Rocksolid Light

Welcome to Rocksolid Light

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. -- Eleanor Roosevelt

arts / rec.music.classical.recordings / Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

SubjectAuthor
* A nice Jupiter from KobeDan Koren
`* A nice Jupiter from KobeHerman
 +* A nice Jupiter from KobeMarc S
 |+* A nice Jupiter from KobeMarc S
 ||`- A nice Jupiter from KobeDan Koren
 |`* A nice Jupiter from KobeDan Koren
 | +* A nice Jupiter from KobeDan Koren
 | |`* A nice Jupiter from KobeMarc S
 | | `* A nice Jupiter from KobeMarc S
 | |  +- A nice Jupiter from KobeDan Koren
 | |  `- A nice Jupiter from KobeDan Koren
 | +- A nice Jupiter from KobeMarc S
 | `- A nice Jupiter from KobeMarc S
 `- A nice Jupiter from KobeDan Koren

1
A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56625&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56625

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7f94:0:b0:3f6:bb7b:b93e with SMTP id z20-20020ac87f94000000b003f6bb7bb93emr2464qtj.4.1688618074549;
Wed, 05 Jul 2023 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:17a0:b0:682:537f:2cb5 with SMTP id
s32-20020a056a0017a000b00682537f2cb5mr1191993pfg.2.1688618074190; Wed, 05 Jul
2023 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!1.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 21:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.247.181.171; posting-account=zoRlLAkAAADnaynpk4ZzIoUiINS0rxoJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.247.181.171
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: dan.koren@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 04:34:34 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 1016
 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 04:34 UTC

https://youtu.be/CKFxFwtmSRU

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56641&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56641

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1a22:b0:3f6:aee9:d91 with SMTP id f34-20020a05622a1a2200b003f6aee90d91mr3560qtb.1.1688628225379;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:23:45 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:c3d1:b0:1b3:d6c8:7006 with SMTP id
j17-20020a170902c3d100b001b3d6c87006mr958814plj.8.1688628225149; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 00:23:45 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 00:23:44 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.150.207.236; posting-account=j1o0cwkAAAAFh1vAspNW3sBPSSSzsjbD
NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.150.207.236
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: herstx@yahoo.com (Herman)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:23:45 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 1811
 by: Herman - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 07:23 UTC

It's kind of puzzling to hear you blather on and on (on autopilot) about preferring perfomance-sounding-as-improvisation while unfailingly posting the most boring and didactic sounding recitals and concerts. This is what you really like, forget about the talk.
This orchestra plays a concert consisting of Mozart 41 and LvB 5? For what kind of people are they performing this? People who've never heard classical music?
Your crowd.
It's a note for note sleepy performance, with a somnolent slow movement and a minuet that lacks all bounce.
Good enough for you, sure, but people who actually l o v e music expect more.

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56642&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56642

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5986:0:b0:636:afa1:3455 with SMTP id ek6-20020ad45986000000b00636afa13455mr2850qvb.8.1688629700055;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:c1cd:b0:1b3:bfa6:d064 with SMTP id
c13-20020a170902c1cd00b001b3bfa6d064mr1015169plc.1.1688629699745; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 00:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 00:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b;
posting-account=Zd3N6woAAAChXcJ25uTdghyzQ3PscByS
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com> <e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: marcs12212@gmail.com (Marc S)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:48:20 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 by: Marc S - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 07:48 UTC

Herman schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 09:23:48 UTC+2:
> It's kind of puzzling to hear you blather on and on (on autopilot) about preferring perfomance-sounding-as-improvisation while unfailingly posting the most boring and didactic sounding recitals and concerts. This is what you really like, forget about the talk.

Here I have to agree with you...

Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto
and Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<e9f42a7f-2aaf-4293-a19c-93a222c8d85en@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56643&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56643

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:43c6:0:b0:400:aaf2:46ff with SMTP id w6-20020ac843c6000000b00400aaf246ffmr20993qtn.3.1688629752747;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:192:b0:264:96c:2a8d with SMTP id
t18-20020a17090b019200b00264096c2a8dmr809122pjs.4.1688629752096; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 00:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 00:49:11 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b;
posting-account=Zd3N6woAAAChXcJ25uTdghyzQ3PscByS
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e9f42a7f-2aaf-4293-a19c-93a222c8d85en@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: marcs12212@gmail.com (Marc S)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:49:12 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 2049
 by: Marc S - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 07:49 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 09:48:22 UTC+2:
> Herman schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 09:23:48 UTC+2:
> > It's kind of puzzling to hear you blather on and on (on autopilot) about preferring perfomance-sounding-as-improvisation while unfailingly posting the most boring and didactic sounding recitals and concerts. This is what you really like, forget about the talk.
> Here I have to agree with you...
>
> Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938: https://www.youtube..com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto
> and Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo

I should add though that this is not a piece of Mozart I like very much...

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<e0d98401-5dcb-437c-bfb7-57c35178a056n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56644&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56644

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:15d2:b0:400:7e63:33a with SMTP id d18-20020a05622a15d200b004007e63033amr3596qty.12.1688630004713;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:53:24 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b689:b0:1b8:a134:6fcb with SMTP id
c9-20020a170902b68900b001b8a1346fcbmr928875pls.7.1688630004203; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 00:53:24 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 00:53:23 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.247.181.171; posting-account=zoRlLAkAAADnaynpk4ZzIoUiINS0rxoJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.247.181.171
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com> <e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e0d98401-5dcb-437c-bfb7-57c35178a056n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: dan.koren@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:53:24 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 2487
 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 07:53 UTC

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:23:48 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> It's kind of puzzling to hear you blather on and on (on
> autopilot) about preferring perfomance-sounding-as-
> improvisation while unfailingly posting the most boring
> and didactic sounding recitals and concerts. This is what
> you really like, forget about the talk. This orchestra plays a
> concert consisting of Mozart 41 and LvB 5? For what kind of
> people are they performing this? People who've never heard
> classical music? Your crowd. It's a note for note sleepy
> performance, with a somnolent slow movement and a
> minuet that lacks all bounce. Good enough for you, sure,
> but people who actually l o v e music expect more.

I posted a "highlight". It was not a "recommendation" or
an "endorsement". Do you understand the difference?

You are really the worst (un)imaginable combination
of strict literalism with paranoid obsession for hidden
intents or meanings. Do you realize not one word you
wrote relates to anything I said (or not)? I did not say
it was "good", "bad", "boring" or "exciting". In fact, I did
not say anything besides posting the link.

Buzz off, brainfucked imbecile.

dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56645&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56645

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2e49:b0:636:af26:6aa with SMTP id my9-20020a0562142e4900b00636af2606aamr22804qvb.3.1688630098279;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a63:9d4d:0:b0:55b:1498:5fb4 with SMTP id
i74-20020a639d4d000000b0055b14985fb4mr572286pgd.2.1688630097758; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 00:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!1.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 00:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.247.181.171; posting-account=zoRlLAkAAADnaynpk4ZzIoUiINS0rxoJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.247.181.171
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: dan.koren@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:54:58 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 1600
 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 07:54 UTC

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:48:22 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto and
> Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo

Idiotic. Even Karajan is better.

dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<7f0b872e-7cc6-4ff5-b62b-0b809146d0e7n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56648&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56648

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:45a8:b0:765:94ad:379d with SMTP id bp40-20020a05620a45a800b0076594ad379dmr2867qkb.6.1688631044826;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:260a:b0:1b8:6245:11ef with SMTP id
jd10-20020a170903260a00b001b8624511efmr1088370plb.3.1688631044408; Thu, 06
Jul 2023 01:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!1.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 01:10:43 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.247.181.171; posting-account=zoRlLAkAAADnaynpk4ZzIoUiINS0rxoJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.247.181.171
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <7f0b872e-7cc6-4ff5-b62b-0b809146d0e7n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: dan.koren@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 08:10:44 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 1993
 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 08:10 UTC

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:55:00 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:48:22 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto and
> > Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo
>
> Idiotic. Even Karajan is better.

This is quite possibly the finest
on record:

https://youtu.be/EsHo0Doxci8
https://youtu.be/1kSrCovZNaA
https://youtu.be/xw0I862cxyw
https://youtu.be/IQizvxR9H1E

As you probably know already,
Ivan Fischer is Jewish.

dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<63c0356a-53a3-498f-aa04-a4a65cd5cbccn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56681&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56681

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:59cc:0:b0:3ef:8159:5ec4 with SMTP id f12-20020ac859cc000000b003ef81595ec4mr6294qtf.9.1688659829890;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a63:5222:0:b0:53f:29a2:e92 with SMTP id
g34-20020a635222000000b0053f29a20e92mr1247544pgb.8.1688659829339; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b;
posting-account=Zd3N6woAAAChXcJ25uTdghyzQ3PscByS
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <63c0356a-53a3-498f-aa04-a4a65cd5cbccn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: marcs12212@gmail.com (Marc S)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 16:10:29 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 by: Marc S - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 16:10 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 09:55:00 UTC+2:
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:48:22 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto and
> > Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo
> Idiotic. Even Karajan is better.

After writing this I actually checked out a Karajan 1956 performance realizing I haven't heard Karajan in this; did not sound anywhere near as good as the ones mentioned, almost want to say it was bad - and I didn't want to listen further as I am not interested in this piece too much.

>
> dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<1479f7da-e931-48cd-b9af-ceb0a23fc937n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56683&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56683

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2a08:b0:765:aa3e:b7bf with SMTP id o8-20020a05620a2a0800b00765aa3eb7bfmr6298qkp.11.1688659930834;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 09:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c7cc:b0:262:f6f4:7173 with SMTP id
gf12-20020a17090ac7cc00b00262f6f47173mr1678868pjb.5.1688659930199; Thu, 06
Jul 2023 09:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!1.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 09:12:09 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <7f0b872e-7cc6-4ff5-b62b-0b809146d0e7n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b;
posting-account=Zd3N6woAAAChXcJ25uTdghyzQ3PscByS
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com> <7f0b872e-7cc6-4ff5-b62b-0b809146d0e7n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <1479f7da-e931-48cd-b9af-ceb0a23fc937n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: marcs12212@gmail.com (Marc S)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 16:12:10 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 2464
 by: Marc S - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 16:12 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 10:10:47 UTC+2:
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:55:00 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:48:22 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto and
> > > Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo
> >
> > Idiotic. Even Karajan is better.
> This is quite possibly the finest
> on record:
>
> https://youtu.be/EsHo0Doxci8
> https://youtu.be/1kSrCovZNaA
> https://youtu.be/xw0I862cxyw
> https://youtu.be/IQizvxR9H1E
>
> As you probably know already,
> Ivan Fischer is Jewish.

Yes, he is good in Mozart and also Haydn (from the little I heard); his Zauberflöte is actually very nice, but the queen (iirc) was horrible...

Thanks for posting the links, but I'm just not interested in the piece.

>
> dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<8c44e149-a19c-499c-9c58-3d6c3672e2a1n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56685&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56685

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:240b:b0:762:49a3:c8a0 with SMTP id d11-20020a05620a240b00b0076249a3c8a0mr5701qkn.0.1688660234568;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a63:9316:0:b0:55a:e71b:45b9 with SMTP id
b22-20020a639316000000b0055ae71b45b9mr1330611pge.2.1688660234187; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1479f7da-e931-48cd-b9af-ceb0a23fc937n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b;
posting-account=Zd3N6woAAAChXcJ25uTdghyzQ3PscByS
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2003:cc:f02:8ce5:495b:dbe3:f98e:8c6b
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com> <7f0b872e-7cc6-4ff5-b62b-0b809146d0e7n@googlegroups.com>
<1479f7da-e931-48cd-b9af-ceb0a23fc937n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <8c44e149-a19c-499c-9c58-3d6c3672e2a1n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: marcs12212@gmail.com (Marc S)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 16:17:14 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 2857
 by: Marc S - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 16:17 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 18:12:13 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 10:10:47 UTC+2:
> > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:55:00 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:48:22 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto and
> > > > Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo
> > >
> > > Idiotic. Even Karajan is better.
> > This is quite possibly the finest
> > on record:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/EsHo0Doxci8
> > https://youtu.be/1kSrCovZNaA
> > https://youtu.be/xw0I862cxyw
> > https://youtu.be/IQizvxR9H1E
> >
> > As you probably know already,
> > Ivan Fischer is Jewish.
> Yes, he is good in Mozart and also Haydn (from the little I heard); his Zauberflöte is actually very nice, but the queen (iirc) was horrible...
>
> Thanks for posting the links, but I'm just not interested in the piece.
>
> >
> > dk

The problem for me with Ivan Fischer still is, that it's all too... clean and lean... it is beautiful music making - maybe I feel reminded of Rozhdestvensky... but it just doesn't really grab me...

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<4917898e-c648-49e8-b129-4e9a2662cc0an@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56709&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56709

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:8ec:b0:635:dddc:1779 with SMTP id dr12-20020a05621408ec00b00635dddc1779mr8399qvb.7.1688675038700;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 13:23:58 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:39a6:b0:676:20f8:be57 with SMTP id
fi38-20020a056a0039a600b0067620f8be57mr4248702pfb.0.1688675038305; Thu, 06
Jul 2023 13:23:58 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:23:57 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <8c44e149-a19c-499c-9c58-3d6c3672e2a1n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.247.181.171; posting-account=zoRlLAkAAADnaynpk4ZzIoUiINS0rxoJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.247.181.171
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com> <7f0b872e-7cc6-4ff5-b62b-0b809146d0e7n@googlegroups.com>
<1479f7da-e931-48cd-b9af-ceb0a23fc937n@googlegroups.com> <8c44e149-a19c-499c-9c58-3d6c3672e2a1n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <4917898e-c648-49e8-b129-4e9a2662cc0an@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: dan.koren@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 20:23:58 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 3043
 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 20:23 UTC

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 18:12:13 UTC+2:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2023 um 10:10:47 UTC+2:
> > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:55:00 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:48:22 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Best 41s I know are probably Bruno Walter + VPO 1938:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stBUmA6Hqto and
> > > > > Fricsay + RIAS SO (1953): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkV7MqRg6Wo
> > > >
> > > > Idiotic. Even Karajan is better.
> > > This is quite possibly the finest
> > > on record:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/EsHo0Doxci8
> > > https://youtu.be/1kSrCovZNaA
> > > https://youtu.be/xw0I862cxyw
> > > https://youtu.be/IQizvxR9H1E
> > >
> > > As you probably know already,
> > > Ivan Fischer is Jewish.
> > Yes, he is good in Mozart and also Haydn (from the little I heard); his Zauberflöte is actually very nice, but the queen (iirc) was horrible....
> >
> > Thanks for posting the links, but I'm just not interested in the piece.
>
> The problem for me with Ivan Fischer still is, that it's all too...
> clean and lean... it is beautiful music making - maybe I feel
> reminded of Rozhdestvensky... but it just doesn't really grab me...

We can call an ambulance to come and grab you.

dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<7cf3653b-0186-44ef-b645-7b0ffc43c816n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56710&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56710

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1a06:b0:401:e192:fc65 with SMTP id f6-20020a05622a1a0600b00401e192fc65mr7618qtb.1.1688675110163;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 13:25:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:bd83:b0:1b3:e4f1:1b3f with SMTP id
q3-20020a170902bd8300b001b3e4f11b3fmr2733352pls.2.1688675109540; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 13:25:09 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.hasname.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e9f42a7f-2aaf-4293-a19c-93a222c8d85en@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.247.181.171; posting-account=zoRlLAkAAADnaynpk4ZzIoUiINS0rxoJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.247.181.171
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<e9f42a7f-2aaf-4293-a19c-93a222c8d85en@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <7cf3653b-0186-44ef-b645-7b0ffc43c816n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: dan.koren@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 20:25:10 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 1538
 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 20:25 UTC

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:49:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> I should add though that this is not
> a piece of Mozart I like very much...

So what do you like?

dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<c30d1f8b-4799-4935-82b4-abcb19b525cbn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=56735&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#56735

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:28c1:b0:765:ada5:fdd4 with SMTP id l1-20020a05620a28c100b00765ada5fdd4mr7550qkp.12.1688685042250;
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 16:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a417:b0:1b8:8cd9:5355 with SMTP id
p23-20020a170902a41700b001b88cd95355mr2802311plq.6.1688685041549; Thu, 06 Jul
2023 16:10:41 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <8c44e149-a19c-499c-9c58-3d6c3672e2a1n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.247.181.171; posting-account=zoRlLAkAAADnaynpk4ZzIoUiINS0rxoJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.247.181.171
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com> <7f0b872e-7cc6-4ff5-b62b-0b809146d0e7n@googlegroups.com>
<1479f7da-e931-48cd-b9af-ceb0a23fc937n@googlegroups.com> <8c44e149-a19c-499c-9c58-3d6c3672e2a1n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <c30d1f8b-4799-4935-82b4-abcb19b525cbn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: dan.koren@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 23:10:42 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 1908
 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 23:10 UTC

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> The problem for me with Ivan Fischer still is, that it's all too...
> clean and lean... it is beautiful music making - maybe I feel
> reminded of Rozhdestvensky... but it just doesn't really grab
> me...

Then try Klemperer. He will grab you so tightly you won't be
able to breathe.

dk

Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe

<51369bc9-1b0c-4912-930f-fb6a87a0cba2n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.org/arts/article-flat.php?id=57526&group=rec.music.classical.recordings#57526

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4693:b0:76c:deff:8c42 with SMTP id bq19-20020a05620a469300b0076cdeff8c42mr27274qkb.14.1691341589533;
Sun, 06 Aug 2023 10:06:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:145:b0:6b9:8ea6:fb02 with SMTP id
j5-20020a056830014500b006b98ea6fb02mr7464917otp.2.1691341589122; Sun, 06 Aug
2023 10:06:29 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:06:28 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2003:cc:f2d:a761:b847:ec97:fbc0:6ac1;
posting-account=Zd3N6woAAAChXcJ25uTdghyzQ3PscByS
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2003:cc:f2d:a761:b847:ec97:fbc0:6ac1
References: <e13c7c72-95ea-4197-a364-ef104b653ef7n@googlegroups.com>
<e68952dc-a78b-4226-b036-9b574f5fcf3cn@googlegroups.com> <a76fd6b8-432d-43a8-866c-8abbbf988c37n@googlegroups.com>
<6e85c745-93da-428a-b726-4ea9343a8ea2n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <51369bc9-1b0c-4912-930f-fb6a87a0cba2n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A nice Jupiter from Kobe
From: marcs12212@gmail.com (Marc S)
Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2023 17:06:29 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
 by: Marc S - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 17:06 UTC

I just read your messages.

Again: You were right; and thanks for helping me out of my cave ;)

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.81
clearnet tor