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* Why only 8 episodes?Steve #92525
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Why only 8 episodes?

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That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?

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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:59 UTC

In article <uuut06$2v9ll$2@dont-email.me>,
Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>

That is the budget.

>--
>Steven J. MacInbaney
>Professional mime assassin

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 by: Your Name - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 22:46 UTC

On 2024-04-07 19:43:02 +0000, Steve #92525 said:
>
> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?

Budget cuts are everywhere. Other UK shows like Vera and Midsomer
Murders have also had shortened seasons in recent years (even ignoring
the Covid lockdown years). :-(

But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting
smaller ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was
already down to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor
only got 14 episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started
with the ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has
continued to shrink.

Note: Those numbers of episodes do not count any specials (Christmas,
New Year, anniversary, etc.).

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 by: Hornplayer9599 - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 00:37 UTC

On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:

>
> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller
> ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
> to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
> ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
> to shrink.
>

And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of
episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons. Usually
32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down to
24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows (there
are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20 episodes).

--

Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
--Carl Sagan

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 by: The True Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 03:09 UTC

On 07/04/2024 23:46, Your Name wrote:
> On 2024-04-07 19:43:02 +0000, Steve #92525 said:
>>
>> That's a pittance!  How are we supposed to live on that?
>
> Budget cuts are everywhere. Other UK shows like Vera and Midsomer
> Murders have also had shortened seasons in recent years (even ignoring
> the Covid lockdown years).  :-(

It's being funded by Woke Disney, so why would there be budget cuts?

>
> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller
> ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
> to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
> ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
> to shrink.

The episodes from 2005 onwards were double the length, so equivalent to
26 25 minute episodes.

The reason for the dwindling number of episodes is because no one wants
to watch Doctor Whoke because it's crap produced by a bunch of perverts
attempting to lecture the audience to accept far left ideology based on
the hatred of the majority and to sexually groom children.

>
>
> Note: Those numbers of episodes do not count any specials (Christmas,
> New Year, anniversary, etc.).
>

--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 03:59 UTC

In article <uuv7nh$31u3b$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>On 2024-04-07 19:43:02 +0000, Steve #92525 said:
>>
>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>
>Budget cuts are everywhere. Other UK shows like Vera and Midsomer
>Murders have also had shortened seasons in recent years (even ignoring
>the Covid lockdown years). :-(
>
>But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
>smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
>episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting
>smaller ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was
>already down to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor
>only got 14 episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started
>with the ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has
>continued to shrink.
>
>
>Note: Those numbers of episodes do not count any specials (Christmas,
>New Year, anniversary, etc.).
>

Just be happy if it is quality.
--
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Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:00 UTC

In article <r%GQN.496014$ET2.266572@fx12.ams4>,
Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> wrote:
>On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:
>
>>
>> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
>> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
>> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller
>> ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
>> to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
>> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
>> ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
>> to shrink.
>>
>
>And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
>50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of
>episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons. Usually
>32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down to
>24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows (there
>are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20 episodes).
>

13 is preferable, but it is better than none!

>--
>
>Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
>--Carl Sagan
>

--
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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:01 UTC

In article <uuvn5l$38nid$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>On 07/04/2024 23:46, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2024-04-07 19:43:02 +0000, Steve #92525 said:
>>>
>>> That's a pittance!  How are we supposed to live on that?
>>
>> Budget cuts are everywhere. Other UK shows like Vera and Midsomer
>> Murders have also had shortened seasons in recent years (even ignoring
>> the Covid lockdown years).  :-(
>
>It's being funded by Woke Disney, so why would there be budget cuts?
>
>>
>> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
>> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
>> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller
>> ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
>> to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
>> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
>> ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
>> to shrink.
>
>The episodes from 2005 onwards were double the length, so equivalent to
>26 25 minute episodes.
>
>The reason for the dwindling number of episodes is because no one wants
>to watch Doctor Whoke because it's crap produced by a bunch of perverts
>attempting to lecture the audience to accept far left ideology based on
>the hatred of the majority and to sexually groom children.
>

Woke joke!

>>
>>
>> Note: Those numbers of episodes do not count any specials (Christmas,
>> New Year, anniversary, etc.).
>>
>
>--
>The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
>
>"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
>stands for." -William Shatner
>

--
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 by: Your Name - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 06:28 UTC

On 2024-04-08 00:37:44 +0000, Hornplayer9599 said:
> On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
>> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
>> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting
>> smaller ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was
>> already down to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor
>> only got 14 episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started
>> with the ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has
>> continued to shrink.
>
> And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
> 50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of
> episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons.
> Usually 32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down
> to 24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows
> (there are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20
> episodes).

Yep, but UK shows have also always had seasons shorter than US shows.

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 by: The True Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:58 UTC

On 08/04/2024 05:00, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <r%GQN.496014$ET2.266572@fx12.ams4>,
> Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
>>> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
>>> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller
>>> ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
>>> to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
>>> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
>>> ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
>>> to shrink.
>>>
>>
>> And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
>> 50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of
>> episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons. Usually
>> 32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down to
>> 24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows (there
>> are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20 episodes).
>>
>
> 13 is preferable, but it is better than none!
>

None is better than the perverted woke crap attempting to sexually groom
children and lecture the majority by hateful activists instead of
entertaining viewers.

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stands for." -William Shatner

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 by: Blueshirt - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:27 UTC

Your Name wrote:
>
> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been
> growing smaller right from the start. The very first season
> (1963-1964) had 42 episodes, and it has mostly, with a few
> exceptions, kept getting smaller ever since. By the time of
> the third Doctor that count was already down to 25 or 26
> episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started
> with the ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season
> and it has continued to shrink.

Everything seems to have 'short' seasons these days. Off the top
of my head nothing I have watched recently on the streaming
services have had very long seasons, like the traditional TV
shows of old used to have...

The Mandalorian (Disney+) had 8 episode seasons.
Ahsoka (Disney+) was 8 episodes.
Reacher S2 (Prime) was 8 episodes
Picard S3 (Prime) was 10 episodes
Slow Horses (Apple TV+) has 6 episode seasons.

The new Walking Dead spin-offs; "Dead City", "The Ones Who Live"
and "Daryl Dixon" are all 6 episode seasons.

So modern Doctor Who only having an 8 episode season is par for
the course for a TV show in 2024.

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 by: Blueshirt - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:39 UTC

The True Doctor wrote:

> On 07/04/2024 23:46, Your Name wrote:
> > On 2024-04-07 19:43:02 +0000, Steve #92525 said:
> > >
> > > That's a pittance!  How are we supposed to live on that?
> >
> > Budget cuts are everywhere. Other UK shows like Vera and
> > Midsomer Murders have also had shortened seasons in recent
> > years (even ignoring the Covid lockdown years).  :-(
>
> It's being funded by Woke Disney, so why would there be budget
> cuts?

Not unlimited funding though I'm sure!!!
> The reason for the dwindling number of episodes is because no
> one wants to watch Doctor Whoke because it's crap produced by
> a bunch of perverts attempting to lecture the audience to
> accept far left ideology based on the hatred of the majority
> and to sexually groom children.

The way we consume TV shows in 2024 has changed. You are well
aware of that as you watch other shows with short-ish seasons.
The next season of Doctor Who doesn't have only eight episodes
because Doctor Who is "woke", it is because that's how the
industry works now...

Get used to 6/8 episode seasons of most things!

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:53 UTC

In article <uv02pr$3b8gv$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>On 2024-04-08 00:37:44 +0000, Hornplayer9599 said:
>> On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
>>> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
>>> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting
>>> smaller ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was
>>> already down to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor
>>> only got 14 episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started
>>> with the ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has
>>> continued to shrink.
>>
>> And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
>> 50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of
>> episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons.
>> Usually 32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down
>> to 24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows
>> (there are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20
>> episodes).
>
>Yep, but UK shows have also always had seasons shorter than US shows.
>

so 8 parts, like Death in Paradise.
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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:58 UTC

In article <uv0pmc$3gl2m$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>On 08/04/2024 05:00, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <r%GQN.496014$ET2.266572@fx12.ams4>,
>> Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2024 17:46, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been growing
>>>> smaller right from the start. The very first season (1963-1964) had 42
>>>> episodes, and it has mostly, with a few exceptions, kept getting smaller
>>>> ever since. By the time of the third Doctor that count was already down
>>>> to 25 or 26 episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
>>>> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started with the
>>>> ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season and it has continued
>>>> to shrink.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And that's not exclusive to Dr. Who. Take a look at any show from the
>>> 50's or early 60's from anywhere, and you will find that the number of
>>> episodes in a season were enormous compared to today's seasons. Usually
>>> 32-36 episodes was the norm at first...then things settled down to
>>> 24-26, then the super short seasons we have now for most shows (there
>>> are a scant few here in the US that are still around 20 episodes).
>>>
>>
>> 13 is preferable, but it is better than none!
>>
>
>None is better than the perverted woke crap attempting to sexually groom
>children and lecture the majority by hateful activists instead of
>entertaining viewers.
>

I got you!

Hateful activism noted.

>
>
>--
>The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
>
>"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
>stands for." -William Shatner
>

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:00 UTC

In article <xn0okbzaohrxnmy002@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Your Name wrote:
>>
>> But the number of episodes for Doctor who has basically been
>> growing smaller right from the start. The very first season
>> (1963-1964) had 42 episodes, and it has mostly, with a few
>> exceptions, kept getting smaller ever since. By the time of
>> the third Doctor that count was already down to 25 or 26
>> episodes per season and the seventh Doctor only got 14
>> episodes in each season. When the resurrected show started
>> with the ninth Doctor they were down to 13 shows per season
>> and it has continued to shrink.
>
>Everything seems to have 'short' seasons these days. Off the top
>of my head nothing I have watched recently on the streaming
>services have had very long seasons, like the traditional TV
>shows of old used to have...
>
>The Mandalorian (Disney+) had 8 episode seasons.
>Ahsoka (Disney+) was 8 episodes.
>Reacher S2 (Prime) was 8 episodes
>Picard S3 (Prime) was 10 episodes
>Slow Horses (Apple TV+) has 6 episode seasons.
>
>The new Walking Dead spin-offs; "Dead City", "The Ones Who Live"
>and "Daryl Dixon" are all 6 episode seasons.
>
>So modern Doctor Who only having an 8 episode season is par for
>the course for a TV show in 2024.

WE shall see.
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 by: The Last Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:15 UTC

Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>
> --
> Steven J. MacInbaney
> Professional mime assassin
>

We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
Xmas special).

Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
(9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.

However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April 2010 to 09
December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
year.

And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.

So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.

It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh Doctors between
1985 and 1989 …

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:34 UTC

In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>
>> --
>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>> Professional mime assassin
>>
>
>We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
>Xmas special).
>
>Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>(9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>
>However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April 2010 to 09
>December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
>year.
>
>And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.
>
>So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
>Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>
>It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh Doctors between
>1985 and 1989 …
>

REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
a Season!

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>
>>
>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
>> Xmas special).
>>
>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>
>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April 2010 to 09
>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
>> year.
>>
>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.
>>
>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>
>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh Doctors between
>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>
>
> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
> a Season!

I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times) that’s
10 hours a season, not 13.

Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes (7.5 hours).
But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
years gone.

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

Re: Why only 8 episodes?

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Subject: Re: Why only 8 episodes?
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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:14 UTC

In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
>>> Xmas special).
>>>
>>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>>
>>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April 2010 to 09
>>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
>>> year.
>>>
>>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.
>>>
>>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
>>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>>
>>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh Doctors between
>>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>>
>>
>> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
>> a Season!
>
>I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
>it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
>26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
>24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
>cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times) that’s
>10 hours a season, not 13.
>
>Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes (7.5 hours).
>But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
>years gone.
>

Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

--
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Re: Why only 8 episodes?

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 by: The Last Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:15 UTC

The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
>>>> Xmas special).
>>>>
>>>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>>>
>>>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April 2010 to 09
>>>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.
>>>>
>>>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
>>>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>>>
>>>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh Doctors between
>>>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>>>
>>>
>>> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
>>> a Season!
>>
>> I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
>> it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
>> 26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
>> 24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
>> cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times) that’s
>> 10 hours a season, not 13.
>>
>> Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes (7.5 hours).
>> But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
>> years gone.
>>
>
> Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.

The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in
1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55
years.

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

Re: Why only 8 episodes?

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Subject: Re: Why only 8 episodes?
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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 19:20 UTC

In article <uv1c7b$3ldrh$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>>>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
>>>>> Xmas special).
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>>>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April
>2010 to 09
>>>>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
>>>>> year.
>>>>>
>>>>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>>>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>>>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>>>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>>>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
>>>>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh
>Doctors between
>>>>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
>>>> a Season!
>>>
>>> I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
>>> it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
>>> 26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
>>> 24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
>>> cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times) that’s
>>> 10 hours a season, not 13.
>>>
>>> Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes (7.5 hours).
>>> But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
>>> years gone.
>>>
>>
>> Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
>
>The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in
>1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55
>years.
>

given averages ...

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

--
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Re: Why only 8 episodes?

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The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <uv1c7b$3ldrh$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>>>>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the series and a
>>>>>> Xmas special).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>>>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>>>>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April
>> 2010 to 09
>>>>>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6 episodes a
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>>>>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95 episodes a year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>>>>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>>>>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>>>>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years? Yes it is.
>>>>>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh
>> Doctors between
>>>>>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
>>>>> a Season!
>>>>
>>>> I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
>>>> it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
>>>> 26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
>>>> 24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
>>>> cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times) that’s
>>>> 10 hours a season, not 13.
>>>>
>>>> Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes (7.5 hours).
>>>> But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
>>>> years gone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
>>
>> The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in
>> 1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55
>> years.
>>
>
> given averages ...

After season 6, the longest season was season 18 in 1980-1981, with 28 x 25
minute episodes. 11.67 hours maximum. Averages really don’t come into it.

It is possible to fabricate one longer season, by pretending that series 4
includes all the specials up to The End of Time. That comes to 15.4 hours.
But the thirteen episodes of the season proper come to 10.17 hours, and
adding 1 Christmas special to make up a “full year” still doesn’t make it
as long as season 18.

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:31 UTC

In article <uv1i28$3mpso$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <uv1c7b$3ldrh$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>>>>>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the
>series and a
>>>>>>> Xmas special).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>>>>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>>>>>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April
>>> 2010 to 09
>>>>>>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6
>episodes a
>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>>>>>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95
>episodes a year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>>>>>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>>>>>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>>>>>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years?
>Yes it is.
>>>>>>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh
>>> Doctors between
>>>>>>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
>>>>>> a Season!
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
>>>>> it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
>>>>> 26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
>>>>> 24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
>>>>> cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times)
>that’s
>>>>> 10 hours a season, not 13.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes
>(7.5 hours).
>>>>> But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
>>>>> years gone.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
>>>
>>> The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in
>>> 1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55
>>> years.
>>>
>>
>> given averages ...
>
>After season 6, the longest season was season 18 in 1980-1981, with 28 x 25
>minute episodes. 11.67 hours maximum. Averages really don’t come into it.
>
>It is possible to fabricate one longer season, by pretending that series 4
>includes all the specials up to The End of Time. That comes to 15.4 hours.
>But the thirteen episodes of the season proper come to 10.17 hours, and
>adding 1 Christmas special to make up a “full year” still doesn’t make it
>as long as season 18.

So 8 x 1 hr episodes is fair IYIO.

>
>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

--
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 by: The Last Doctor - Tue, 9 Apr 2024 07:02 UTC

The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <uv1i28$3mpso$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> In article <uv1c7b$3ldrh$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>>>>>>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the
>> series and a
>>>>>>>> Xmas special).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>>>>>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>>>>>>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April
>>>> 2010 to 09
>>>>>>>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6
>> episodes a
>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August 2014 to 09
>>>>>>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95
>> episodes a year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>>>>>>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show. Would I like
>>>>>>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for modern TV, and
>>>>>>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years?
>> Yes it is.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh
>>>> Doctors between
>>>>>>>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
>>>>>>> a Season!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need to recall
>>>>>> it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970 to 1984 was
>>>>>> 26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short seasons. At about
>>>>>> 24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
>>>>>> cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times)
>> that’s
>>>>>> 10 hours a season, not 13.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes
>> (7.5 hours).
>>>>>> But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
>>>>>> years gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
>>>>
>>>> The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in
>>>> 1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> given averages ...
>>
>> After season 6, the longest season was season 18 in 1980-1981, with 28 x 25
>> minute episodes. 11.67 hours maximum. Averages really don’t come into it.
>>
>> It is possible to fabricate one longer season, by pretending that series 4
>> includes all the specials up to The End of Time. That comes to 15.4 hours.
>> But the thirteen episodes of the season proper come to 10.17 hours, and
>> adding 1 Christmas special to make up a “full year” still doesn’t make it
>> as long as season 18.
>
> So 8 x 1 hr episodes is fair IYIO.

What does that have to do with your lie that seasons have had 13 hours of
content?

And I don’t know how long the new episodes will be. Under an hour for sure,
mostly - maybe only 45 minutes. That’s how it’s been throughout the revived
era.

“Fair” doesn’t come into it. I’d rather have 9 good shorter episodes than
13 where half the episode seems pointless in retrospect. And no, I don’t
know whether the new episodes will be good either.

That’s something I’ll learn after watching them, unlike say Aggie who I’m
sure already has teams of hatred, bigotry and tirades of prejudice lined up
to share with us all.

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

Re: Why only 8 episodes?

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Subject: Re: Why only 8 episodes?
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 by: The Doctor - Tue, 9 Apr 2024 14:31 UTC

In article <uv2p68$2uu0$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <uv1i28$3mpso$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> In article <uv1c7b$3ldrh$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <uv14nc$3jifp$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <uv11m4$3ip4l$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Steve #92525 <newbie@mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> That's a pittance! How are we supposed to live on that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Steven J. MacInbaney
>>>>>>>>>> Professional mime assassin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are getting a “guaranteed” 9 episodes a year. (8 in the
>>> series and a
>>>>>>>>> Xmas special).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Over the entire revived run from 26 March 2005 to 09 December 2023
>>>>>>>>> (9th-14th Doctors) we have had 178 episodes in total, including all the
>>>>>>>>> specials, across 18.7 years - 9.5 episodes a year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However since the start of the 11th Doctor’s run, from 03 April
>>>>> 2010 to 09
>>>>>>>>> December 2023, we have had 118 episodes across 13.7 years - 8.6
>>> episodes a
>>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And since the start of the 12th Doctor’s run, from 23 August
>2014 to 09
>>>>>>>>> December 2023, we had 74 episodes across 9.3 years - 7.95
>>> episodes a year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So in actual fact, we are now going to be getting MORE new Who episodes
>>>>>>>>> than at any time since RTD was last at the helm of the show.
>Would I like
>>>>>>>>> more? Sure. Is what we’re getting par for the course for
>modern TV, and
>>>>>>>>> actually MORE new content annually than we’ve had in 14 years?
>>> Yes it is.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should redefine “pittance”.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s also more than was produced for the Sixth and Seventh
>>>>> Doctors between
>>>>>>>>> 1985 and 1989 …
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REcall from the 1970 to 1986 there was 13 hours of Doctor Who
>>>>>>>> a Season!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn’t discuss 1963 to 1984 at all Dave. So there was no need
>to recall
>>>>>>> it. Even so, you’re wrong. The median season length from 1970
>to 1984 was
>>>>>>> 26 episodes but the average is just under 25 due to short
>seasons. At about
>>>>>>> 24 minutes per episode (plus the additional title sequence times and
>>>>>>> cliffhangers that the shorter episodes included in their run times)
>>> that’s
>>>>>>> 10 hours a season, not 13.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which, yes, is a fair bit more than 2024’s likely 450 minutes
>>> (7.5 hours).
>>>>>>> But I was referring mainly to the time between 2010 and now. Not times 40
>>>>>>> years gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still the expectation from fans in normally 13 hour season.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last season that had 13 hours or more running time was season 6 in
>>>>> 1969. So anyone with that high an expectation has been disappointed for 55
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> given averages ...
>>>
>>> After season 6, the longest season was season 18 in 1980-1981, with 28 x 25
>>> minute episodes. 11.67 hours maximum. Averages really don’t come into it.
>>>
>>> It is possible to fabricate one longer season, by pretending that series 4
>>> includes all the specials up to The End of Time. That comes to 15.4 hours.
>>> But the thirteen episodes of the season proper come to 10.17 hours, and
>>> adding 1 Christmas special to make up a “full year” still
>doesn’t make it
>>> as long as season 18.
>>
>> So 8 x 1 hr episodes is fair IYIO.
>
>What does that have to do with your lie that seasons have had 13 hours of
>content?
>
>And I don’t know how long the new episodes will be. Under an hour for sure,
>mostly - maybe only 45 minutes. That’s how it’s been throughout the revived
>era.
>
>“Fair” doesn’t come into it. I’d rather have 9 good shorter
>episodes than
>13 where half the episode seems pointless in retrospect. And no, I don’t
>know whether the new episodes will be good either.
>
>That’s something I’ll learn after watching them, unlike say Aggie who I’m
>sure already has teams of hatred, bigotry and tirades of prejudice lined up
>to share with us all.
>

What about that was then, this is now?

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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