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Subject	Author
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Dan Koren
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	number_six
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Andy Evans
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	gggg gggg
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Dan Koren
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Andy Evans
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	number_six
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	vhorowitz
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	number_six
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	number_six
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
Takemitsu -- Ran Soundtrack	Marc S
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by: number_six - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 04:25 UTC

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 9:46:39 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k8eRzv3q6QLl2Qpdi56Tz2haA-MIoF2lI
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> Masterpiece!
>
> dk
Great film, incredible pageantry.

I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.

Will likely re-watch both in near future.

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by: Andy Evans - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:49 UTC

On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> Great film, incredible pageantry.
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> I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
>
> Will likely re-watch both in near future.

I was lucky enough to watch Ran for the first time in a proper movie theatre with a big screen and good sound. The opening scenes were overwhelming in their impact.

I sometimes revisit Takemitsu for his Green - November Steps II. It would make a good soundtrack for an Edgar Allen Poe film.... I can see Vincent Price and hear his menacing voice right now.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acel9y1etRw

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by: gggg gggg - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:16 UTC

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > Great film, incredible pageantry.
> >
> > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> >
> > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> I was lucky enough to watch Ran for the first time in a proper movie theatre with a big screen and good sound. The opening scenes were overwhelming in their impact.
>
> I sometimes revisit Takemitsu for his Green - November Steps II. It would make a good soundtrack for an Edgar Allen Poe film.... I can see Vincent Price and hear his menacing voice right now.....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acel9y1etRw

Didn't he also compose the soundtrack for WOMEN IN THE DUNES?

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by: Dan Koren - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:41 UTC

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
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> Didn't he also compose the soundtrack for WOMEN IN THE DUNES?

Yes indeed. Another masterpiece.

dk

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by: Marc S - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:43 UTC

gggg gggg schrieb am Samstag, 1. Juli 2023 um 16:17:00 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > Great film, incredible pageantry.
> > >
> > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > >
> > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > I was lucky enough to watch Ran for the first time in a proper movie theatre with a big screen and good sound. The opening scenes were overwhelming in their impact.
> >
> > I sometimes revisit Takemitsu for his Green - November Steps II. It would make a good soundtrack for an Edgar Allen Poe film.... I can see Vincent Price and hear his menacing voice right now.....
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acel9y1etRw
> Didn't he also compose the soundtrack for WOMEN IN THE DUNES?

Yes, and it was much more original. WRT Ran it seems as if Takemitsu was pressured by Kurosawa to make it sound like Mahler - Takemitsu apparently had sth else in mind, sth more along the lines of musique concrete.

BTW Takemitsu composed soundtracks for many many movies...

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by: Marc S - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:45 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 1. Juli 2023 um 16:41:55 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> >
> > Didn't he also compose the soundtrack for WOMEN IN THE DUNES?
> Yes indeed. Another masterpiece.
>
> dk

Is the Ran soundtrack really a masterpiece? I doubt it... just saying so, doesn't make it so - how about some good arguments?

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by: Marc S - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:54 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 1. Juli 2023 um 16:45:54 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 1. Juli 2023 um 16:41:55 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > >
> > > Didn't he also compose the soundtrack for WOMEN IN THE DUNES?
> > Yes indeed. Another masterpiece.
> >
> > dk
> Is the Ran soundtrack really a masterpiece? I doubt it... just saying so, doesn't make it so - how about some good arguments?

Thinking about it: It is definitely a good soundtrack, better than most soundtracks certainly... but I have trouble seeing it as a masterpiece... Women in the dunes soundtrack, we can talk about... sounds more like a masterpiece to me...

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by: Marc S - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 15:00 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 1. Juli 2023 um 16:54:40 UTC+2:
> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 1. Juli 2023 um 16:45:54 UTC+2:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 1. Juli 2023 um 16:41:55 UTC+2:
> > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Didn't he also compose the soundtrack for WOMEN IN THE DUNES?
> > > Yes indeed. Another masterpiece.
> > >
> > > dk
> > Is the Ran soundtrack really a masterpiece? I doubt it... just saying so, doesn't make it so - how about some good arguments?
> Thinking about it: It is definitely a good soundtrack, better than most soundtracks certainly... but I have trouble seeing it as a masterpiece... Women in the dunes soundtrack, we can talk about... sounds more like a masterpiece to me...

*Woman in the dunes

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by: Andy Evans - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 19:27 UTC

On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
>
> Will likely re-watch both in near future.

If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw

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by: number_six - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 22:49 UTC

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> >
> > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!

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by: vhorowitz - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 21:43 UTC

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-4, number_six wrote:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > >
> > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
> Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!

Kwaidan is a cool Takemitsu soundtrack as well…..creepy knocks and cracks and other nearly non-musical sounds which make up the unique otherworldly sonic but still somehow “musical” landscape…...great originality!

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by: number_six - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 00:18 UTC

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-4, number_six wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > > >
> > > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > > If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
> > Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!
> Kwaidan is a cool Takemitsu soundtrack as well…..creepy knocks and cracks and other nearly non-musical sounds which make up the unique otherworldly sonic but still somehow “musical” landscape…..great originality!
Yes, it has that musique concrete feel Marc alluded to. Kwaidan is brilliant musically and cinematically!

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by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:23 UTC

number_six schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 02:18:05 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-4, number_six wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > > > If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
> > > Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!
> > Kwaidan is a cool Takemitsu soundtrack as well…..creepy knocks and cracks and other nearly non-musical sounds which make up the unique otherworldly sonic but still somehow “musical” landscape…..great originality!
> Yes, it has that musique concrete feel Marc alluded to. Kwaidan is brilliant musically and cinematically!

Really interesting thanks - from what I heard on yt as of yet; should probably look into the movie too one day.

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by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:28 UTC

number_six schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 02:18:05 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-4, number_six wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > > > If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
> > > Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!
> > Kwaidan is a cool Takemitsu soundtrack as well…..creepy knocks and cracks and other nearly non-musical sounds which make up the unique otherworldly sonic but still somehow “musical” landscape…..great originality!
> Yes, it has that musique concrete feel Marc alluded to. Kwaidan is brilliant musically and cinematically!

Never liked "The Prisoner" btw...

L’Année dernière à Marienbad or La Jetée was more the stuff I was interested in.

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by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:29 UTC

vhorowitz schrieb am Sonntag, 2. Juli 2023 um 23:43:55 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-4, number_six wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > > >
> > > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > > If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
> > Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!
> Kwaidan is a cool Takemitsu soundtrack as well…..creepy knocks and cracks and other nearly non-musical sounds which make up the unique otherworldly sonic but still somehow “musical” landscape…..great originality!

oh it was you that mentioned Kwaidan originally, thanks to you I guess.

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by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:29 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 21:29:34 UTC+2:
> vhorowitz schrieb am Sonntag, 2. Juli 2023 um 23:43:55 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-4, number_six wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > > > If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
> > > Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!
> > Kwaidan is a cool Takemitsu soundtrack as well…..creepy knocks and cracks and other nearly non-musical sounds which make up the unique otherworldly sonic but still somehow “musical” landscape…..great originality!
> oh it was you that mentioned Kwaidan originally, thanks to you I guess.

*who

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by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:33 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 21:28:07 UTC+2:
> number_six schrieb am Montag, 3. Juli 2023 um 02:18:05 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-4, number_six wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 05:26:02 UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > > > > I was thinking TT also scored Kagemusha, but no, that was a different composer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Will likely re-watch both in near future.
> > > > > If you have a taste for Asian films, try 3 Iron, a Kim Ki-duk film. Unusual and compelling.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S5n0JniDw
> > > > Unfamiliar to me -- thanks for the recommendation!
> > > Kwaidan is a cool Takemitsu soundtrack as well…..creepy knocks and cracks and other nearly non-musical sounds which make up the unique otherworldly sonic but still somehow “musical” landscape…..great originality!
> > Yes, it has that musique concrete feel Marc alluded to. Kwaidan is brilliant musically and cinematically!
> Never liked "The Prisoner" btw...
>
> L’Année dernière à Marienbad or La Jetée was more the stuff I was interested in.

*I should say that I never really liked these movies too much I guess... I mean... I don't like movies too much in general it seems; but those kind of movies were interesting to think about at least.

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On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 12:28:07 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Never liked "The Prisoner" btw...
>
> L’Année dernière à Marienbad or La Jetée was more the stuff I was interested in.

Marker's La Jetee came out in the 60s of course, but I did not see it until many decades later.

It's remarkable for its unusual technique, but even more so IMO for building great narrative impact in such a short film.

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k8eRzv3q6QLl2Qpdi56Tz2haA-MIoF2lI

Masterpiece!

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 30. Juni 2023 um 06:46:39 UTC+2:
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k8eRzv3q6QLl2Qpdi56Tz2haA-MIoF2lI
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> Masterpiece!
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> dk

Starting at around the 9 minute mark of suite pt. 1 I get a bit of Mahler and Berg feelings...

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