On 1/20/2024 7:46 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> {snip}
>>>>
>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified
>>>>>> under 14.3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>
>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>> to judicial review.
>>>
>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>
>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>
> The requirement of insurrection would require criminal charges and
> conviction.

No.

Why are you still clinging to an obviously wrong belief?

On 1/20/2024 7:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified
>>>>>>>> under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>
>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>
>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>> through incitement."
>
> When was he criminally charged and convicted?

Not needed.

In article <5eTqN.116701$q3F7.94114@fx45.iad>, banmilk@hotmail.com
says...
>
> On 1/20/2024 4:50 AM, scooter lied:
>
> >
> >
> > "Wilson Woods" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:f6HqN.211867$Ama9.108404@fx12.iad...
> >> On 1/18/2024 8:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
> >>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> {snip}
> >>>>
> >>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified
> >>>>>> under 14.3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh?  How so?
> >>>>> I read 14.3.  I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
> >>>>> accusation being sufficient.
> >>>>>    -WBE  [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
> >>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
> >>>> to judicial review.
> >>>
> >>> Trump was tried in Colorado for an insurrection that happened in DC?
> >>
> >> No, idiot. Trump was not tried. A civil suit, pursuant to Colorado law, was
> >> filed in Colorado to keep him off the ballot in that state, pursuant to 14.3.
> >> The Colorado court meticulously reviewed what constitutes insurrection and
> >> engagement in one, and concluded that the event of 01/06/2021 was an
> >> insurrection and that Trump engaged in it. Trump was not on trial.
> >
> > Further I would note that NO INDIVIDUAL has EVER been charged with Insurrection
> > for the events on Jan 6th.
>
> People have been tried and convicted for a more serious charge than
> insurrection. It was an insurrection regardless of whether anyone is charged and
> convicted of statutory insurrection. Insurrection is not just a statutory crime
> ? it is a description of an event. The storming of Congress by Nazis on
> 01/06/2021 was an insurrection.
>
> > so there has never been a legal finding of facts on
> > this matter and
>
> That's false. Judge Wallace meticulously examined what constitutes an in
> insurrection and concluded one occurred on 01/06/2021. She is correct.
>
> > How can you have an insurrection.. if no one has been shown to have engaged in
> > insurrection?
>
> People, including Trump, have been shown to have engaged in insurrection.

No charges. If they are in jail how come Trump isn't?

In article <eeTqN.116709$q3F7.66677@fx45.iad>,
another.loser@terrells.pals says...
>
> On 1/20/2024 7:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> > <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> >>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
> >>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> {snip}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified
> >>>>>>>> under 14.3.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh? How so?
> >>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
> >>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
> >>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
> >>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
> >>>>>> to judicial review.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
> >>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
> >>>>
> >>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
> >>>
> >>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
> >>
> >> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
> >> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
> >> through incitement."
> >
> > When was he criminally charged and convicted?
>
> Not needed.

Then why were the other people?

On 1/20/2024 9:40 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <eeTqN.116709$q3F7.66677@fx45.iad>,
> another.loser@terrells.pals says...
>>
>> On 1/20/2024 7:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified
>>>>>>>>>> under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>>>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>>
>>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>>
>>>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>>> through incitement."
>>>
>>> When was he criminally charged and convicted?
>>
>> Not needed.
>
> Then why were the other people?

Because powerful criminal cases were made against them, and they were found guilty.

Powerful criminal cases *are* being prosecuted against Trump, and he will be
found guilty and sent to prison, where he will die.

On 1/20/2024 9:38 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <5eTqN.116701$q3F7.94114@fx45.iad>, banmilk@hotmail.com
> says...
>>
>> On 1/20/2024 4:50 AM, scooter lied:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Wilson Woods" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:f6HqN.211867$Ama9.108404@fx12.iad...
>>>> On 1/18/2024 8:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified
>>>>>>>> under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh?  How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3.  I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>    -WBE  [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump was tried in Colorado for an insurrection that happened in DC?
>>>>
>>>> No, idiot. Trump was not tried. A civil suit, pursuant to Colorado law, was
>>>> filed in Colorado to keep him off the ballot in that state, pursuant to 14.3.
>>>> The Colorado court meticulously reviewed what constitutes insurrection and
>>>> engagement in one, and concluded that the event of 01/06/2021 was an
>>>> insurrection and that Trump engaged in it. Trump was not on trial.
>>>
>>> Further I would note that NO INDIVIDUAL has EVER been charged with Insurrection
>>> for the events on Jan 6th.
>>
>> People have been tried and convicted for a more serious charge than
>> insurrection. It was an insurrection regardless of whether anyone is charged and
>> convicted of statutory insurrection. Insurrection is not just a statutory crime
>> ? it is a description of an event. The storming of Congress by Nazis on
>> 01/06/2021 was an insurrection.
>>
>>> so there has never been a legal finding of facts on
>>> this matter and
>>
>> That's false. Judge Wallace meticulously examined what constitutes an in
>> insurrection and concluded one occurred on 01/06/2021. She is correct.
>>
>>> How can you have an insurrection.. if no one has been shown to have engaged in
>>> insurrection?
>>
>> People, including Trump, have been shown to have engaged in insurrection.
>
> No charges.

False.

NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:pkqnqipub51mm9b1ao92qgkvmi4h5pbqh6@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> {snip}
>>>>
>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>
>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There
>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>
>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>
>>14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>
> The requirement of insurrection would require criminal charges and
> conviction.

Nope - look at the history: NONE of those barred after the 14th was
passed were convicted of insurrection.

>
> Why are you still arguing against the obvious?
>

Why are you ignoring those conservative lawyers/judges/Constituional
Scholars that say conviction is not required?

NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:epqnqi5b5n5duvovfirmifl7v3aje6e8ud@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There
>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>
>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>
>>The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>through incitement."
>
> When was he criminally charged and convicted? A trial without charges
> or arrest? Wow, what is it you advocate?
>

Tens of thousands of Confederates were barred from office even though
they were never convicted and in fact had been pardoned.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>
>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>
>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>
>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>
>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>
>The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>through incitement."

Was he indicted? Was he booked? Did he attend? Face his accusers? Was he represented
by counsel who argued his case for him.

Unless all these criteria were met, said trial was a kangaroo court, irrelevant and
powerless.

Swill
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In <2iipqi1uosepc9kum92kbbj7j68jhrc734@4ax.com>
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:>
>>On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
<noway@nowhere.com> wrote:>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret
as mere
>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>> -WBE IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation.
There was a
>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
is subject
>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those
charges. A
>>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>
>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>
>>The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a
trial
>>and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>through incitement."
>
> Was he indicted? Was he booked? Did he attend? Face his
accusers? Was he represented
> by counsel who argued his case for him.
>
> Unless all these criteria were met, said trial was a kangaroo
court, irrelevant and
> powerless.

The FBI said he didn't, a majority of Congress said he didn't.

The only weiners saying he did are some goofballs who would try to
force the sun to rise in the West.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29B2UT/
Trump calls for peace, tells protesters to go home

On 2024-01-21, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>
>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>
>>The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>through incitement."
>
> Was he indicted? Was he booked? Did he attend? Face his accusers? Was he represented
> by counsel who argued his case for him.
>
> Unless all these criteria were met, said trial was a kangaroo court, irrelevant and
> powerless.
>
> Swill

+1000

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 23:52:50 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
<bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

>NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
>news:epqnqi5b5n5duvovfirmifl7v3aje6e8ud@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There
>>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
>>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>
>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>
>>>The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>>and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>>through incitement."
>>
>> When was he criminally charged and convicted? A trial without charges
>> or arrest? Wow, what is it you advocate?
>>
>
>Tens of thousands of Confederates were barred from office even though
>they were never convicted and in fact had been pardoned.

Who were these "tens of thousands"?

On 1/20/2024 11:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>
>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>
>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>> through incitement."
>
> Was he indicted? Was he booked? Did he attend? Face his accusers? Was he represented
> by counsel who argued his case for him.
>
> Unless all these criteria were met, said trial was a kangaroo court, irrelevant and
> powerless.

A civil trial requires no indictment nor booking. He had the right to
attend, although I don't think he did (his choice). He was represented
by counsel who argued the case, called their own witnesses, and
cross-examined witnesses who testified against Trump.

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2iipqi1uosepc9kum92kbbj7j68jhrc734@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There
>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>
>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>
>>The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>through incitement."
>
> Was he indicted? Was he booked? Did he attend? Face his accusers?
> Was he represented by counsel who argued his case for him.
>
> Unless all these criteria were met, said trial was a kangaroo court,
> irrelevant and powerless.
>
Where in 14.3 does it say anything about convicted or even indicted?
Show us the exact quote.

NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:sfgqqilvl3rij61l4afqlvvf7pdun7jahp@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 23:52:50 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>news:epqnqi5b5n5duvovfirmifl7v3aje6e8ud@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation.
There
>>>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's
decision
>>>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>>
>>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>>
>>>>The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>>>and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>>>through incitement."
>>>
>>> When was he criminally charged and convicted? A trial without
charges
>>> or arrest? Wow, what is it you advocate?
>>>
>>
>>Tens of thousands of Confederates were barred from office even though
>>they were never convicted and in fact had been pardoned.
>
> Who were these "tens of thousands"?
>

What?!! You want names?!! from 150 years ago?!!

Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:uojhci$86i3$4@dont-email.me:

> On 1/20/2024 11:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation.
>>>>>>> There was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's
>>>>>>> decision is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>
>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>
>>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a
>>> trial and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6,
>>> 2021 through incitement."
>>
>> Was he indicted? Was he booked? Did he attend? Face his accusers?
>> Was he represented by counsel who argued his case for him.
>>
>> Unless all these criteria were met, said trial was a kangaroo court,
>> irrelevant and powerless.
>
> A civil trial requires no indictment nor booking. He had the right to
> attend, although I don't think he did (his choice). He was represented
> by counsel who argued the case, called their own witnesses, and
> cross-examined witnesses who testified against Trump.
>
>

Nowhere in the 14th amandment section 3 does it say anything about
conviction or even indictment.

Historially, none of the Confederates barred from office were tried for
insurrection.

NoBody wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 23:52:50 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> news:epqnqi5b5n5duvovfirmifl7v3aje6e8ud@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There
>>>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
>>>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>>
>>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>>
>>>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>>> through incitement."
>>>
>>> When was he criminally charged and convicted? A trial without charges
>>> or arrest? Wow, what is it you advocate?
>>>
>>
>> Tens of thousands of Confederates were barred from office even though
>> they were never convicted and in fact had been pardoned.
>
> Who were these "tens of thousands"?
>

Stupidity limit reached.

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Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in news:uojmva$aia3$3@dont-
email.me:

> NoBody wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 23:52:50 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>> news:epqnqi5b5n5duvovfirmifl7v3aje6e8ud@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation.
There
>>>>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's
decision
>>>>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>>>
>>>>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a
trial
>>>>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>>>> through incitement."
>>>>
>>>> When was he criminally charged and convicted? A trial without
charges
>>>> or arrest? Wow, what is it you advocate?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tens of thousands of Confederates were barred from office even though
>>> they were never convicted and in fact had been pardoned.
>>
>> Who were these "tens of thousands"?
>>
>
> Stupidity limit reached.
>
===============
At least eight public officials have been formally adjudicated to be
disqualified and barred from public office under Section 3 of the
Fourteenth Amendment since its ratification in 1868.

Section 3, also known as the Disqualification Clause, has gained new
relevance in the wake of the January 6th insurrection, when a violent mob
that then-President Trump summoned and urged to �fight like hell� seized
the United States Capitol to disrupt the peaceful transition of power.
Adopted after the Civil War to protect American democracy from those who
sought to destroy it, Section 3 disqualifies from office anyone who swore
an oath to support the Constitution as a federal or state officer and
then engaged in insurrection or rebellion against it, unless Congress
removes the disqualification by a two-thirds vote.

CREW analyzed historical records to identify all public officials who a
court, legislature, or other body determined to have been disqualified
under Section 3. The list includes six officials aligned with the
Confederacy who held office after the Civil War, as well as former New
Mexico County Commissioner Couy Griffin, who a state court removed from
office last year based on his participation in the January 6th
insurrection following a lawsuit CREW brought on behalf of three New
Mexico residents.

Section 3 adjudications against former Confederates were rare in the
aftermath of the Civil War. That is because it was widely understood that
former Confederates who took an oath to support the Constitution before
the Civil War were disqualified under Section 3 and therefore many likely
did not seek office in the first place. In fact, ex-Confederates flooded
Congress with thousands of amnesty requests to �remove� their Section 3
disqualification, demonstrating that they understood themselves to be
disqualified even without a formal adjudication. In addition, the window
for disqualifying ex-Confederates was small: the Fourteenth Amendment was
ratified on July 9, 1868, and Congress removed the Section 3
disqualification for most ex-Confederates less than four years later in
the Amnesty Act of May 22, 1872 (that statute withheld amnesty from
Confederate leaders such as Jefferson Davis). So while only eight
officials have been formally ruled to be disqualified under Section 3,
thousands more were understood to be disqualified in the period between
the Fourteenth Amendment�s ratification in 1868 and Congress�s passage
of the Amnesty Act in 1872 that applied to former Confederates.

Historical precedent also confirms that a criminal conviction is not
required for an individual to be disqualified under Section 3 of the
Fourteenth Amendment. No one who has been formally disqualified under
Section 3 was charged under the criminal �rebellion or insurrection�
statute (18 U.S.C. � 2383) or its predecessors. This fact is consistent
with Section 3�s text, legislative history, and precedent, all of which
make clear that a criminal conviction for any offense is not required for
disqualification. Section 3 is not a criminal penalty, but rather is a
qualification for holding public office in the United States that can be
and has been enforced through civil lawsuits in state courts, among other
means.

more...
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-
reports/past-14th-amendment-disqualifications/

=============
And though it�s true that Mr. Trump hasn�t been charged with the crime of
insurrection, neither were the tens of thousands of former Confederate
officials barred from holding future U.S. office by the 14th Amendment.
Criminal guilt was never the deciding factor, only a finding of fact that
the person had served the Confederacy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/19/14th-amendment-
argument-trump/

On 1/21/2024 8:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 23:52:50 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> news:epqnqi5b5n5duvovfirmifl7v3aje6e8ud@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There
>>>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
>>>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>>
>>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>>
>>>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>>> through incitement."
>>>
>>> When was he criminally charged and convicted? A trial without charges
>>> or arrest? Wow, what is it you advocate?
>>>
>>
>> Tens of thousands of Confederates were barred from office even though
>> they were never convicted and in fact had been pardoned.
>
> Who were these "tens of thousands"?

    Section 3 adjudications against former Confederates were rare in the
    aftermath of the Civil War. That is because it was widely understood that
   former Confederates who took an oath to support the Constitution before the
   Civil War were disqualified under Section 3 and therefore many likely did not
   seek office in the first place. In fact, ex-Confederates flooded Congress
   with _thousands of amnesty requests_ [link in original] to “remove” their
   Section 3 disqualification, demonstrating that they understood themselves to
   be disqualified even without a formal adjudication. In addition, the window
   for disqualifying ex-Confederates was small: the Fourteenth Amendment was
   ratified on July 9, 1868, and Congress removed the Section 3 disqualification
   for most ex-Confederates less than four years later in the Amnesty Act of May
   22, 1872 (that statute withheld amnesty from Confederate leaders such as
   Jefferson Davis). So while only eight officials have been formally ruled to
   be disqualified under Section 3, thousands more were understood to be
   disqualified in the period between the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification
   in 1868 and Congress’s passage of the Amnesty Act in 1872 that applied to
   former Confederates.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/past-14th-amendment-disqualifications/

https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Confederate-Amnesty-Petitions-PI_0233_Select-Committee-on-Reconstruction-1867-71.pdf

Document at the second link has names. Read it.

On 1/20/2024 11:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>
>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>
>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>> through incitement."
>
> Was he indicted?

The hearing was civil.

> Was he booked?

It was a civil case.

> Did he attend?

Could have if he wished.

> Face his accusers?

There were none.

> Was he represented
> by counsel who argued his case for him.

Yes.

>
> Unless all these criteria were met,

No. Several of the criteria are inapplicable.

> said trial was a kangaroo court, irrelevant and powerless.

Wrong. The fraud trial in New York involved no indictment and no booking. It is
not a kangaroo court.

14.3 does not require a criminal conviction.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 12:24:31 -0800, David Hartung
<shithole.starkville@southern.traitors.r.us> wrote:

>On 1/21/2024 8:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 23:52:50 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>> news:epqnqi5b5n5duvovfirmifl7v3aje6e8ud@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>>>>>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>>>>>>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There
>>>>>>>>> was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision
>>>>>>>>> is subject to judicial review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>>>>>>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>>>
>>>>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>>>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>>>> through incitement."
>>>>
>>>> When was he criminally charged and convicted? A trial without charges
>>>> or arrest? Wow, what is it you advocate?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tens of thousands of Confederates were barred from office even though
>>> they were never convicted and in fact had been pardoned.
>>
>> Who were these "tens of thousands"?
>
>     Section 3 adjudications against former Confederates were rare in the
>     aftermath of the Civil War. That is because it was widely understood that
>    former Confederates who took an oath to support the Constitution before the
>    Civil War were disqualified under Section 3 and therefore many likely did not
>    seek office in the first place. In fact, ex-Confederates flooded Congress
>    with _thousands of amnesty requests_ [link in original] to “remove” their
>    Section 3 disqualification, demonstrating that they understood themselves to
>    be disqualified even without a formal adjudication. In addition, the window
>    for disqualifying ex-Confederates was small: the Fourteenth Amendment was
>    ratified on July 9, 1868, and Congress removed the Section 3 disqualification
>    for most ex-Confederates less than four years later in the Amnesty Act of May
>    22, 1872 (that statute withheld amnesty from Confederate leaders such as
>    Jefferson Davis). So while only eight officials have been formally ruled to
>    be disqualified under Section 3, thousands more were understood to be
>    disqualified in the period between the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification
>    in 1868 and Congress’s passage of the Amnesty Act in 1872 that applied to
>    former Confederates.
>
>https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/past-14th-amendment-disqualifications/
>
>https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Confederate-Amnesty-Petitions-PI_0233_Select-Committee-on-Reconstruction-1867-71.pdf
>
>Document at the second link has names. Read it.
>

Thanks, Rudy! Good job on that one!

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 08:39:44 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 1/20/2024 11:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:25:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/19/2024 5:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:20:26 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>>>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be disqualified under 14.3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>>>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as mere
>>>>>>>> accusation being sufficient.
>>>>>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation. There was a
>>>>>>> trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's decision is subject
>>>>>>> to judicial review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges. A
>>>>>> civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>>
>>>> No court of any kind has proved he's guilty of insurrection.
>>>
>>> The District Court of the City and County of Denver conducted a trial
>>> and held that "Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021
>>> through incitement."
>>
>> Was he indicted? Was he booked? Did he attend? Face his accusers? Was he represented
>> by counsel who argued his case for him.
>>
>> Unless all these criteria were met, said trial was a kangaroo court, irrelevant and
>> powerless.
>
>A civil trial requires no indictment nor booking. He had the right to
>attend, although I don't think he did (his choice). He was represented
>by counsel who argued the case, called their own witnesses, and
>cross-examined witnesses who testified against Trump.

Since your reference to this "trial" is the first I've heard of it, do you have any cites
to news reports about it?

Swill
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"Baxter" wrote in message news:uogon1$3nidm$3@dont-email.me...
>
>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>news:uofidb$3hpnh$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Baxter" wrote in message news:uoe5aa$36mvn$4@dont-email.me...
>>>
>
>>>============
>>>Conservative Case Emerges to Disqualify Trump for Role on Jan. 6
>>>
>>>Two law professors active in the Federalist Society wrote that the
>>>original meaning of the 14th Amendment makes Donald Trump ineligible
>>>to hold government office.
>>>
>>>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/10/us/trump-jan-6-insurrection-
>>>conservatives.html
>>>
>>>============
>>>
>>>You don't get more conservative than the Federalist Society.
>>>
>>
>> Did the law professors say that after leftists told them that Trump
>> told his supporters to be violent and overthrow the election and the
>> government, which he didn't?
>>
>>
>What?! you think conservative law professors can't evaluate the facts
>and make up their own minds?
>

These days you can't trust anyone to be unbiased.

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"Baxter" wrote in message news:uogoti$3nidm$5@dont-email.me...
>
>Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
>news:MPG.40157039e01cae24990def@usnews.blocknews.net:
>
>> In article <44GqN.151257$yEgf.67680@fx09.iad>, "because_\\shitbag
>> \\_was_taken"@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2024 1:54 PM, Andrea W, stupid lying Nazi troll whore, lied:
>>>
>>> > "Josh Rosenbluth" wrote in message
>>> > news:uoeb0q$37p4b$2@dont-email.me...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> >>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> >>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>> >>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> {snip}
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>> >>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Oh? How so?
>>> >>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret as
>>> >>>>> mere accusation being sufficient.
>>> >>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation.
>>> >>>> There was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's
>>> >>>> decision is subject to judicial review.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those charges.
>>> >>> A civil court can not determine if someone committed a crime.
>>> >>
>>> >> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Shouldn't the voters decide who should be disqualified and who they
>>> > want to vote for?
>>>
>>> No, just as the voters don't get to elect a naturalized citizen or
>>> someone age 26 to the presidency, Andrea, you stupid lying Nazi
>>> whore.
>>
>> You are way over the line. If you are qualified then the voters should
>> decide. Trump is qualified.
>>
>
>That's your "opinion", other more knowledgable people think otherwise.
>

Like other radical Dem voting leftists?

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On 21 Jan 2024, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> posted some
news:uokl4v$iqbq$1@dont-email.me:

> "Baxter" wrote in message news:uogoti$3nidm$5@dont-email.me...
>>
>>Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
>>news:MPG.40157039e01cae24990def@usnews.blocknews.net:
>>
>>> In article <44GqN.151257$yEgf.67680@fx09.iad>, "because_\\shitbag
>>> \\_was_taken"@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 1:54 PM, Andrea W, stupid lying Nazi troll whore,
>>>> lied:
>>>>
>>>> > "Josh Rosenbluth" wrote in message
>>>> > news:uoeb0q$37p4b$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/19/2024 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> >>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:09:53 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> >>> <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 1/18/2024 9:39 AM, Winston wrote:
>>>> >>>>> OrigInfoJunkie <bondrock@att.net> writes:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> {snip}
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>> He doesn't have to be charged and convicted in order to be
>>>> >>>>>> disqualified under 14.3.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Oh? How so?
>>>> >>>>> I read 14.3. I saw nothing in there that I would interpret
>>>> >>>>> as mere accusation being sufficient.
>>>> >>>>> -WBE [IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.]
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Trump has not been disqualified based on a mere accusation.
>>>> >>>> There was a trial in Colorado and Maine's secretary of state's
>>>> >>>> decision is subject to judicial review.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There has been no criminal trail held to evaluate those
>>>> >>> charges. A civil court can not determine if someone committed a
>>>> >>> crime.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 14.3 disqualification isn't a criminal punishment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Shouldn't the voters decide who should be disqualified and who
>>>> > they want to vote for?
>>>>
>>>> No, just as the voters don't get to elect a naturalized citizen or
>>>> someone age 26 to the presidency, Andrea, you stupid lying Nazi
>>>> whore.
>>>
>>> You are way over the line. If you are qualified then the voters
>>> should decide. Trump is qualified.
>>>
>>
>>That's your "opinion", other more knowledgable people think otherwise.
>>
>
> Like other radical Dem voting leftists?

If the Republicans were smart they'd run election commercials of
destroyed businesses in San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis,
St Louis, DC, and Atlanta 24 hours a day. Buy some ad time on YouTube
like the Dem nuts are doing.