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* MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306eleeper@optonline.net
+- MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306Someone Else
+- MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306WolfFan
+* MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306Gary McGath
|`* MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306Scott Dorsey
| `* Change of My News Server [was Re: MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No.Evelyn C. Leeper
|  +- Change of My News Server [was Re: MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42,Kerr-Mudd, John
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`- MT VOID, 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306Someone Else

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THE MT VOID
12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306

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Topics:
Space Station: Hollywood vs. Reality
Saturn Awards Finalists
Mini Reviews, Part 13 (WESTWORLD, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE--DEAD
RECKONING PART 1, BIOSPHERE) (film reviews
by Mark R. Leeper and Evelyn C. Leeper)
THE ROAD TO ROSWELL by Connie Willis (audio book review
by Joe Karpierz)
Looking for Book and Movie Pairs (comments
by Evelyn C. Leeper)
This Week's Reading (WHEN LIFE NEARLY DIED, ALL THE HORSES
OF ICELAND) (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

===================================================================

TOPIC: Space Station: Hollywood vs. Reality

For an example of Hollywood vs. reality, see
<https://wandering.shop/@cstross/111544578799536542>

===================================================================

TOPIC: Saturn Awards Finalists

A full list of the finalists for the Saturn Awards is too long to
include here and can be found at
<https://file770.com/2023-saturn-awards-nominations/>.

The Saturn Awards have been presented each year since 1972 by the
Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films and the
winners will be revealed during a ceremony to be streamed from Los
Angeles on February 4, 2024.

===================================================================

TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 13 (film reviews by Mark R. Leeper and
Evelyn C. Leeper)

This is the thirteenth batch of mini-reviews, all science fiction.

WESTWORLD (1973): WESTWORLD is an older film (it was released 50
years ago in October), but with all the current brouhaha about
artificial intelligence, it is certainly topical. In WESTWORLD,
the giveaway on who is a robot is the hands, which they cannot get
just right. That seems still to be a problem--one of the ways to
detect A.I.-generated photo-realistic images is that there are
often too many fingers, or out-of-proportion fingers. [-ecl]

Released theatrically 24 October 1973. Rating: +2 (-4 to +4), or
7/10.

Film Credits:
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070909/reference>

What others are saying:
<https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/westworld>

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE--DEAD RECKONING PART 1 (2023): MISSION
IMPOSSIBLE--DEAD RECKONING PART 1 reminds me of "Macbeth".

In particular, it reminds me of Act V, Scene 5: "It is a tale told
by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

There are a lot of chases and stunts, but so far as I can tell they
merely serve to 1) provide a whole lot of adrenaline rush for the
audience that likes that sort of thing, and 2) provide a way to pad
out the film so people will have to pay to see how it ends in part
two. Also, the "science" of the "rogue AI" seems far too advanced
for something taking place now.

And I want more Benji (Simon Pegg) and Luther (Ving Rhames).

As they say, this is the sort of thing you'll like if you like this
sort of thing. [-ecl]

Released theatrically 10 July 2023. Rating: low +2 (-4 to +4), or
7/10.

Film Credits:
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9603212/reference>

What others are saying:
<https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/
mission_impossible_dead_reckoning_part_one>

BIOSPHERE (2023): In BIOSPHERE, there has been some sort of
world-wide disaster, and Billy and Ray are the last survivors,
living in a biosphere with a bunch of fish for food. The quantity
of fish looks totally insufficient for them. Billy used to be was
President, but doesn't look old enough. (Actually, the actor is
47, and the minimum age for President is only 35, but the character
looks--and acts--much younger.)

When the last female fish dies, threatening their on-going food
supply, one of the male fish changes to female. Ray talks about
"Life will find a way" and all that, and pretty soon Billy is
starting to change as well.

There is a lot of stuff about sex and gender, none of it
particularly profound, and the thought that these two people are
going to re-populate the earth is pretty scary in itself.
(Apparently neither has heard that the minimum population to
reproduce successfully is close to a hundred, not two.) [-ecl]

Released streaming 7 July 2023. Rating: high 0 (-4 to +4), or 5/10.

Film Credits:
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15301000/reference>

What others are saying:
<https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/biosphere>

===================================================================

TOPIC: THE ROAD TO ROSWELL by Connie Willis (copyright 2023, Random
House Audio, 14 hours, ASIN: B0BJ4M36YM, narrated by Jesse
Vilinsky) (audio book review by Joe Karpierz)

Long time fans of Connie Willis know that she is one of the few
writers that can pull off humor in science fiction (another that
comes to mind is John Scalzi). With a title like THE ROAD TO
ROSWELL, readers can't help but believe this is going to be
something more light and and funny than her serious works--THE
DOOMSDAY BOOK, for example--and they'd be correct.

Francie is going to Roswell for her college roommate's wedding to a
UFO enthusiast (I mean, where else would a UFO enthusiast get
married). They've been friends forever, and Francie has always
been there to talk Serena out of making big relationship mistakes.
Francie is once again going to try to do just that. After all,
aliens and UFOs aren't real, and what happened at Roswell is just
as made up as what happened at Area 51. So Francie arrives in
town, and meets Serena at the Roswell alien museum to start either
a) planning for the weekend's festivities, or b) hopefully try to
talk Serena out of yet another relationship that is sure to fail.
Serena has Francie try on her bridesmaid dress, and then sends
Francie out to her car to retrieve some decorations that need to be
put up in the museum.

So, what happens? It's obvious, isn't it? Francie gets abducted
by an alien. This alien doesn't look like what we all expect
aliens to look like. No, this alien is a tumbleweed with
tentacles, and it makes itself very clear to Francie that it wants
her to drive the car out of town toward...where, exactly? That's
the initial question out of this abduction. Well, where and why?

As the story unfolds, Francie and the alien pick up Wade,
essentially a hitchhiker; Lyle, a UFO enthusiast who is all bluster
about aliens until he learns that he has just been added to the
party of humans that has been abducted by a real alien; Eula Mae,
an elderly woman who goes from casino to casino to gamble a bit and
eat at the free buffets; and Joseph, a Western movie enthusiast who
is touring places of the Old West in his RV which he calls a
"Western trail wagon". Together the gang drive around New Mexico
and Las Vegas--at the direction of Indy, so named by Francie and
Wade because of his whip-like tentacles--trying to get Indy where
he needs to go while all teaching him English, listening to Lyle
spout alien conspiracy theories, Joseph talk about his Western
movies, and Wade being, well, mysterious. So what we have is an
alien abduction road movie in a book, complete with romance, humor,
and a number of people who are not quite what they seem to be.
Several of the group each have something in their background that
spice up the mystery of Indy and the tumbleweed aliens.

This is Connie Willis having fun with her work. The dialog is
witty and funny, and the story mostly moves along. There are
sections of the novel that drag a bit in which the gang is trying
to teach Indy English. Those sections are funny but tedious at
times, but once Indy learns enough English to get by--and his
method of communicating with humans is different--the story moves
along at a breakneck pace, all the while not losing any of the
traits that make it a joy to read. There are a few things that
make you scratch your head, maybe making the reader ask themselves
"now wait a minute, how did that work?", but given the nature of
the story, it's easy to let those slip by.

Narrator Jesse Vilinsky does a serviceable job with the novel. Her
reading did not take me out of the story, either with her voice,
tone, or pronunciation. I've listened to a few novels recently
where I was jolted out of the story when I knew that a word was
pronounced a particular way. I didn't have that problem here,
which is a good thing. On the other hand, there was nothing in
Vilinsky's narration style that I would consider outstanding or
noteworthy. And yes, one of these days I'll get a handle on how to
better review book narrators. Today is not that day.


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In
Message-ID:<025d33c3-e62a-4af9-b747-ac1934b5daa3n@googlegroups.com>,
"eleeper@optonline.net" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

>We are in a science fiction (and some fantasy) book discussion
>group which is a "Movie and Book" group.
<snip>
>Any suggestions? A list of what we have done so far can be found
>at <http://mtsf.c1.biz/seen.htm>. [-ecl]

Mostly fantasy, and in no particular order. Note: I don't necessarily
recommend any of these as being enjoyable (nor have I even
read/watched all of them).

Wizard of Oz vs. Wonderful Wizard of Oz by Baum

The Wiz vs. Wonderful Wizard of Oz by Baum

Tin Man (miniseries) vs. Wonderful Wizard of Oz by Baum

Jumper vs. Jumper and/or Jumper (Griffin's Story) by Gould
(The movie was so different from the book that Gould wrote the latter
based on the movie.)

Who Framed Roger Rabbit vs. Who Censored Roger Rabbit by Wolf

Neverending Story vs. book by Ende

Hunger Games (et seq.) vs. books by Collins

Picture of Dorian Gray vs. story by Wilde

Jumanji vs. book by Allsburg

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On Dec 18, 2023, Paul Dormer wrote
(in article<memo.20231218113242.8988A@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>):

> In article<025d33c3-e62a-4af9-b747-ac1934b5daa3n@googlegroups.com>,
> evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
>
> > THE MT VOID
> > 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306
>
> This is the first MT VOID to come through on Usenet for ages. Whatever
> you've done, it worked.

Hmm. My feed has all the MT VOIDs, in numerical order, since 1757 in June
2013.And I can’t go further back than that because Supernews does’t seem
to have anything older.

Which ones are you missing?

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 by: Gary McGath - Mon, 18 Dec 2023 15:17 UTC

On 12/18/23 6:32 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
> In article <025d33c3-e62a-4af9-b747-ac1934b5daa3n@googlegroups.com>,
> evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
>
>> THE MT VOID
>> 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306
>
> This is the first MT VOID to come through on Usenet for ages. Whatever
> you've done, it worked.

I've seen all or most of them on this newsgroup.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>On 12/18/23 6:32 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
>> In article <025d33c3-e62a-4af9-b747-ac1934b5daa3n@googlegroups.com>,
>> evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
>>
>>> THE MT VOID
>>> 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306
>>
>> This is the first MT VOID to come through on Usenet for ages. Whatever
>> you've done, it worked.
>
>I've seen all or most of them on this newsgroup.

Again, a lot of sites ditch posts from Google, so you can't really expect
reliable distribution for anything posted from there.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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In
Message-ID:<025d33c3-e62a-4af9-b747-ac1934b5daa3n@googlegroups.com>,
"eleeper@optonline.net" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

>We are in a science fiction (and some fantasy) book discussion
>group which is a "Movie and Book" group.
<snip>
>Any suggestions? A list of what we have done so far can be found
>at <http://mtsf.c1.biz/seen.htm>. [-ecl]

If you have machine-readable versions of movie review books, you
could search through them. Leonard Maltin uses "sci-fi". I got as far
as "Breakfast of Champions" (book by Vonnegut) before I bailed out.
Too much work for someone who's not actually part of the discussion
group.

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 by: Evelyn C. Leeper - Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:34 UTC

On 12/18/23 8:34 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>> On 12/18/23 6:32 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
>>> In article <025d33c3-e62a-4af9-b747-ac1934b5daa3n@googlegroups.com>,
>>> evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
>>>
>>>> THE MT VOID
>>>> 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306
>>>
>>> This is the first MT VOID to come through on Usenet for ages. Whatever
>>> you've done, it worked.
>>
>> I've seen all or most of them on this newsgroup.
>
> Again, a lot of sites ditch posts from Google, so you can't really expect
> reliable distribution for anything posted from there.
> --scott

Well, if this gets through, I've managed to set up Eternal September as
my feed, and can read/post through Thunderbird (my email reader).

I will therefore continue to post to rec.art.sf.fandom. I make no
guarantees about what various news servers do and do not get. Just know
that the MT VOIDs are also posted to my web site (see below) and to
fanac.org, both of which go back several years.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn, @eleeper@mastodon.social
Musk cares about the border because "the border" is a publicly-
acceptable euphemism for white supremacy. [@passenger@mastodon.social]

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:17 UTC

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 11:34:37 -0500
"Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

[]
>
> Well, if this gets through, I've managed to set up Eternal September as
> my feed, and can read/post through Thunderbird (my email reader).
>
Super!

> I will therefore continue to post to rec.art.sf.fandom. I make no
> guarantees about what various news servers do and do not get. Just know
> that the MT VOIDs are also posted to my web site (see below) and to
> fanac.org, both of which go back several years.
>

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Gary McGath - Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:34 UTC

On 12/22/23 11:34 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

> Well, if this gets through, I've managed to set up Eternal September as
> my feed, and can read/post through Thunderbird (my email reader).
>
> I will therefore continue to post to rec.art.sf.fandom.  I make no
> guarantees about what various news servers do and do not get.  Just know
> that the MT VOIDs are also posted to my web site (see below) and to
> fanac.org, both of which go back several years.

I'm seeing it. Also using Eternal September, which doubtless improved
the odds.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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 by: WolfFan - Fri, 22 Dec 2023 22:45 UTC

On Dec 22, 2023, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote
(in article <um4dqt$1kp8t$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 12/18/23 8:34 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
> > > On 12/18/23 6:32 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
> > > > In article<025d33c3-e62a-4af9-b747-ac1934b5daa3n@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > THE MT VOID
> > > > > 12/15/23 -- Vol. 42, No. 24, Whole Number 2306
> > > >
> > > > This is the first MT VOID to come through on Usenet for ages. Whatever
> > > > you've done, it worked.
> > >
> > > I've seen all or most of them on this newsgroup.
> >
> > Again, a lot of sites ditch posts from Google, so you can't really expect
> > reliable distribution for anything posted from there.
> > --scott
>
> Well, if this gets through, I've managed to set up Eternal September as
> my feed, and can read/post through Thunderbird (my email reader).

it’s visible via Supernews.
>
>
> I will therefore continue to post to rec.art.sf.fandom. I make no
> guarantees about what various news servers do and do not get. Just know
> that the MT VOIDs are also posted to my web site (see below) and to
> fanac.org, both of which go back several years.

most feeds take ES posts.

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