Jerusalem Post:

"One in four Europeans harbor antisemitic attitudes, new ADL survey shows"

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-744688

Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard, Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views? ;)

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:15:31 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Jerusalem Post:
>
> "One in four Europeans harbor antisemitic attitudes, new ADL survey shows"
>
> https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-744688
>
> Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard, Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views? ;)

No doubt.

dk

On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 16:19:04 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:15:31 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Jerusalem Post:
> >
> > "One in four Europeans harbor antisemitic attitudes, new ADL survey shows"
> >
> > https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-744688
> >
> > Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard, Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views? ;)
> No doubt.
>
> dk

This is a libelous statement, and absolutely unproven .... and here we go again ....

Ray Hall, Taree

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:58:01 AM UTC+2, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This is a libelous statement, and absolutely unproven .... and here we go again ....
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

These two gentlemen have no idea how statistics work.

The two of them are RMCR's resident rabid racists (RRR), who cannot stop making unwarranted generalisations about ethnicity.
So who knows, maybe they are in those one in four.

It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.

On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.

In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.

Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.

On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 07:58:01 UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> This is a libelous statement, and absolutely unproven .... and here we go again ....
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

Unless we see the actual 11 questions asked and the marking template the results are meaningless. One of the questions asked appeared to be "do you think that Jews more loyal to Israel than their own country?" and a response saying "probably" was classed as antisemitic. And if that's any indication of the rest of the survey then nobody should take it seriously.

But as you say, "here we go again..."

Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 11:00:04 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 07:58:01 UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > This is a libelous statement, and absolutely unproven .... and here we go again ....
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> Unless we see the actual 11 questions asked and the marking template the results are meaningless. One of the questions asked appeared to be "do you think that Jews more loyal to Israel than their own country?" and a response saying "probably" was classed as antisemitic. And if that's any indication of the rest of the survey then nobody should take it seriously.
>
> But as you say, "here we go again..."

If you're not yet an antisemite, you wil become one when reading this newsgroup.

Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 09:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.
>
> Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.

It is the other way around. Marc S manipulates DK, and despises him for allowing himself to be manipulated. Read his last posts, if Marc S hasn't deleted them yet.

There is no reason to be manipulated too. One of us is enough.

Henk

HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 11:18:01 UTC+2:
> Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 09:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> > On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> > In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.
> >
> > Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.
> It is the other way around. Marc S manipulates DK, and despises him for allowing himself to be manipulated. Read his last posts, if Marc S hasn't deleted them yet.

lol - you are ony crazy dude... I am just stating my opinions and giving arguments to support them - sure enough this doesn't have anything to do with manipulation, it is the opposite; I am just trying to be truthful.

>
> There is no reason to be manipulated too. One of us is enough.

You have been manipulated by the leftist narrative wrt Israel... you idiot ;D

>
> Henk

HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 11:18:01 UTC+2:
> Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 09:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> > On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> > In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.
> >
> > Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.
> It is the other way around. Marc S manipulates DK, and despises him for allowing himself to be manipulated. Read his last posts, if Marc S hasn't deleted them yet.
>
> There is no reason to be manipulated too. One of us is enough.
>
> Henk

The problem with folks like you, Herman, Andy and Gerard is the fact, that you think it is out of question that you harbour any antisemitic views ;) You deem yourselfs too good to be in anyway antisemitic... no moment of self-reflection...

And not only that: When presented with arguments on why some of the things you have said are antisemitic - whereby it logically follows that you harbour antisemitic sentiments - you jsut ignore the arguments and evidence presented to you.

You all really have learned nada from the shoah; just a bunch of donkeys.

It's also kind of funny that none of you actually took the time to read the text, this gives doubt to what you guys said about being worried about antisemitism. The text btw reveals that antisemitic sentiments in NLD are the lowest all over Europe - still this does not mean that you have no antisemitic sentiments; your antisemitic sentiments have often been revealed in this very NG.

As if I would invest this much energy and time to manipulate Dan - yeah, sure, I'm the master-manipulator lol; why would I want to manipulate him?... like what the fuck is wrogn with you guys ;D

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:43:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly
> uses The Freak to propagate his filth.

I have no connection whatsoever with
anyone in this ng. I do not coordinate
posting with anyone, and I do not "use"
anyone to promote my ideas.

To suggest otherwise is the vilest insult
one can imagine.

This illustrates perfectly what happens
to people's brains when they live under
monarchies. Liz and Charlie fucked
your brain.

dk

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:58:01 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 16:19:04 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:15:31 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Jerusalem Post:
> > >
> > > "One in four Europeans harbor antisemitic attitudes, new ADL survey shows"
> > >
> > > https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-744688
> > >
> > > Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard,
> > > Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views? ;)
> >
> > No doubt.
>
> This is a libelous statement, and absolutely unproven

Can you read? You will be added to the list.

dk

On 7/3/2023 3:11 AM, Herman wrote:
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:58:01 AM UTC+2, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> This is a libelous statement, and absolutely unproven .... and here we go again ....
>>
>> Ray Hall, Taree
>
> These two gentlemen have no idea how statistics work.
>
> The two of them are RMCR's resident rabid racists (RRR), who cannot stop making unwarranted generalisations about ethnicity.
> So who knows, maybe they are in those one in four.
>
> It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.

Ridiculous exaggeration. Also this topic didn't degenerate, it began as a topic on antisemitism.

Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 12:18:14 UTC+2 schreef Marc S:
> HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 11:18:01 UTC+2:
> > Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 09:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> > > On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > > > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> > > In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.
> > >
> > > Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.
> > It is the other way around. Marc S manipulates DK, and despises him for allowing himself to be manipulated. Read his last posts, if Marc S hasn't deleted them yet.
> >
> > There is no reason to be manipulated too. One of us is enough.
> >
> > Henk
> The problem with folks like you, Herman, Andy and Gerard is the fact, that you think it is out of question that you harbour any antisemitic views ;) You deem yourselfs too good to be in anyway antisemitic... no moment of self-reflection...
>
> And not only that: When presented with arguments on why some of the things you have said are antisemitic - whereby it logically follows that you harbour antisemitic sentiments - you jsut ignore the arguments and evidence presented to you.
>
> You all really have learned nada from the shoah; just a bunch of donkeys.
>
> It's also kind of funny that none of you actually took the time to read the text, this gives doubt to what you guys said about being worried about antisemitism. The text btw reveals that antisemitic sentiments in NLD are the lowest all over Europe - still this does not mean that you have no antisemitic sentiments; your antisemitic sentiments have often been revealed in this very NG.
>
> As if I would invest this much energy and time to manipulate Dan - yeah, sure, I'm the master-manipulator lol; why would I want to manipulate him?.... like what the fuck is wrong with you guys ;D

Let's suspend our goodbye for a moment. No, I don't believe I'm too good for antisemitism. There are many forms of antisemitism, and it may be that at one time or another, I cross a line. I'm certainly no semitophile (nor an Anglo-, Francophile, or whatever) and no friend of Israel's politics (but that's clear by now).
Not being as semitophile is not my only problem. I do get fed up from time to time with identity and gender questions. That's racist and discriminatory, so hey say,.

According to some, I should repent, but I'm not planning to do so. Perhaps I'll change my attitude the moment the Inquisition is knocking on the door, but it isn't (yet). You aren't really the stuff inquisitors are made of, so I still breathe freely.

BTW, I did read the article. It is about how the Jewish population feels. One cannot discuss with that.

Not manipulative? What about your question after reading the article: "Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard, Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views?"
Could it be that you harbor antisemitic views? Certainly.

Since I mentioned you, you deserve this short suspension of our goodbye.

Best wishes,
Henk

Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 14:15:42 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:
> On 7/3/2023 3:11 AM, Herman wrote:
> > On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:58:01 AM UTC+2, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> This is a libelous statement, and absolutely unproven .... and here we go again ....
> >>
> >> Ray Hall, Taree
> >
> > These two gentlemen have no idea how statistics work.
> >
> > The two of them are RMCR's resident rabid racists (RRR), who cannot stop making unwarranted generalisations about ethnicity.
> > So who knows, maybe they are in those one in four.
> >
> > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> Ridiculous exaggeration. Also this topic didn't degenerate, it began as a topic on antisemitism.

Posting about antisemitism is a degeneration by itself.

Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 14:33:05 UTC+2 schreef HT:
> Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 12:18:14 UTC+2 schreef Marc S:
> > HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 11:18:01 UTC+2:
> > > Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 09:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> > > > On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > > > > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> > > > In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.
> > > >
> > > > Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.
> > > It is the other way around. Marc S manipulates DK, and despises him for allowing himself to be manipulated. Read his last posts, if Marc S hasn't deleted them yet.
> > >
> > > There is no reason to be manipulated too. One of us is enough.
> > >
> > > Henk
> > The problem with folks like you, Herman, Andy and Gerard is the fact, that you think it is out of question that you harbour any antisemitic views ;) You deem yourselfs too good to be in anyway antisemitic... no moment of self-reflection...
> >
> > And not only that: When presented with arguments on why some of the things you have said are antisemitic - whereby it logically follows that you harbour antisemitic sentiments - you jsut ignore the arguments and evidence presented to you.
> >
> > You all really have learned nada from the shoah; just a bunch of donkeys.
> >
> > It's also kind of funny that none of you actually took the time to read the text, this gives doubt to what you guys said about being worried about antisemitism. The text btw reveals that antisemitic sentiments in NLD are the lowest all over Europe - still this does not mean that you have no antisemitic sentiments; your antisemitic sentiments have often been revealed in this very NG.
> >
> > As if I would invest this much energy and time to manipulate Dan - yeah, sure, I'm the master-manipulator lol; why would I want to manipulate him?.... like what the fuck is wrong with you guys ;D
>
> Let's suspend our goodbye for a moment. No, I don't believe I'm too good for antisemitism. There are many forms of antisemitism, and it may be that at one time or another, I cross a line. I'm certainly no semitophile (nor an Anglo-, Francophile, or whatever) and no friend of Israel's politics (but that's clear by now).
> Not being as semitophile is not my only problem. I do get fed up from time to time with identity and gender questions. That's racist and discriminatory, so hey say,.
>
> According to some, I should repent, but I'm not planning to do so. Perhaps I'll change my attitude the moment the Inquisition is knocking on the door, but it isn't (yet). You aren't really the stuff inquisitors are made of, so I still breathe freely.
>
> BTW, I did read the article. It is about how the Jewish population feels. One cannot discuss with that.
>
> Not manipulative? What about your question after reading the article: "Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard, Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views?"
> Could it be that you harbor antisemitic views? Certainly.
>
> Since I mentioned you, you deserve this short suspension of our goodbye.
>
> Best wishes,
> Henk

No, I didn't read the article. I was referring to another one.

Henk

On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 13:05:27 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> This illustrates perfectly what happens
> to people's brains when they live under
> monarchies. Liz and Charlie fucked
> your brain.
>
> dk

It's pretty obvious why it's impossible to take your political views seriously.

In article <89b4fd86-9ee1-4f9b-b9e4-530d2ca80d74n@googlegroups.com>,
Gerard <cbc111@gmail.com> wrote:
>If you're not yet an antisemite, you wil become one when reading
>this newsgroup.

I admit I did spontaneously chuckle when Pluted Pup first posted
something similar, but I doubt he was joking, and ultimately it
really isn't funny.

Divisive tactics (online) work.

HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 14:33:05 UTC+2:
> Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 12:18:14 UTC+2 schreef Marc S:
> > HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 11:18:01 UTC+2:
> > > Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 09:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> > > > On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > > > > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> > > > In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.
> > > >
> > > > Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.
> > > It is the other way around. Marc S manipulates DK, and despises him for allowing himself to be manipulated. Read his last posts, if Marc S hasn't deleted them yet.
> > >
> > > There is no reason to be manipulated too. One of us is enough.
> > >
> > > Henk
> > The problem with folks like you, Herman, Andy and Gerard is the fact, that you think it is out of question that you harbour any antisemitic views ;) You deem yourselfs too good to be in anyway antisemitic... no moment of self-reflection...
> >
> > And not only that: When presented with arguments on why some of the things you have said are antisemitic - whereby it logically follows that you harbour antisemitic sentiments - you jsut ignore the arguments and evidence presented to you.
> >
> > You all really have learned nada from the shoah; just a bunch of donkeys.
> >
> > It's also kind of funny that none of you actually took the time to read the text, this gives doubt to what you guys said about being worried about antisemitism. The text btw reveals that antisemitic sentiments in NLD are the lowest all over Europe - still this does not mean that you have no antisemitic sentiments; your antisemitic sentiments have often been revealed in this very NG.
> >
> > As if I would invest this much energy and time to manipulate Dan - yeah, sure, I'm the master-manipulator lol; why would I want to manipulate him?.... like what the fuck is wrong with you guys ;D
>
> Let's suspend our goodbye for a moment. No, I don't believe I'm too good for antisemitism. There are many forms of antisemitism, and it may be that at one time or another, I cross a line. I'm certainly no semitophile (nor an Anglo-, Francophile, or whatever) and no friend of Israel's politics (but that's clear by now).
> Not being as semitophile is not my only problem. I do get fed up from time to time with identity and gender questions. That's racist and discriminatory, so hey say,.
>

See, Henk, instead of being all the way defensive again, you could have taken a moment to reflect on what I said, and how it relates to you. Nobody asks you to be a semitophile - you would also have to define somehow more concretely what you mean with this; I love "all" people - even Herman to a degree ;) and I also love Jewish people, so I might actually be a semitophile....

> According to some, I should repent, but I'm not planning to do so. Perhaps I'll change my attitude the moment the Inquisition is knocking on the door, but it isn't (yet). You aren't really the stuff inquisitors are made of, so I still breathe freely.

No, obviously I am the stuff manipulators are made of... What maybe my plan is here, is just a mental inquisition hehe - and not by manipulating you or Herman or Gerard or Andy, but by confronting you with reality and with yourselves, and sometimes I try to confront Dan with himself... it's just what I do in arguments... looking at your argument and confronting you with it..

Dan has not even a need to be manipulated by me wrt these issues obviously, as he already sees things similarly I do - this does not mean - i think - at least this goes for me, that he hates your or we; but he realizes some of your attitudes just suck, and some of your viewpoints are to be hated.

>
> BTW, I did read the article. It is about how the Jewish population feels. One cannot discuss with that.

Henk, I trust the Jewish population and organizations that actually deal with antisemtism (such as the IHRA - nonJewish, but international; and ADL, AJC etc) a little more in these matters, than I trust your feelings ;) They also provide good reasoning, instead of what you are providing most of the time... bullshit. I trust myself and this the most, I guess... and I sort of know where to look when I don't have answers.

>
> Not manipulative? What about your question after reading the article: "Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard, Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views?"

....as I said: You could view it as a mental inquisition of _your_ mind, but not Dan's. It's a critical question to get you to self-reflect, but instead, you just defend yourself from all the accusations.

All I tried to was raise awareness about antisemitism in Europe, because you seem to have none... and wouldn't it actually be cool for Dan and Frank if you understood these matters a little more deeply?

Don't you realize, how Andy - similar to how you are not responding to any arguments I make - ignores all the things Dan says, and tells him -blablabla "grew up on a monarchy"-argument shows that you have no idea of politics"; Andy ignores also everything Frank says.

You have to understand that the itnernational community is wrong on this, and I provided you plteny of arguments on why the UN could be wrong; all you have is: UN says is wrong; "ah demlotion of homes" (with no concrete evidence of what the circumstances are etc), "ah IDF is deliberately shooting journalists" (when I provide evidence to the contrary, I get conveniently ignored again by your high majesty Henk; don't be so stubborn...), - and guess what... there are not many states in the international community that actually respect human rights, and address antisemitism; do you think, antisemitism is addressed in the islamic nations? well maybe a bit in some... there are "100" islamic nations to which European countries have economical and political ties, these ties deeply affect the thinking of the people doing politics in Europe, which also influences media etc., the muslim people - not all of them - sort of have a bit of a herd mentality when it comes to Israel (or maybe hating the Jews?) and "Palestine", and they cry really loud (much louder than Herman ever could) - just see the recent Quran burning by an Iraqi guy in Sweden ;D caused chaos... that's sort of like they react to Israel... burning flags of israel etc...

not being racist here, it's just that atnisemitism is prevalent in muslim societies and communities in Germany.

If you can talk shit about Israel at the age of 82, then I can also talk shit back to you... at least if you don't listen when I try to tell you patiently why what you are saying is wrong.

> Could it be that you harbor antisemitic views? Certainly.

It could be, but I don't think it to be the case anymore, as I am a bit too involved in this matter.

Not really in the mood to check what I wrote, as I tried to tell you too often already.

>
> Since I mentioned you, you deserve this short suspension of our goodbye.
>
> Best wishes,
> Henk

It should be said that I rarely have the mood to do so here - checking what I wrote; because what difference would it make...

Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 20:06:40 UTC+2 schreef Marc S:
> HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 14:33:05 UTC+2:
> > Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 12:18:14 UTC+2 schreef Marc S:
> > > HT schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 11:18:01 UTC+2:
> > > > Op maandag 3 juli 2023 om 09:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> > > > > On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 08:11:25 UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > > > > > It's pretty clear by now it's impossible to have a single topic here that does not degenerate into talk about antisemitism.
> > > > > In Frank's favour it has to be noted that he has killfiled The Freak.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan Koren, on the other hand, regularly uses The Freak to propagate his filth.
> > > > It is the other way around. Marc S manipulates DK, and despises him for allowing himself to be manipulated. Read his last posts, if Marc S hasn't deleted them yet.
> > > >
> > > > There is no reason to be manipulated too. One of us is enough.
> > > >
> > > > Henk
> > > The problem with folks like you, Herman, Andy and Gerard is the fact, that you think it is out of question that you harbour any antisemitic views ;) You deem yourselfs too good to be in anyway antisemitic... no moment of self-reflection...
> > >
> > > And not only that: When presented with arguments on why some of the things you have said are antisemitic - whereby it logically follows that you harbour antisemitic sentiments - you jsut ignore the arguments and evidence presented to you.
> > >
> > > You all really have learned nada from the shoah; just a bunch of donkeys.
> > >
> > > It's also kind of funny that none of you actually took the time to read the text, this gives doubt to what you guys said about being worried about antisemitism. The text btw reveals that antisemitic sentiments in NLD are the lowest all over Europe - still this does not mean that you have no antisemitic sentiments; your antisemitic sentiments have often been revealed in this very NG.
> > >
> > > As if I would invest this much energy and time to manipulate Dan - yeah, sure, I'm the master-manipulator lol; why would I want to manipulate him?... like what the fuck is wrong with you guys ;D
> >
> > Let's suspend our goodbye for a moment. No, I don't believe I'm too good for antisemitism. There are many forms of antisemitism, and it may be that at one time or another, I cross a line. I'm certainly no semitophile (nor an Anglo-, Francophile, or whatever) and no friend of Israel's politics (but that's clear by now).
> > Not being as semitophile is not my only problem. I do get fed up from time to time with identity and gender questions. That's racist and discriminatory, so hey say,.
> >
> See, Henk, instead of being all the way defensive again, you could have taken a moment to reflect on what I said, and how it relates to you. Nobody asks you to be a semitophile - you would also have to define somehow more concretely what you mean with this; I love "all" people - even Herman to a degree ;) and I also love Jewish people, so I might actually be a semitophile...
> > According to some, I should repent, but I'm not planning to do so. Perhaps I'll change my attitude the moment the Inquisition is knocking on the door, but it isn't (yet). You aren't really the stuff inquisitors are made of, so I still breathe freely.
> No, obviously I am the stuff manipulators are made of... What maybe my plan is here, is just a mental inquisition hehe - and not by manipulating you or Herman or Gerard or Andy, but by confronting you with reality and with yourselves, and sometimes I try to confront Dan with himself... it's just what I do in arguments... looking at your argument and confronting you with it.
>
> Dan has not even a need to be manipulated by me wrt these issues obviously, as he already sees things similarly I do - this does not mean - i think - at least this goes for me, that he hates your or we; but he realizes some of your attitudes just suck, and some of your viewpoints are to be hated.
> >
> > BTW, I did read the article. It is about how the Jewish population feels. One cannot discuss with that.
> Henk, I trust the Jewish population and organizations that actually deal with antisemtism (such as the IHRA - nonJewish, but international; and ADL, AJC etc) a little more in these matters, than I trust your feelings ;) They also provide good reasoning, instead of what you are providing most of the time... bullshit. I trust myself and this the most, I guess... and I sort of know where to look when I don't have answers.
> >
> > Not manipulative? What about your question after reading the article: "Could it actually be that Herman, Gerard, Henk and Andy harbor antisemitic views?"
> ...as I said: You could view it as a mental inquisition of _your_ mind, but not Dan's. It's a critical question to get you to self-reflect, but instead, you just defend yourself from all the accusations.
>
> All I tried to was raise awareness about antisemitism in Europe, because you seem to have none... and wouldn't it actually be cool for Dan and Frank if you understood these matters a little more deeply?
>
> Don't you realize, how Andy - similar to how you are not responding to any arguments I make - ignores all the things Dan says, and tells him -blablabla "grew up on a monarchy"-argument shows that you have no idea of politics"; Andy ignores also everything Frank says.
>
> You have to understand that the itnernational community is wrong on this, and I provided you plteny of arguments on why the UN could be wrong; all you have is: UN says is wrong; "ah demlotion of homes" (with no concrete evidence of what the circumstances are etc), "ah IDF is deliberately shooting journalists" (when I provide evidence to the contrary, I get conveniently ignored again by your high majesty Henk; don't be so stubborn...), - and guess what... there are not many states in the international community that actually respect human rights, and address antisemitism; do you think, antisemitism is addressed in the islamic nations? well maybe a bit in some... there are "100" islamic nations to which European countries have economical and political ties, these ties deeply affect the thinking of the people doing politics in Europe, which also influences media etc., the muslim people - not all of them - sort of have a bit of a herd mentality when it comes to Israel (or maybe hating the Jews?) and "Palestine", and they cry really loud (much louder than Herman ever could) - just see the recent Quran burning by an Iraqi guy in Sweden ;D caused chaos... that's sort of like they react to Israel... burning flags of israel etc...
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> not being racist here, it's just that atnisemitism is prevalent in muslim societies and communities in Germany.
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> If you can talk shit about Israel at the age of 82, then I can also talk shit back to you... at least if you don't listen when I try to tell you patiently why what you are saying is wrong.
> > Could it be that you harbor antisemitic views? Certainly.
> It could be, but I don't think it to be the case anymore, as I am a bit too involved in this matter.
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> Not really in the mood to check what I wrote, as I tried to tell you too often already.
> >
> > Since I mentioned you, you deserve this short suspension of our goodbye..
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Henk

Marc, let's reinstall the goodbye. Talking to each other is a waste of time..

Henk