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* Derry Hart and The Hartbeats [Decca 11138] - 1959RWC
`* Re: Derry Hart and The Hartbeats [Decca 11138] - 1959Roger
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 by: RWC - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 22:52 UTC

Nowhere In This World /
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJdRQDtLMA
pleasant rock ballad

Come On Baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTPfIZsqls
frantic and great, late fifties rock 'n' roll that has been lost in
the mists of time

John Barry, as 'Johnny Prendy' fills in with the backing

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From: mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
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Subject: Re: Derry Hart and The Hartbeats [Decca 11138] - 1959
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 by: Roger - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:54 UTC

RWC wrote:

> Nowhere In This World /
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJdRQDtLMA
> pleasant rock ballad

> Come On Baby
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTPfIZsqls
> frantic and great, late fifties rock 'n' roll that has been lost in
> the mists of time

> John Barry, as 'Johnny Prendy' fills in with the backing

Weak and watery UK teen pop from this one-record group from South London

The "Johnny Prendy" = John Barry producer is of course the same guy who later gave us the original James Bond theme plus other movie themes

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 by: RWC - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:08 UTC

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:54:20 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
wrote:

>RWC wrote:
>
>
>> Nowhere In This World /
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJdRQDtLMA
>> pleasant rock ballad
>
>> Come On Baby
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTPfIZsqls
>> frantic and great, late fifties rock 'n' roll that has been lost in
>> the mists of time
>
>> John Barry, as 'Johnny Prendy' fills in with the backing
>
>Weak and watery UK teen pop from this one-record group from South London

"weak and watery UK pop" better describes one of Roger's UK
likes, Helen Shapiro's "You Don’t Know" from 1961:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCNyAnpoUA8
14-year-old Shapiro came from the Victoria (Vicky) Park area of
Hackney, on the Parkside Estate, East London; her parents were
too poor to own a record player (she had to borrow a neighbor's
player to hear her first single). I believe Roger, at this time, lived
in East London :)

By Helen Shapiro, I much prefer, greatly helped by the percussion,
"I Don't Care": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIfe1eh2dfo

Shapiro's charting career was over by the time she reached 17 -
she appeared "old-fashioned and emblematic of the pre-Beatles era of
the 1950s."

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 by: RWC - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:59 UTC

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:54:20 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
wrote:

>RWC wrote:
>
>
>> Nowhere In This World /
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJdRQDtLMA
>> pleasant rock ballad
>
>> Come On Baby
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTPfIZsqls
>> frantic and great, late fifties rock 'n' roll that has been lost in
>> the mists of time
>
>Weak and watery UK teen pop from this one-record group from South London

Roger, sadly, I think you have lost some credibility with your
misjudged socio-political attack.

Clearly, 'Come On Baby' is not "weak and watery",
and even the ballad is substantial enough.

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 by: Bruce - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:05 UTC

RWC wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:54:20 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
> wrote:

>>RWC wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Nowhere In This World /
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJdRQDtLMA
>>> pleasant rock ballad
>>
>>> Come On Baby
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTPfIZsqls
>>> frantic and great, late fifties rock 'n' roll that has been lost in
>>> the mists of time
>>
>>Weak and watery UK teen pop from this one-record group from South London

> Roger, sadly, I think you have lost some credibility with your
> misjudged socio-political attack.

> Clearly, 'Come On Baby' is not "weak and watery",
> and even the ballad is substantial enough.

I'm with Roger on this one.

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 by: Roger - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:30 UTC

RWC wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:54:20 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
> wrote:

>>RWC wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Nowhere In This World /
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJdRQDtLMA
>>> pleasant rock ballad
>>
>>> Come On Baby
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTPfIZsqls
>>> frantic and great, late fifties rock 'n' roll that has been lost in
>>> the mists of time
>>
>>Weak and watery UK teen pop from this one-record group from South London

> Roger, sadly, I think you have lost some credibility with your
> misjudged socio-political attack.

I don't know where your silly "socio-political" angle comes in with my very simple to understand opinion of the performance.

I leave that all that kind of background psychobabble to you as it seems to fascinate you so much

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 by: Roger - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:55 UTC

RWC wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:54:20 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
> wrote:

>>RWC wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Nowhere In This World /
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJdRQDtLMA
>>> pleasant rock ballad
>>
>>> Come On Baby
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTPfIZsqls
>>> frantic and great, late fifties rock 'n' roll that has been lost in
>>> the mists of time
>>
>>> John Barry, as 'Johnny Prendy' fills in with the backing
>>
>>Weak and watery UK teen pop from this one-record group from South London

> "weak and watery UK pop" better describes one of Roger's UK
> likes, Helen Shapiro's "You Don’t Know" from 1961:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCNyAnpoUA8
> 14-year-old Shapiro came from the Victoria (Vicky) Park area of
> Hackney, on the Parkside Estate, East London; her parents were
> too poor to own a record player (she had to borrow a neighbor's
> player to hear her first single). I believe Roger, at this time, lived
> in East London :)

Correct! I lived at that time in East London--and in a worse section than Hackney BTW.Spending many happy years there

Why is that relevant?

I assume you got the above info from Wikipedia in which case you should also have noted that AllMusic described her voice as "possessing "the maturity and sensibilities of someone far beyond their teen years"

"You Don't Know" was also a pretty strong song that would not have disgraced Brenda Lee

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