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 by: RWC - Mon, 18 Mar 2024 21:55 UTC

Ronnie Dio {Italian; Cortland NY} And The Red Caps - An Angel is
Missing [Seneca 178-102 A;;Syracuse NY] - 1960

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8Z_aiCu6I

there are 9+ postings of this record on YouTube but it is rare
nevertheless - a fact partly supported by Geoff having no copies in
his digital collection and none of the postings (according to
snippets) have very good audio quality

a posting of this record by "ray315kid" has had 707,000 views,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew8MUT00aK0

Born Ronald James Padavona in 1942, Ronnie later became more
famous as a heavy metal singer with Black Sabbath ("Heaven and Hell"
album in 1980) and with Dio ("Holy Diver" album in 1983). Over time
Ronnie played in many bands and is considered to be one of rocks
greatest ever vocalists. Ronnie James Dio BIO:
https://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/2021/07/ronnie-james-dio-autobiography-chronicles-his-life-from-cortland-trumpeter-to-international-rock-star.html

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 by: Bruce - Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:19 UTC

It's not good, it's horrid teen idol type shit. And nobody around here cares about his heavy metal days.

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 by: RWC - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 01:10 UTC

On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:19:57 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

>It's not good, it's horrid teen idol type shit.

Middle-America would likely disagree with you, Bruce.

What does harmony fan Bill think?
What does Jim think?
....

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 by: Bruce - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:26 UTC

RWC wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:19:57 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

>>It's not good, it's horrid teen idol type shit.

> Middle-America would likely disagree with you, Bruce.

> What does harmony fan Bill think?
> What does Jim think?

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 by: Roger - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:34 UTC

RWC wrote:

> Ronnie Dio {Italian; Cortland NY} And The Red Caps - An Angel is
> Missing [Seneca 178-102 A;;Syracuse NY] - 1960

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8Z_aiCu6I

> there are 9+ postings of this record on YouTube but it is rare
> nevertheless - a fact partly supported by Geoff having no copies in
> his digital collection and none of the postings (according to
> snippets) have very good audio quality

> a posting of this record by "ray315kid" has had 707,000 views,
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew8MUT00aK0

> Born Ronald James Padavona in 1942, Ronnie later became more
> famous as a heavy metal singer with Black Sabbath ("Heaven and Hell"
> album in 1980) and with Dio ("Holy Diver" album in 1983). Over time
> Ronnie played in many bands and is considered to be one of rocks
> greatest ever vocalists. Ronnie James Dio BIO:
> https://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/2021/07/ronnie-james-dio-autobiography-chronicles-his-life-from-cortland-trumpeter-to-international-rock-star.html

Firstly I don't like it at all - just ordinary teen shlock that I'd never play a second time

Secondly it can't be near as rare as you say since I've seen copies several times at different locations during various US trips

Thirdly the "What'd I Say" on the flip is every bit as dire as someone who hasn't heard it might imagine

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 by: Jim Colegrove - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:53 UTC

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:26:17 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

>RWC wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:19:57 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
>
>>>It's not good, it's horrid teen idol type shit.
>
>> Middle-America would likely disagree with you, Bruce.
>
>> What does harmony fan Bill think?
>> What does Jim think?

Not so hot.

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 by: Bruce - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:08 UTC

Roger wrote:

> Thirdly the "What'd I Say" on the flip is every bit as dire as someone who hasn't heard it might imagine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXToYxaxKqg

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 by: RWC - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 21:14 UTC

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 06:53:07 -0500, Jim Colegrove
<coolg@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:26:17 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
>
>>RWC wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:19:57 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
>>
>>>>It's not good, it's horrid teen idol type shit.
>>
>>> Middle-America would likely disagree with you, Bruce.
>>
>>> What does harmony fan Bill think?
>>> What does Jim think?
>
>Not so hot.

Thanks. But that doesn't necessarily mean you think it's horrible.

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 by: RWC - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 21:31 UTC

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:34:20 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
wrote:

>RWC wrote:
>
>
>> Ronnie Dio {Italian; Cortland NY} And The Red Caps - An Angel is
>> Missing [Seneca 178-102 A;;Syracuse NY] - 1960
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8Z_aiCu6I
>
>Firstly I don't like it at all - just ordinary teen shlock that I'd never play a second time
>
>Secondly it can't be near as rare as you say since I've seen copies several times at different locations during various US trips
>
How did it chart?
I'd like to hear a VG 45 or CD studio copy and compare with YT
postings. Perhaps the Seneca label issued 45s with suspect audio
quality?

>Thirdly the "What'd I Say" on the flip is every bit as dire as someone who hasn't heard it might imagine

I haven't even attempted to hear this. I've presumed it's the RC song
which I'm not keen on - I do very much like some of RC's other sides
(eg Lonely Avenue).

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 by: RWC - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 23:23 UTC

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:34:20 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
wrote:

>RWC wrote:
>
>
>> Ronnie Dio {Italian; Cortland NY} And The Red Caps - An Angel is
>> Missing [Seneca 178-102 A;;Syracuse NY] - 1960
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8Z_aiCu6I
>
>Firstly I don't like it at all - just ordinary teen shlock that I'd never play a second time
>
Roger, imo it's not ordinary, yet alone shlock - a word of Yiddish
origin no doubt aimed at impressing your decades long pals Bruce,
Diane, and Mark.

Among countless teen cusp records, "An Angel is Missing" is not just
GOOD, it's relatively GREAT :-)

Roger, your tastes are influenced by your background - semi-black
working-class - meaning you just don't relate to the musical tastes of
white folk with a middle-class upbringing who can afford the luxury of
being 'idealistically dreamy' when listening to music.

In "An Angel is Missing" it's ethereal dreaminess is greatly advanced
by that background female chorus.

By the way, from what I gather from history, it was mainly young men
from the Brit middle-class who bravely piloted the Spitfires and
Hurricanes that defeated the German Luftwaffe in The Battle Of Britain
in World War II. (Yes, there were also many brave pilots from allied
nations, eg Poles, in the RAF at the same time).
What I'm suggesting, is that many of these fighter pilots would have
liked "An Angel is Missing", so to speak.

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