Daniel65 - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:17 UTC

The Doctor wrote on 31/3/24 1:06 am:
> In article <uu8u4f$vkul$1@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote on 30/3/24 4:43 am:
>>> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>>>>>> up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>>>>>> wrong references!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Then stop forgetting!
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>>>> Dave...
>>>
>>> As I said about a long memory!
>>
>> I give up, a%e .... What did YOU, a%e, say about 'a long
>> memory', a%e??
>
> We make fun of you for short memories!

..... and 'we' make fun of YOU, asswipe, for just about EVERYTHING ELSE,
asswipe!!
--
Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:22 UTC

Idlehands wrote on 31/3/24 7:58 am:
> On 2024-03-30 5:47 a.m., Daniel65 wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote on 30/3/24 4:43 am:
>>> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Daniel65  <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>>>>>> up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>>>>>> wrong references!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Then stop forgetting!
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>>>> Dave...
>>>
>>> As I said about a long memory!
>>
>> I give up, asswipe .... What did YOU, asswipe, say about 'a long
>> memory', asswipe??
>>
>>> BTW, when it comesto paedophile priests, beware Idlehands!
>>>
>> WHAT!! Is Idlehands a Priest, now, asswipe?? If so, well done,
>> Idlehands!!
>
> Apparently I am a "comesto paedophile priests", very odd considering I
> am a single entity who is not Roman Catholic and have never in my life
> claimed to be a priest.

Aren't CofE ministers also known as 'Priests', too??

> As for the "paedophole". this accusation is getting really really old
> and merely proves what a dumbass loser binky really is.

One might have thought the asswipe might have been able to provide some
sort of Evidence to support his accusations by now!!

> Not to mention being a basement dwelling mummy's boy.

O.K., so we won't mention that just now!!
--
Daniel

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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 12:46 UTC

In article <uubgo0$1oml7$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote on 31/3/24 1:06 am:
>> In article <uu8u4f$vkul$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote on 30/3/24 4:43 am:
>>>> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>>>>>>> up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>>>>>>> wrong references!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then stop forgetting!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>>>>> Dave...
>>>>
>>>> As I said about a long memory!
>>>
>>> I give up, a%e .... What did YOU, a%e, say about 'a long
>>> memory', a%e??
>>
>> We make fun of you for short memories!
>
>.... and 'we' make fun of YOU, a%e, for just about EVERYTHING ELSE,
>a%e!!

Must you be a Idlehands Paedophile-mouth Red-Beard?

>--
>Daniel

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 12:47 UTC

In article <uubh23$1oqff$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Idlehands the Paedophile aka Satan Worrshipper wrote on 31/3/24 7:58 am:
>> On 2024-03-30 5:47 a.m., Daniel65 wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote on 30/3/24 4:43 am:
>>>> In article <xn0ojwh4r3h1lwm000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>> In article <uu60n5$6v4j$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Daniel65  <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hate it when I shoot myself in the foot like this!! Come
>>>>>>> up with a good 'hypothesis' but stuff up things up with the
>>>>>>> wrong references!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then stop forgetting!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that's something people have absolute control over
>>>>> Dave...
>>>>
>>>> As I said about a long memory!
>>>
>>> I give up, a%e .... What did YOU, a%e, say about 'a long
>>> memory', a%e??
>>>
>>>> BTW, when it comesto paedophile priests, beware Idlehands!
>>>>
>>> WHAT!! Is Idlehands a Priest, now, a%e?? If so, well done,
>>> Idlehands!!
>>
>> Apparently I am a "comesto paedophile priests", very odd considering I
>> am a single entity who is not Roman Catholic and have never in my life
>> claimed to be a priest.
>
>Aren't CofE ministers also known as 'Priests', too??
>
>> As for the "paedophole". this accusation is getting really really old
>> and merely proves what a dumbass loser binky really is.
^^^^^ The Paedophile has spoke!

>
>One might have thought the a%e might have been able to provide some
>sort of Evidence to support his accusations by now!!
>
>> Not to mention being a basement dwelling mummy's boy.
>
>O.K., so we won't mention that just now!!
>--
>Daniel

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