The Doctor wrote:

> In article <nnd$2eb49444$0696d987@fe13f44fab772ff7>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Pluted Pup wrote:
> >
> >> Younger viewers may be attracted to old programming
> >> *because it is different*, not because it's the same
> >> as modern TV.
> >
> > They might. But if I was a betting man I'd say the iPlayer viewership
> > figures of black and white Doctor Who stories will only be a small
> > fraction of the figures for the colour Doctor Who stories.
> >
>
> The pup is spot on correct!

Correct in what? Pup said "may", and I replied "they might". <shrugs> We
won't know for sure as the iPlayer "Whoniverse" only launched on November
1st.

But my [phantom] 'bet" on what will get more views on iPlayer stands and
time will tell if younger viewers prefer watching the older stuff or the
newer stuff. I think some will be interested in the older black and white
era of the show, but on the whole I expect them to prefer the colour era
of the show.

You are your stupid opinions are about as useful as a chocolate teapot
though...

The Last Doctor wrote:

> Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:03:21 -0800, Blueshirt wrote:
> >>
> >> Nobody is stopping you loving the seven part story, intact. The 75
> >> minute edit of "The Daleks" is aimed at a new audience. If you don't
> >> like the idea of it as it's not intact, and/or don't want to watch
> >> it, fine, stop going on about it. It was not done for you.
> >
> > TV executives "aiming at a new audience" by refusing to
> > show the classic black and white Doctor Who are like
> > the executives who refuse to show 1.33 shows without
> > butchering the picture. It is a problem caused by
> > management not by viewers.
>
> And if the BBC weren’t going to continue to have the original seven part
> monochrome serial available IN ADDITION to this new version, that would
> be an excellent point.

I wouldn't be too precious about the padded out storylines being cut. I
think a good editing job is required on a lot of the older Doctor Who
stories... 1960's stories like "The Daleks" are way too long. You wouldn't
be able to cut them all down to 75 minutes though, but some could
definitely do with a good trim.

I'll have to wait and see what the colourisation looks like, it might be a
bit weird seeing William Hartnell & Co. in colour and it may seem
unnatural even as we are so used to the original b/w versions.

In article <uiuark$tu6l$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:03:21 -0800, Blueshirt wrote:
>>
>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<nnd$169e7b75$64d9e080@380c9df32d761a72>,
>>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>> Still this is 25 minutes 7 parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do the math!
>>>>>
>>>>> The story has been abridged Dave... but it's still the same story. The
>>>>> edited version isn't aimed at you.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not like there wasn't quite a lot of padding in those seven
>>>>> episodes anyway, so I'm sure it was easy enough to cut-out some of the
>>>>> dead moments.
>>>>
>>>> Hence why onlie that say I love the 7 parter in tact !
>>>
>>> Nobody is stopping you loving the seven part story, intact. The 75 minute
>>> edit of "The Daleks" is aimed at a new audience. If you don't like the
>>> idea of it as it's not intact, and/or don't want to watch it, fine, stop
>>> going on about it. It was not done for you.
>>
>> TV executives "aiming at a new audience" by refusing to
>> show the classic black and white Doctor Who are like
>> the executives who refuse to show 1.33 shows without
>> butchering the picture. It is a problem caused by
>> management not by viewers.
>
>And if the BBC weren’t going to continue to have the original seven part
>monochrome serial available IN ADDITION to this new version, that would be
>an excellent point.
>
>But they are, so it’s moot.
>
>> Colorization is goldbrick engineering, as in intended
>> to waste time and money. It involves extreme processing
>> of the film with resultant lowering of the fidelity.
>> A standard trick of colorizers since 1985 is to do a
>> false comparison of a "before and after" by taking the
>> finished project and then turning the color off and
>> then proclaiming how better the colorization is to
>> black and white. An honest comparison is avoided
>> because it shows the re-engineering to be a weakening
>> of the picture compared to the original.
>>
>> Younger viewers may be attracted to old programming
>> *because it is different*, not because it's the same
>> as modern TV.
>
>And they’ll have to option to truly compare and contrast, in this case.
>

1 to 1 not sub 1 tto 1 !!
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>Timeless Children'. I'm not going to deny what he wrote. I'm going with it.
>It's absolutely fine." — Russell T. Davies

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In article <nnd$7079a9c8$548c5fb0@1f396ba739215e90>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote:
>
>> Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:03:21 -0800, Blueshirt wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nobody is stopping you loving the seven part story, intact. The 75
>> >> minute edit of "The Daleks" is aimed at a new audience. If you don't
>> >> like the idea of it as it's not intact, and/or don't want to watch
>> >> it, fine, stop going on about it. It was not done for you.
>> >
>> > TV executives "aiming at a new audience" by refusing to
>> > show the classic black and white Doctor Who are like
>> > the executives who refuse to show 1.33 shows without
>> > butchering the picture. It is a problem caused by
>> > management not by viewers.
>>
>> And if the BBC weren’t going to continue to have the original seven part
>> monochrome serial available IN ADDITION to this new version, that would
>> be an excellent point.
>
>I wouldn't be too precious about the padded out storylines being cut. I
>think a good editing job is required on a lot of the older Doctor Who
>stories... 1960's stories like "The Daleks" are way too long. You wouldn't
>be able to cut them all down to 75 minutes though, but some could
>definitely do with a good trim.
>
>I'll have to wait and see what the colourisation looks like, it might be a
>bit weird seeing William Hartnell & Co. in colour and it may seem
>unnatural even as we are so used to the original b/w versions.

I prefer originals!
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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <nnd$7079a9c8$548c5fb0@1f396ba739215e90>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't be too precious about the padded out storylines being cut. I
> > think a good editing job is required on a lot of the older Doctor Who
> > stories... 1960's stories like "The Daleks" are way too long. You
> > wouldn't be able to cut them all down to 75 minutes though, but some
> > could definitely do with a good trim.
> >
> > I'll have to wait and see what the colourisation looks like, it might
> > be a bit weird seeing William Hartnell & Co. in colour and it may seem
> > unnatural even as we are so used to the original b/w versions.
>
> I prefer originals!

Yes Dave, and maybe some of us will too... that is not the point.

This new version of "The Daleks" is in addition to the original classic
story, as a Doctor Who 60th anniversary special episode. It is not a
replacement version with the old seven part story no longer available.
Most of us fans probably have "The Daleks" on VHS/DVD anyway, but we can
go online and stream it too. Nobody has lost out on anything.

November 23rd, BBC4 and iPlayer... watch it and see what you think.

In article <nnd$476fa4e9$1ba68915@4b217bc800054e9c>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <nnd$7079a9c8$548c5fb0@1f396ba739215e90>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> >
>> > I wouldn't be too precious about the padded out storylines being cut. I
>> > think a good editing job is required on a lot of the older Doctor Who
>> > stories... 1960's stories like "The Daleks" are way too long. You
>> > wouldn't be able to cut them all down to 75 minutes though, but some
>> > could definitely do with a good trim.
>> >
>> > I'll have to wait and see what the colourisation looks like, it might
>> > be a bit weird seeing William Hartnell & Co. in colour and it may seem
>> > unnatural even as we are so used to the original b/w versions.
>>
>> I prefer originals!
>
>Yes Dave, and maybe some of us will too... that is not the point.
>
>This new version of "The Daleks" is in addition to the original classic
>story, as a Doctor Who 60th anniversary special episode. It is not a
>replacement version with the old seven part story no longer available.
>Most of us fans probably have "The Daleks" on VHS/DVD anyway, but we can
>go online and stream it too. Nobody has lost out on anything.
>
>November 23rd, BBC4 and iPlayer... watch it and see what you think.
>

90 minutes of the 175 mintues that should be?
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In article <uileln$2nq$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote:

>On the contrary, we now know that the already announced colourisation of the
>show's second ever story, The Daleks, will air at 7:30pm on 23rd November
>on BBC Four.

Well, that's one way of retroactivly make the show more racially diverse...

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In article <ujfmdv$a48l$16@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>In article <uileln$2nq$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote:
>
>>On the contrary, we now know that the already announced colourisation of the
>>show's second ever story, The Daleks, will air at 7:30pm on 23rd November
>>on BBC Four.
>
>Well, that's one way of retroactivly make the show more racially diverse...
>

Only 90 minutes of the 175 minutes!

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