Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.

https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

On 2023-12-23 05:38:03 +0000, Bill Anderson said:
>
> Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
> list.
>
> https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
>

As usual, mostly dismal garbage not even remotely worth bothering to
watch ... Charlie Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" is even listed twice!

On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
>
> Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
> list.
>
> https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m

Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN

(Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)

moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
>>
>> Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
>> list.
>>
>> https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
>
> Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
>
> Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
>
> (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
>
>
>
>

The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there?
Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

On 12/23/2023 2:50 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
>>> list.
>>>
>>> https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
>>
>> Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
>>
>> Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
>>
>> (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
> great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there?
> Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?

I don't recall any like that. (Well, I'm not sure I've ever watched
SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch with NOSFERATU.)
But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen talkies.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:50:54 +0000, Bill Anderson
<bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:

>moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
>>> list.
>>>
>>> https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
>>
>> Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
>>
>> Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
>>
>> (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
>>
>
>The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
>great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there?
>Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?

"12 Angry Men"

The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.

But look at the photo in the article. There are only eleven men
pictured and he is not included.

Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>"12 Angry Men"

>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>affectation.

He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

>But look at the photo in the article. There are only eleven men
>pictured and he is not included.

There's a bit of suspension of disbelief for Jack Klugman as the teenage
(now adult) gang banger.

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>. . .
>
>>"12 Angry Men"
>
>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>affectation.
>
>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>"12 Angry Men"

>>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>affectation.

>>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

>Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

Sigh

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>. . .
>
>>>>"12 Angry Men"
>
>>>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>affectation.
>
>>>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>
>>Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>
>Sigh

Just answer the question, fool.

Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> . . .
>>
>>>>> "12 Angry Men"
>>
>>>>> The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>> affectation.
>>
>>>> He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>>
>>> Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>>
>> Sigh
>
> Just answer the question, fool.
>
>
>
>

Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.

I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson
<bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:

>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>
>>>>>> "12 Angry Men"
>>>
>>>>>> The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>> affectation.
>>>
>>>>> He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>>>
>>>> Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>>>
>>> Sigh
>>
>> Just answer the question, fool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
>Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>named Biff.
>
>I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
>knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

Thanks for that. I did come across "Death of a Salesman" associated
with Lee J. Cobb, but "Biff" wasn't mentioned.

Here is my Christmas gift to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYKlV0vkIs

On 2023-12-24 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson said:

> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "12 Angry Men"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>> affectation.
>>>>>
>>>>> He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>>>>
>>>> Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>>>
>>> Sigh
>>
>> Just answer the question, fool.
>
> Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
> Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
> named Biff.
>
> I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
> knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
> movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
> would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

According to Bob Gale (one of the creators of "Back to the Future"),
the character of Biff Tannen was partly based on / inspired by Donald
Trump ... a brainless bully with delusions of grandeur and an
over-bloated ego ... it certainly does fit.

Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson
> <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>>>>> "12 Angry Men"
>>>>
>>>>>>> The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>> affectation.
>>>>
>>>>>> He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>>>>
>>>>> Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>>>>
>>>> Sigh
>>>
>>> Just answer the question, fool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
>> Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>> named Biff.
>>
>> I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
>> knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>> movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>> would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
>
> Thanks for that. I did come across "Death of a Salesman" associated
> with Lee J. Cobb, but "Biff" wasn't mentioned.
>
> Here is my Christmas gift to you:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYKlV0vkIs
>
>
>

Thanks. It’s a great story, isn’t it? I remember struggling to understand
as a child in lower elementary school when our teacher read us the story. I
knew what a comb was, but why would anyone want to leave one in their hair?

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>. . .

>>>>>>"12 Angry Men"

>>>>>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>affectation.

>>>>>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

>>>>Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

>>>Sigh

>>Just answer the question, fool.

>Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>named Biff.

>I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.

Death of a Salesman is one of the most successful and most famous plays
ever written for the American stage. Lee J. Cobb was the original Willy
Loman on Broadway. He played the part again in the 1966 adaptation for
tv. This is the part that Lee J. Cobb is most famous for.

While Cobb was not in the 1954 teleplay "12 Angry Men", he played #3 in
the 1955 adaptation for Broadway and the 1957 adaptation for film.

I'm sure casting him in 1955 was well worth the money and both the
Broadway audience and movie audience would have understand why he was
cast.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>. . .
>
>>>>>>>"12 Angry Men"
>
>>>>>>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>>affectation.
>
>>>>>>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>
>>>>>Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>
>>>>Sigh
>
>>>Just answer the question, fool.
>
>>Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>>named Biff.
>
>>I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
>
>I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
>are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
>knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
>reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
>target of Mack's foul mood.

If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.

I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia
<drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>. . .
>>
>>>>>>>>"12 Angry Men"
>>
>>>>>>>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>>>affectation.
>>
>>>>>>>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>>
>>>>>>Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>>
>>>>>Sigh
>>
>>>>Just answer the question, fool.
>>
>>>Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>>>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>>>named Biff.
>>
>>>I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>>>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>>>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>>>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
>>
>>I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
>>are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
>>knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
>>reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
>>target of Mack's foul mood.
>
>If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
>simple and reasonable question.

"condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
response.

>I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>. . .

>>>>>>>>"12 Angry Men"

>>>>>>>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>>>affectation.

>>>>>>>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

>>>>>>Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

>>>>>Sigh

>>>>Just answer the question, fool.

>>>Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>>>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>>>named Biff.

>>>I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>>>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>>>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>>>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

>>I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
>>are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
>>knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
>>reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
>>target of Mack's foul mood.

>If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
>simple and reasonable question.

>I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

In a newsgroup in which people discuss their love of old movies? Yes,
I expected its regulars to know whom Lee J. Cobb was.

Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com>:
>>Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>. . .

>>>>>>>>>"12 Angry Men"

>>>>>>>>>The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>>>>affectation.

>>>>>>>>He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

>>>>>>>Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

>>>>>>Sigh

>>>>>Just answer the question, fool.

>>>>Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>>>>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>>>>named Biff.

>>>>I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>>>>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>>>>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>>>>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

>>>I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
>>>are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
>>>knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
>>>reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
>>>target of Mack's foul mood.

>>If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
>>simple and reasonable question.

>"condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
>response.

And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.

I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.

Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?

Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
It's unimportant.

>>I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com>:
>>> Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>> Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> . . .
>
>>>>>>>>>> "12 Angry Men"
>
>>>>>>>>>> The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>>>>> affectation.
>
>>>>>>>>> He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>
>>>>>>>> Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>
>>>>>>> Sigh
>
>>>>>> Just answer the question, fool.
>
>>>>> Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>>>>> Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>>>>> named Biff.
>
>>>>> I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>>>>> knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>>>>> movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>>>>> would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
>
>>>> I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
>>>> are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
>>>> knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
>>>> reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
>>>> target of Mack's foul mood.
>
>>> If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
>>> simple and reasonable question.
>
>> "condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
>> response.
>
> And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.
>
> I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.
>
> Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
> another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?
>
> Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
> It's unimportant.
>
>>> I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
>

It’s Christmas Day and I am feeling benevolent so I will try to help you
both if I can. I know how these Internet spats go, but ‘tis the season and
all, so let’s see.

Adam made an erudite joke about Lee J Cobb. Mack didn’t get it and said so.
Adam responded with a sigh.

Mack interpreted the sigh as, “you are an idiot for not understanding.“
Just for the record, that’s how I interpreted the sigh too.

But now it appears Adam intended the sigh as a signal of disappointment
that people didn’t understand his joke. No condescension; just regret.

Sounds like a minor misunderstanding to me. Amusing, even. Happy holidays
and peace on earth.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 21:57:43 +0000, Bill Anderson
<bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:

>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com>:
>>>> Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>> Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> . . .
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "12 Angry Men"
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>>>>>> affectation.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>>
>>>>>>>> Sigh
>>
>>>>>>> Just answer the question, fool.
>>
>>>>>> Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>>>>>> Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>>>>>> named Biff.
>>
>>>>>> I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>>>>>> knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>>>>>> movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>>>>>> would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
>>
>>>>> I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
>>>>> are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
>>>>> knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
>>>>> reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
>>>>> target of Mack's foul mood.
>>
>>>> If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
>>>> simple and reasonable question.
>>
>>> "condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
>>> response.
>>
>> And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.
>>
>> I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.
>>
>> Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
>> another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?
>>
>> Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
>> It's unimportant.
>>
>>>> I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
>>
>
>It’s Christmas Day and I am feeling benevolent so I will try to help you
>both if I can. I know how these Internet spats go, but ‘tis the season and
>all, so let’s see.
>
>Adam made an erudite joke about Lee J Cobb. Mack didn’t get it and said so.
>Adam responded with a sigh.
>
>Mack interpreted the sigh as, “you are an idiot for not understanding.“
>Just for the record, that’s how I interpreted the sigh too.

Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable peson answer the question if he
knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.

>But now it appears Adam intended the sigh as a signal of disappointment
>that people didn’t understand his joke. No condescension; just regret.
>
>Sounds like a minor misunderstanding to me. Amusing, even. Happy holidays
>and peace on earth.

Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable peson answer the question if he
>knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.

Clearly, you are never ever getting over it.

There's simply no reason to participate in this newsgroup.

rOn Tue, 26 Dec 2023 01:15:02 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>. . .
>
>>Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable person answer the question if he
>>knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.
>
>Clearly, you are never ever getting over it.

I never ever get over rude people.

>There's simply no reason to participate in this newsgroup.

Good that you're leaving.

On 12/25/2023 3:21 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>> Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> . . .
>
>>>>>>>>> "12 Angry Men"
>
>>>>>>>>> The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
>>>>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
>>>>>>>>> affectation.
>
>>>>>>>> He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
>
>>>>>>> Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
>
>>>>>> Sigh
>
>>>>> Just answer the question, fool.
>
>>>> Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
>>>> Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
>>>> named Biff.
>
>>>> I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
>>>> knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
>>>> movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
>>>> would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
>
>>> I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
>>> are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
>>> knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
>>> reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
>>> target of Mack's foul mood.
>
>> If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
>> simple and reasonable question.
>
>> I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
>
> In a newsgroup in which people discuss their love of old movies? Yes,
> I expected its regulars to know whom Lee J. Cobb was.

"Lee J. Cobb", yes. "Biff", not so much. And it's "who".

On 12/23/2023 2:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 12/23/2023 2:50 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
>>>
>>> Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
>>>
>>> Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
>>>
>>> (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
>> great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing
>> there?
>> Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?
>
> I don't recall any like that.  (Well, I'm not sure I've ever watched
> SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch with NOSFERATU.)
>  But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen talkies.
>
>

Since you appeared to ask:

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is a cartoon, a good one in fact, but
it doesn't belong on a list with Lawrence of Arabia.

The Shawshank Redemption is adored by millions, but not me. I'll admit I
will always allow myself to enjoy the last 20 minutes or so, but still
that doesn't make it a great movie.

Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back: It's good, but the first
movie was the brilliant one. So why isn't the first movie on the list?

Inside Out: Another cartoon, and a rather obscure one. I predict it'll
soon be forgotten.

Whiplash: Not on my radar.

Alien and Aliens: Excellent sci-fi but not "great" films.

12 Years a Slave: Haven't seen it but seems too recent to be on a list
like this.

Spotlight: good but too recent.

Playtime: not on my radar

LA Confidential: Didn't click with me.

Inception: Great movie? C'mon.

Coco and Wall-E: Nice cartoons but not great.

Under the Skin: loved it, but but does it belong in the canon of great
movies? C'mon.

The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers: Should be lumped with the others
which makes me wonder where the rest of this 100 movie list is.

I agree almost unreservedly with putting all the other films on this
list, but there must be more to it somewhere. Love it or loathe it, GWTW
belongs on a list of great movies and so do plenty more that don't show
up here. At least it's clear the author has eclectic taste and a broad
appreciation of the good stuff.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog