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 by: Rent-a-hole Harris - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 03:42 UTC

In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>

> Trump is in full command of weak people like me.

The attackers thought they were restoring liberty — for them — not
subverting democracy

Internal assaults on American government usually come with the
promise of greater freedom. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed
from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,” Thomas
Jefferson wrote. He was referring to Shays’s Rebellion, an uprising
of 4,000 Massachusetts citizens in protest of taxes imposed by the
state’s governor to liquidate Revolutionary War debt. Seventy-five
years later, the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis,
explaining another rebellion, said the South had no choice but to
“take up arms to vindicate the political rights, the freedom,
equality, and State sovereignty which were the heritage purchased by
the blood of our revolutionary sires.”

To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such “battle cry of
freedom” — a patriotic exercise against tyranny. President Biden and
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might deplore this as an “assault on our
democracy,” but “what they mean by ‘our democracy’ is their
oligarchy,” the author and journalist Roger Kimball said in a
September speech at Hillsdale College. The protest against them may
have become unruly, but it was by no means an insurrection.

He may be right, though for reasons different from the one he gave.
Militant protest, as Garry Wills wrote in “A Necessary Evil,” his
history of “American distrust of government,” comes in different
forms. At one end of the spectrum are insurrectionists, who “take
arms against the government because it is too repressive.” At the
opposite end are vigilantes, who “take arms to do the government’s
work because the authorities are not repressive enough.” They become
“vigilant,” Wills writes, in times when they believe “the government
is too slow, indifferent, or lax.”

Vigilantism seems to be the defining strain of American conservatism
today, embraced by both the mob and intellectuals. Kimball is one of
many who, emancipated by former president Donald Trump, feel
licensed to lead their own campaigns against the country as it
becomes more egalitarian and inclusive.

This was the vigilante’s cry that the government has been hijacked
to thwart the will of Trump and his supporters. Though they’re in
the minority, there are many millions, nevertheless, for whom the
government’s failure to do enough to look after their interests has
made it the enemy.

For them, the battle cry of freedom has become, as it was for
Jefferson Davis, a demand for repression. And only vigilantism,
storming the citadel, will do the job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/10/january-6-
vigilantes-insurrection/

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 by: Skeeter - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 14:55 UTC

In article <20240121.224256.d51f55a9@erienetworks.net>,
remailer@domain.invalid says...
>
> In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>
>
> > Trump is in full command of weak people like me.
>
> The attackers thought they were restoring liberty � for them � not
> subverting democracy
>
> Internal assaults on American government usually come with the
> promise of greater freedom. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed
> from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,” Thomas
> Jefferson wrote. He was referring to Shays�s Rebellion, an uprising
> of 4,000 Massachusetts citizens in protest of taxes imposed by the
> state�s governor to liquidate Revolutionary War debt. Seventy-five
> years later, the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis,
> explaining another rebellion, said the South had no choice but to
> “take up arms to vindicate the political rights, the freedom,
> equality, and State sovereignty which were the heritage purchased by
> the blood of our revolutionary sires.”
>
> To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
> Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such “battle cry of
> freedom” � a patriotic exercise against tyranny. President Biden and
> House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might deplore this as an “assault on our
> democracy,” but “what they mean by �our democracy� is their
> oligarchy,” the author and journalist Roger Kimball said in a
> September speech at Hillsdale College. The protest against them may
> have become unruly, but it was by no means an insurrection.
>
> He may be right, though for reasons different from the one he gave.
> Militant protest, as Garry Wills wrote in “A Necessary Evil,” his
> history of “American distrust of government,” comes in different
> forms. At one end of the spectrum are insurrectionists, who “take
> arms against the government because it is too repressive.” At the
> opposite end are vigilantes, who “take arms to do the government�s
> work because the authorities are not repressive enough.” They become
> “vigilant,” Wills writes, in times when they believe “the government
> is too slow, indifferent, or lax.”
>
> Vigilantism seems to be the defining strain of American conservatism
> today, embraced by both the mob and intellectuals. Kimball is one of
> many who, emancipated by former president Donald Trump, feel
> licensed to lead their own campaigns against the country as it
> becomes more egalitarian and inclusive.
>
>
> This was the vigilante�s cry that the government has been hijacked
> to thwart the will of Trump and his supporters. Though they�re in
> the minority, there are many millions, nevertheless, for whom the
> government�s failure to do enough to look after their interests has
> made it the enemy.
>
> For them, the battle cry of freedom has become, as it was for
> Jefferson Davis, a demand for repression. And only vigilantism,
> storming the citadel, will do the job.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/10/january-6-
> vigilantes-insurrection/

No insurrection.

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Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
news:MPG.40182fd177ed950a990ef0@usnews.blocknews.net:

> In article <20240121.224256.d51f55a9@erienetworks.net>,
> remailer@domain.invalid says...
>>
>> In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>
>>
>> > Trump is in full command of weak people like me.
>>
>> The attackers thought they were restoring liberty �? for them �?
>> not subverting democracy
>>
>> Internal assaults on American government usually come with the
>> promise of greater freedom. ⤽The tree of liberty must be refreshed
>> from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,⤝ Thomas
>> Jefferson wrote. He was referring to Shays�?s Rebellion, an uprising
>> of 4,000 Massachusetts citizens in protest of taxes imposed by the
>> state�?s governor to liquidate Revolutionary War debt. Seventy-five
>> years later, the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis,
>> explaining another rebellion, said the South had no choice but to
>> ⤽take up arms to vindicate the political rights, the freedom,
>> equality, and State sovereignty which were the heritage purchased by
>> the blood of our revolutionary sires.⤝
>>
>> To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
>> Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such ⤽battle cry of
>> freedom⤝ �? a patriotic exercise against tyranny. President Biden
>> and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might deplore this as an ⤽assault on
>> our democracy,⤝ but ⤽what they mean by �?our democracy�? is
>> their oligarchy,⤝ the author and journalist Roger Kimball said in a
>> September speech at Hillsdale College. The protest against them may
>> have become unruly, but it was by no means an insurrection.
>>
>> He may be right, though for reasons different from the one he gave.
>> Militant protest, as Garry Wills wrote in ⤽A Necessary Evil,⤝ his
>> history of ⤽American distrust of government,⤝ comes in different
>> forms. At one end of the spectrum are insurrectionists, who ⤽take
>> arms against the government because it is too repressive.⤝ At the
>> opposite end are vigilantes, who ⤽take arms to do the
>> government�?s work because the authorities are not repressive
>> enough.⤝ They become ⤽vigilant,⤝ Wills writes, in times when
>> they believe ⤽the government is too slow, indifferent, or lax.⤝
>>
>> Vigilantism seems to be the defining strain of American conservatism
>> today, embraced by both the mob and intellectuals. Kimball is one of
>> many who, emancipated by former president Donald Trump, feel
>> licensed to lead their own campaigns against the country as it
>> becomes more egalitarian and inclusive.
>>
>>
>> This was the vigilante�?s cry that the government has been hijacked
>> to thwart the will of Trump and his supporters. Though they�?re in
>> the minority, there are many millions, nevertheless, for whom the
>> government�?s failure to do enough to look after their interests has
>> made it the enemy.
>>
>> For them, the battle cry of freedom has become, as it was for
>> Jefferson Davis, a demand for repression. And only vigilantism,
>> storming the citadel, will do the job.
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/10/january-6-
>> vigilantes-insurrection/
>
> No insurrection.

Why Jan. 6 insurrections sent a letter to the Folger Shakespeare Library

While insurrectionists were plotting to storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6,
2021, they took time to write and send a letter to an institution two
blocks from their target: the Folger Shakespeare Library, the world�s
largest collection of material related to the English playwright.

�We will be blocking access to your building � to prevent our persons of
grievance from using you as a loophole,� read the insurrectionists�
letter, which circulated on a pro-Trump message board called TheDonald
before the insurrection and was published this month in the Folger�s
online archive.

The letter explained that the insurrectionists would create a 2.4-mile
blockade �surrounding all buildings to which the U.S. Capitol has
underground tunnels to� � including the John Adams Building of the
Library of Congress, with which the Folger shares a block � presumably to
prevent those inside the Capitol from escaping through the buildings.

�This is nothing personal to the library itself,� the letter continued.
�We have no intention of damaging, trespassing, or otherwise altering
your facility in any way...We sincerely apologize in advance to any
inconvenience this may cause you � we are simply citizens practicing our
1st amendment rights and are only involving you by happenstance.�

Read more : [link:https://wapo.st/3SsDGRd|

At the very least this letter PROVES that 6Jan was not "spontaneous".
Well planned in fact.

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 by: Skeeter - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 16:09 UTC

In article <uom2qq$phl5$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
> news:MPG.40182fd177ed950a990ef0@usnews.blocknews.net:
>
> > In article <20240121.224256.d51f55a9@erienetworks.net>,
> > remailer@domain.invalid says...
> >>
> >> In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>
> >>
> >> > Trump is in full command of weak people like me.
> >>
> >> The attackers thought they were restoring liberty â?? for them â??
> >> not subverting democracy
> >>
> >> Internal assaults on American government usually come with the
> >> promise of greater freedom. â??The tree of liberty must be refreshed
> >> from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,� Thomas
> >> Jefferson wrote. He was referring to Shaysâ??s Rebellion, an uprising
> >> of 4,000 Massachusetts citizens in protest of taxes imposed by the
> >> stateâ??s governor to liquidate Revolutionary War debt. Seventy-five
> >> years later, the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis,
> >> explaining another rebellion, said the South had no choice but to
> >> â??take up arms to vindicate the political rights, the freedom,
> >> equality, and State sovereignty which were the heritage purchased by
> >> the blood of our revolutionary sires.�
> >>
> >> To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
> >> Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such â??battle cry of
> >> freedomâ? â?? a patriotic exercise against tyranny. President Biden
> >> and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might deplore this as an â??assault on
> >> our democracy,â? but â??what they mean by â??our democracyâ?? is
> >> their oligarchy,� the author and journalist Roger Kimball said in a
> >> September speech at Hillsdale College. The protest against them may
> >> have become unruly, but it was by no means an insurrection.
> >>
> >> He may be right, though for reasons different from the one he gave.
> >> Militant protest, as Garry Wills wrote in â??A Necessary Evil,â? his
> >> history of â??American distrust of government,â? comes in different
> >> forms. At one end of the spectrum are insurrectionists, who â??take
> >> arms against the government because it is too repressive.� At the
> >> opposite end are vigilantes, who â??take arms to do the
> >> governmentâ??s work because the authorities are not repressive
> >> enough.â? They become â??vigilant,â? Wills writes, in times when
> >> they believe â??the government is too slow, indifferent, or lax.â?
> >>
> >> Vigilantism seems to be the defining strain of American conservatism
> >> today, embraced by both the mob and intellectuals. Kimball is one of
> >> many who, emancipated by former president Donald Trump, feel
> >> licensed to lead their own campaigns against the country as it
> >> becomes more egalitarian and inclusive.
> >>
> >>
> >> This was the vigilanteâ??s cry that the government has been hijacked
> >> to thwart the will of Trump and his supporters. Though theyâ??re in
> >> the minority, there are many millions, nevertheless, for whom the
> >> governmentâ??s failure to do enough to look after their interests has
> >> made it the enemy.
> >>
> >> For them, the battle cry of freedom has become, as it was for
> >> Jefferson Davis, a demand for repression. And only vigilantism,
> >> storming the citadel, will do the job.
> >>
> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/10/january-6-
> >> vigilantes-insurrection/
> >
> > No insurrection.
>
>
> Why Jan. 6 insurrections sent a letter to the Folger Shakespeare Library
>
> While insurrectionists were plotting to storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6,
> 2021, they took time to write and send a letter to an institution two
> blocks from their target: the Folger Shakespeare Library, the world?s
> largest collection of material related to the English playwright.
>
> ?We will be blocking access to your building ? to prevent our persons of
> grievance from using you as a loophole,? read the insurrectionists?
> letter, which circulated on a pro-Trump message board called TheDonald
> before the insurrection and was published this month in the Folger?s
> online archive.
>
> The letter explained that the insurrectionists would create a 2.4-mile
> blockade ?surrounding all buildings to which the U.S. Capitol has
> underground tunnels to? ? including the John Adams Building of the
> Library of Congress, with which the Folger shares a block ? presumably to
> prevent those inside the Capitol from escaping through the buildings.
>
> ?This is nothing personal to the library itself,? the letter continued.
> ?We have no intention of damaging, trespassing, or otherwise altering
> your facility in any way...We sincerely apologize in advance to any
> inconvenience this may cause you ? we are simply citizens practicing our
> 1st amendment rights and are only involving you by happenstance.?
>
> Read more : [link:https://wapo.st/3SsDGRd|
>
> At the very least this letter PROVES that 6Jan was not "spontaneous".
> Well planned in fact.

Prove nothing but a protest gone bad.

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Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
news:MPG.40184124261dbf19990f1d@usnews.blocknews.net:

> In article <uom2qq$phl5$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
>> news:MPG.40182fd177ed950a990ef0@usnews.blocknews.net:
>>
>> > In article <20240121.224256.d51f55a9@erienetworks.net>,
>> > remailer@domain.invalid says...
>> >>
>> >> In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>
>> >>
>> >> > Trump is in full command of weak people like me.
>> >>
>> >> The attackers thought they were restoring liberty �?? for them �??
>> >> not subverting democracy
>> >>
>> >> Internal assaults on American government usually come with the
>> >> promise of greater freedom. �??The tree of liberty must be
>> >> refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and
>> >> tyrants,�?� Thomas Jefferson wrote. He was referring to Shays�??s
>> >> Rebellion, an uprising of 4,000 Massachusetts citizens in protest
>> >> of taxes imposed by the state�??s governor to liquidate
>> >> Revolutionary War debt. Seventy-five years later, the president of
>> >> the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, explaining another rebellion,
>> >> said the South had no choice but to �??take up arms to vindicate
>> >> the political rights, the freedom, equality, and State sovereignty
>> >> which were the heritage purchased by the blood of our
>> >> revolutionary sires.�?�
>> >>
>> >> To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
>> >> Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such �??battle cry
>> >> of freedom�?� �?? a patriotic exercise against tyranny. President
>> >> Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might deplore this as an
>> >> �??assault on our democracy,�?� but �??what they mean by �??our
>> >> democracy�?? is their oligarchy,�?� the author and journalist
>> >> Roger Kimball said in a September speech at Hillsdale College. The
>> >> protest against them may have become unruly, but it was by no
>> >> means an insurrection.
>> >>
>> >> He may be right, though for reasons different from the one he
>> >> gave. Militant protest, as Garry Wills wrote in �??A Necessary
>> >> Evil,�?� his history of �??American distrust of government,�?�
>> >> comes in different forms. At one end of the spectrum are
>> >> insurrectionists, who �??take arms against the government because
>> >> it is too repressive.�?� At the opposite end are vigilantes, who
>> >> �??take arms to do the government�??s work because the authorities
>> >> are not repressive enough.�?� They become �??vigilant,�?� Wills
>> >> writes, in times when they believe �??the government is too slow,
>> >> indifferent, or lax.�?�
>> >>
>> >> Vigilantism seems to be the defining strain of American
>> >> conservatism today, embraced by both the mob and intellectuals.
>> >> Kimball is one of many who, emancipated by former president Donald
>> >> Trump, feel licensed to lead their own campaigns against the
>> >> country as it becomes more egalitarian and inclusive.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This was the vigilante�??s cry that the government has been
>> >> hijacked to thwart the will of Trump and his supporters. Though
>> >> they�??re in the minority, there are many millions, nevertheless,
>> >> for whom the government�??s failure to do enough to look after
>> >> their interests has made it the enemy.
>> >>
>> >> For them, the battle cry of freedom has become, as it was for
>> >> Jefferson Davis, a demand for repression. And only vigilantism,
>> >> storming the citadel, will do the job.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/10/january-6-
>> >> vigilantes-insurrection/
>> >
>> > No insurrection.
>>
>>
>> Why Jan. 6 insurrections sent a letter to the Folger Shakespeare
>> Library
>>
>> While insurrectionists were plotting to storm the U.S. Capitol on
>> Jan. 6, 2021, they took time to write and send a letter to an
>> institution two blocks from their target: the Folger Shakespeare
>> Library, the world?s largest collection of material related to the
>> English playwright.
>>
>> ?We will be blocking access to your building ? to prevent our persons
>> of grievance from using you as a loophole,? read the
>> insurrectionists? letter, which circulated on a pro-Trump message
>> board called TheDonald before the insurrection and was published this
>> month in the Folger?s online archive.
>>
>> The letter explained that the insurrectionists would create a
>> 2.4-mile blockade ?surrounding all buildings to which the U.S.
>> Capitol has underground tunnels to? ? including the John Adams
>> Building of the Library of Congress, with which the Folger shares a
>> block ? presumably to prevent those inside the Capitol from escaping
>> through the buildings.
>>
>> ?This is nothing personal to the library itself,? the letter
>> continued. ?We have no intention of damaging, trespassing, or
>> otherwise altering your facility in any way...We sincerely apologize
>> in advance to any inconvenience this may cause you ? we are simply
>> citizens practicing our 1st amendment rights and are only involving
>> you by happenstance.?
>>
>> Read more : [link:https://wapo.st/3SsDGRd|
>>
>> At the very least this letter PROVES that 6Jan was not "spontaneous".
>> Well planned in fact.
>
> Prove nothing but a protest gone bad.
>

It was not a "protest gone bad", it was pre-planned violence against the
established government and against the Constitution.

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 by: Scout - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:49 UTC

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:uom2qq$phl5$5@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
> news:MPG.40182fd177ed950a990ef0@usnews.blocknews.net:
>
>> In article <20240121.224256.d51f55a9@erienetworks.net>,
>> remailer@domain.invalid says...
>>>
>>> In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>
>>>
>>> > Trump is in full command of weak people like me.
>>>
>>> The attackers thought they were restoring liberty � for them �
>>> not subverting democracy
>>>
>>> Internal assaults on American government usually come with the
>>> promise of greater freedom. ⤽The tree of liberty must be refreshed
>>> from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,⤝ Thomas
>>> Jefferson wrote. He was referring to Shays�s Rebellion, an uprising
>>> of 4,000 Massachusetts citizens in protest of taxes imposed by the
>>> state�s governor to liquidate Revolutionary War debt. Seventy-five
>>> years later, the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis,
>>> explaining another rebellion, said the South had no choice but to
>>> ⤽take up arms to vindicate the political rights, the freedom,
>>> equality, and State sovereignty which were the heritage purchased by
>>> the blood of our revolutionary sires.⤝
>>>
>>> To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
>>> Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such ⤽battle cry of
>>> freedom⤝ � a patriotic exercise against tyranny. President Biden
>>> and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might deplore this as an ⤽assault on
>>> our democracy,⤝ but ⤽what they mean by �our democracy� is
>>> their oligarchy,⤝ the author and journalist Roger Kimball said in a
>>> September speech at Hillsdale College. The protest against them may
>>> have become unruly, but it was by no means an insurrection.
>>>
>>> He may be right, though for reasons different from the one he gave.
>>> Militant protest, as Garry Wills wrote in ⤽A Necessary Evil,⤝ his
>>> history of ⤽American distrust of government,⤝ comes in different
>>> forms. At one end of the spectrum are insurrectionists, who ⤽take
>>> arms against the government because it is too repressive.⤝ At the
>>> opposite end are vigilantes, who ⤽take arms to do the
>>> government�s work because the authorities are not repressive
>>> enough.⤝ They become ⤽vigilant,⤝ Wills writes, in times when
>>> they believe ⤽the government is too slow, indifferent, or lax.⤝
>>>
>>> Vigilantism seems to be the defining strain of American conservatism
>>> today, embraced by both the mob and intellectuals. Kimball is one of
>>> many who, emancipated by former president Donald Trump, feel
>>> licensed to lead their own campaigns against the country as it
>>> becomes more egalitarian and inclusive.
>>>
>>>
>>> This was the vigilante�s cry that the government has been hijacked
>>> to thwart the will of Trump and his supporters. Though they�re in
>>> the minority, there are many millions, nevertheless, for whom the
>>> government�s failure to do enough to look after their interests has
>>> made it the enemy.
>>>
>>> For them, the battle cry of freedom has become, as it was for
>>> Jefferson Davis, a demand for repression. And only vigilantism,
>>> storming the citadel, will do the job.
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/10/january-6-
>>> vigilantes-insurrection/
>>
>> No insurrection.
>
>
> Why Jan. 6 insurrections sent a letter to the Folger Shakespeare Library
>
> While insurrectionists were plotting to storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6,
> 2021, they took time to write and send a letter to an institution two
> blocks from their target: the Folger Shakespeare Library, the world's
> largest collection of material related to the English playwright.
>
> "We will be blocking access to your building . to prevent our persons of
> grievance from using you as a loophole," read the insurrectionists'
> letter, which circulated on a pro-Trump message board called TheDonald
> before the insurrection and was published this month in the Folger's
> online archive.
>
> The letter explained that the insurrectionists would create a 2.4-mile
> blockade "surrounding all buildings to which the U.S. Capitol has
> underground tunnels to" - including the John Adams Building of the
> Library of Congress, with which the Folger shares a block - presumably to
> prevent those inside the Capitol from escaping through the buildings.
>
> "This is nothing personal to the library itself," the letter continued.
> "We have no intention of damaging, trespassing, or otherwise altering
> your facility in any way...We sincerely apologize in advance to any
> inconvenience this may cause you . we are simply citizens practicing our
> 1st amendment rights and are only involving you by happenstance."
>
> Read more : [link:https://wapo.st/3SsDGRd|
>
> At the very least this letter PROVES that 6Jan was not "spontaneous".
> Well planned in fact.

Hmmm. I was unaware that exercising your 1st Amendment rights was
insurrection much less a crime....

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"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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> Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
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>
>> In article <uom2qq$phl5$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in
>>> news:MPG.40182fd177ed950a990ef0@usnews.blocknews.net:
>>>
>>> > In article <20240121.224256.d51f55a9@erienetworks.net>,
>>> > remailer@domain.invalid says...
>>> >>
>>> >> In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Trump is in full command of weak people like me.
>>> >>
>>> >> The attackers thought they were restoring liberty â?? for them â??
>>> >> not subverting democracy
>>> >>
>>> >> Internal assaults on American government usually come with the
>>> >> promise of greater freedom. â??The tree of liberty must be
>>> >> refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and
>>> >> tyrants,â? Thomas Jefferson wrote. He was referring to Shaysâ??s
>>> >> Rebellion, an uprising of 4,000 Massachusetts citizens in protest
>>> >> of taxes imposed by the stateâ??s governor to liquidate
>>> >> Revolutionary War debt. Seventy-five years later, the president of
>>> >> the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, explaining another rebellion,
>>> >> said the South had no choice but to â??take up arms to vindicate
>>> >> the political rights, the freedom, equality, and State sovereignty
>>> >> which were the heritage purchased by the blood of our
>>> >> revolutionary sires.�
>>> >>
>>> >> To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
>>> >> Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such â??battle cry
>>> >> of freedomâ? â?? a patriotic exercise against tyranny. President
>>> >> Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might deplore this as an
>>> >> â??assault on our democracy,â? but â??what they mean by â??our
>>> >> democracyâ?? is their oligarchy,â? the author and journalist
>>> >> Roger Kimball said in a September speech at Hillsdale College. The
>>> >> protest against them may have become unruly, but it was by no
>>> >> means an insurrection.
>>> >>
>>> >> He may be right, though for reasons different from the one he
>>> >> gave. Militant protest, as Garry Wills wrote in â??A Necessary
>>> >> Evil,â? his history of â??American distrust of government,â?
>>> >> comes in different forms. At one end of the spectrum are
>>> >> insurrectionists, who â??take arms against the government because
>>> >> it is too repressive.� At the opposite end are vigilantes, who
>>> >> â??take arms to do the governmentâ??s work because the authorities
>>> >> are not repressive enough.â? They become â??vigilant,â? Wills
>>> >> writes, in times when they believe â??the government is too slow,
>>> >> indifferent, or lax.�
>>> >>
>>> >> Vigilantism seems to be the defining strain of American
>>> >> conservatism today, embraced by both the mob and intellectuals.
>>> >> Kimball is one of many who, emancipated by former president Donald
>>> >> Trump, feel licensed to lead their own campaigns against the
>>> >> country as it becomes more egalitarian and inclusive.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> This was the vigilanteâ??s cry that the government has been
>>> >> hijacked to thwart the will of Trump and his supporters. Though
>>> >> theyâ??re in the minority, there are many millions, nevertheless,
>>> >> for whom the governmentâ??s failure to do enough to look after
>>> >> their interests has made it the enemy.
>>> >>
>>> >> For them, the battle cry of freedom has become, as it was for
>>> >> Jefferson Davis, a demand for repression. And only vigilantism,
>>> >> storming the citadel, will do the job.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/10/january-6-
>>> >> vigilantes-insurrection/
>>> >
>>> > No insurrection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why Jan. 6 insurrections sent a letter to the Folger Shakespeare
>>> Library
>>>
>>> While insurrectionists were plotting to storm the U.S. Capitol on
>>> Jan. 6, 2021, they took time to write and send a letter to an
>>> institution two blocks from their target: the Folger Shakespeare
>>> Library, the world?s largest collection of material related to the
>>> English playwright.
>>>
>>> ?We will be blocking access to your building ? to prevent our persons
>>> of grievance from using you as a loophole,? read the
>>> insurrectionists? letter, which circulated on a pro-Trump message
>>> board called TheDonald before the insurrection and was published this
>>> month in the Folger?s online archive.
>>>
>>> The letter explained that the insurrectionists would create a
>>> 2.4-mile blockade ?surrounding all buildings to which the U.S.
>>> Capitol has underground tunnels to? ? including the John Adams
>>> Building of the Library of Congress, with which the Folger shares a
>>> block ? presumably to prevent those inside the Capitol from escaping
>>> through the buildings.
>>>
>>> ?This is nothing personal to the library itself,? the letter
>>> continued. ?We have no intention of damaging, trespassing, or
>>> otherwise altering your facility in any way...We sincerely apologize
>>> in advance to any inconvenience this may cause you ? we are simply
>>> citizens practicing our 1st amendment rights and are only involving
>>> you by happenstance.?
>>>
>>> Read more : [link:https://wapo.st/3SsDGRd|
>>>
>>> At the very least this letter PROVES that 6Jan was not "spontaneous".
>>> Well planned in fact.
>>
>> Prove nothing but a protest gone bad.
>>
>
> It was not a "protest gone bad", it was pre-planned violence against the
> established government and against the Constitution.

You mean like that we saw from Antifa and BLM?

Must admit that is the least violent piece of pre-planned violence I think
we've ever seen.

Hell, we've seen more from sports fans.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 12:59:55 -0800
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 by: Matt Singer - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:59 UTC

On 1/22/2024 6:55 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <20240121.224256.d51f55a9@erienetworks.net>,
> remailer@domain.invalid says...
>>
>> In article <uogv6p$3oo8t$1@dont-email.me>
>>
>>> Trump is in full command of weak people like me.

>> To its participants and their emboldened intellectual allies, the
>> Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was another such “battle cry of
>> freedom” � a patriotic exercise against tyranny.

It wasn't, and fuck whatever the insurrectionists believe.

>
> No insurrection.

It was, of course, an insurrection, and if you knuckle-dragging fat fucks try
another, you're going to be mowed down.

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