On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:59:59 AM UTC+5, Naseer wrote:
> ISHTIHAAR - EK MUNSIF KII TALAASH HAI JO NIICHE DII GA'II TAHRIIR KO PARH KAR FAISALA KAREN KIH "maiN ne vahaaN jaanaa hai" QISM KII TARKIIB URDU VAALON KII TAXLIIQ HAI YAA KIH PANJABIYON KII.
>
>
> 1. 1635 meN Mullaa Asadullah Wajhii ne "Sabras" kii tasniif kii. Baabaa-i-Urdu, janaab-i-Abdul Haq ne ise 1932 meN apnii nigraanii meN Aurangabad se shaa'i3 kiyaa. aap safhah no. 182 kaa mulaahazah kiijiye.
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/201829284/Sabras-Mulla-Wajhi-Dakkani-Urdu
> "jahaaN Ghamzah kare Ghamze vahaaN 3aashiq *ne* kyaa karnaa"
> 2. 1899 meN Abdul Halim Sharar ne ek naavil ba-naam “Hasan-Angelina” likhaa jis ke safhah no.9 par yih jumlah likhaa hu’aa hai.
> jab xudaa ne bachaanaa hotaa hai to yuuN hotaa hai.
> https://archive.org/details/HasanAnglinaByAbdulHaleemSharar/page/n9
>
>
> 3. Sayyid Ahmed Dihlavi, in his book entitled “LuGhaatunnisaa’” published in 1917, over a hundred years ago, writes on page 2, "go aaj se taqriib-an do saal
> peshtar jo ham ne is luGhaat kii qiimat kaa taxmiinah lagaayaa thaa vuh saaRhe tiin ruupayah fii jild thaa. aur ab jo kaaGhaz kii giraanii ne aaNkheN dikhaa diiN to hamaarii siTTii gum ho ga'ii. *magar ham ne is kii qiimat baRhaanii thii nah baRhaa'ii."
> https://archive.org/stream/lughtunnis00amaduoft#page/299/mode/2up
>
>
> 4. Maulavii Nazeer Ahmed kii kahaanii- kuchh merii aur kuchh un kii zabaanii- Farhat Ali Beg – July 1927 (page 40)
> "den-len sab kuchh karte the magar Hisaab-kitaab sirf duusroN kii kitaaboN yaa un ke dil meN thaa. kuchh thoRaa bahut logoN ke kahne sun_ne se, mutafarriq parchoN par likh bhii liyaa thaa lekin itne baRe byopaar ke liye jaisaa daftar chaahiye ***vuh unhoN ne nah rakhnaa thaa nah rakhaa***"
> https://www.rekhta.org/ebooks/dr-nazeer-ahmad-ki-kahani-kuchh-meri-aur-kuchh-unki-zabani-mirza-farhatullah-beg-ebooks
>
> 5.janaab-i-Gopi Chand Narang ne 1961 meN ek kitaab jis kaa naam "Karkhandari Dialect of Delhi Urdu" hai, us ke safhah 51 par vuh farmaate haiN...
> The first person singular agent maiN ne میں نے is also used as singular dative: e.g. maiN ne khaanaa pakaanaa hai
>
> https://www.rekhta.org/ebooks/karkhandari-dialect-of-delhi-urdu-gopi-chand-narang-ebooks?lang=hi&pageId=&targetId=&bookmarkType=&referer=&myaction> ...................................................
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> insaaf kaa taalib
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> Naseer

janaab Naseer sahib. Adaab :-). Aapka ishtahaar dekha acha laga. taqriiban 4 saal aur beet gaye, lekin is post ka khayaal zehn men raha. aap ko yad ho ga k sharar ke novel Hasan Angelina ka hawala main ne hi dia tha aur kaha tha ke kitabat ki ghalati maloom hoti hai aisa ho nahi sakta keh sharar sahab ne yun likha ho. bht arsa talaash ki (talaash aisi khaas bhi nahi ki, kisi kutub khane ka rukh nahi kia) rekhta par hasan angelina ki purani kitabat mili lekin usmen ibtadaii safhaat nhi the. ab rekhta ne aik aur nuskha rakha hai jo 1953 men lakhnau men chhapa. mazkoora ibarat safha number 7 par kuch yun hai: "jab khuda ko bachana manzoor hota hai to yun hota hai".

https://www.rekhta.org/ebooks/hasan-angelina-abdul-halim-sharar-ebooks-1?lang=ur&_ga=2.42127974.2119955258.1679041612-290492186.1679041612

apne ishtihar se sharar sahib ka hawal hazf kar lijiye. baqion ko bhi dekhte hain.

Asad

On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 12:12:55 UTC, Asad wrote:
> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:59:59 AM UTC+5, Naseer wrote:
> > ISHTIHAAR - EK MUNSIF KII TALAASH HAI JO NIICHE DII GA'II TAHRIIR KO PARH KAR FAISALA KAREN KIH "maiN ne vahaaN jaanaa hai" QISM KII TARKIIB URDU VAALON KII TAXLIIQ HAI YAA KIH PANJABIYON KII.
> >
> >
> > 1. 1635 meN Mullaa Asadullah Wajhii ne "Sabras" kii tasniif kii. Baabaa-i-Urdu, janaab-i-Abdul Haq ne ise 1932 meN apnii nigraanii meN Aurangabad se shaa'i3 kiyaa. aap safhah no. 182 kaa mulaahazah kiijiye.
> >
> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/201829284/Sabras-Mulla-Wajhi-Dakkani-Urdu
> > "jahaaN Ghamzah kare Ghamze vahaaN 3aashiq *ne* kyaa karnaa"
> > 2. 1899 meN Abdul Halim Sharar ne ek naavil ba-naam “Hasan-Angelina” likhaa jis ke safhah no.9 par yih jumlah likhaa hu’aa hai.
> > jab xudaa ne bachaanaa hotaa hai to yuuN hotaa hai.
> > https://archive.org/details/HasanAnglinaByAbdulHaleemSharar/page/n9
> >
> >
> > 3. Sayyid Ahmed Dihlavi, in his book entitled “LuGhaatunnisaa’” published in 1917, over a hundred years ago, writes on page 2, "go aaj se taqriib-an do saal
> > peshtar jo ham ne is luGhaat kii qiimat kaa taxmiinah lagaayaa thaa vuh saaRhe tiin ruupayah fii jild thaa. aur ab jo kaaGhaz kii giraanii ne aaNkheN dikhaa diiN to hamaarii siTTii gum ho ga'ii. *magar ham ne is kii qiimat baRhaanii thii nah baRhaa'ii."
> > https://archive.org/stream/lughtunnis00amaduoft#page/299/mode/2up
> >
> >
> > 4. Maulavii Nazeer Ahmed kii kahaanii- kuchh merii aur kuchh un kii zabaanii- Farhat Ali Beg – July 1927 (page 40)
> > "den-len sab kuchh karte the magar Hisaab-kitaab sirf duusroN kii kitaaboN yaa un ke dil meN thaa. kuchh thoRaa bahut logoN ke kahne sun_ne se, mutafarriq parchoN par likh bhii liyaa thaa lekin itne baRe byopaar ke liye jaisaa daftar chaahiye ***vuh unhoN ne nah rakhnaa thaa nah rakhaa***"
> > https://www.rekhta.org/ebooks/dr-nazeer-ahmad-ki-kahani-kuchh-meri-aur-kuchh-unki-zabani-mirza-farhatullah-beg-ebooks
> >
> > 5.janaab-i-Gopi Chand Narang ne 1961 meN ek kitaab jis kaa naam "Karkhandari Dialect of Delhi Urdu" hai, us ke safhah 51 par vuh farmaate haiN...
> > The first person singular agent maiN ne میں نے is also used as singular dative: e.g. maiN ne khaanaa pakaanaa hai
> >
> > https://www.rekhta.org/ebooks/karkhandari-dialect-of-delhi-urdu-gopi-chand-narang-ebooks?lang=hi&pageId=&targetId=&bookmarkType=&referer=&myaction=
> > ...................................................
> >
> > insaaf kaa taalib
> >
> > Naseer
> janaab Naseer sahib. Adaab :-). Aapka ishtahaar dekha acha laga. taqriiban 4 saal aur beet gaye, lekin is post ka khayaal zehn men raha. aap ko yad ho ga k sharar ke novel Hasan Angelina ka hawala main ne hi dia tha aur kaha tha ke kitabat ki ghalati maloom hoti hai aisa ho nahi sakta keh sharar sahab ne yun likha ho. bht arsa talaash ki (talaash aisi khaas bhi nahi ki, kisi kutub khane ka rukh nahi kia) rekhta par hasan angelina ki purani kitabat mili lekin usmen ibtadaii safhaat nhi the. ab rekhta ne aik aur nuskha rakha hai jo 1953 men lakhnau men chhapa. mazkoora ibarat safha number 7 par kuch yun hai: "jab khuda ko bachana manzoor hota hai to yun hota hai".
>
> https://www.rekhta.org/ebooks/hasan-angelina-abdul-halim-sharar-ebooks-1?lang=ur&_ga=2.42127974.2119955258.1679041612-290492186.1679041612
>
> apne ishtihar se sharar sahib ka hawal hazf kar lijiye. baqion ko bhi dekhte hain.
>
> Asad

janaab Asad SaaHib, aadaab 3arz hai, ummiid hai kih aap aur aap ke ahl-i-xaanah ba-xair-o-3aafiyyat hoN ge.

jii haaN, Abdul Haleem Sharar kii kitaab "Hasan Angelina" kaa Havaalah aap hii ne diyaa thaa. 1953 kii isha3at ke Havaale kaa shukriyah. yaqiin-an duusrii kitaab meN kaatib se Ghalatii sar-zad hu'ii ho gii. lihaazaa "ishtihaar" ke 5 subuutoN meN se is "subuut" ko Hazf samajhiye.

baqiyah chaar subuut zail meN darj haiN.

1. Mulla-Wajhi (Punjabi nahiiN the)

2. Sayyid Ahmed Dihlavi (Punjabi nahiiN the)

3. Farhat Ali Beg (Punjabi nahiiN the)

4. Professor Gopi Chand Narang ke mutaabiq(aur maiN ne un kii kitaab kaa Havaalah diyaa hai) is qism kaa tarz-i-guftaar "Karkhandari Dialect of Delhi Urdu" meN paayaa jaata hai

aap ne farmaayaa thaa, ""us ne vaapas aana hai" ka ta'lluq ahl-e-punjaab se aisaa hii hai jaisaa aap ka ALUP se hai :)". kyaa aap bhii ek talx Haqiiqat kaa i3tiraaf karte hu'e apne irshaad-i-giraamii kii nafii kar sakte haiN?

Naseer