Any thoughts about this man, who made his name on Nimbus with Haydn and is now recording with Naxos? (I wonder how much the Danish Chamber Orchestra are paying Klaus Heyman for the privilege?)

So far, I've only heard his Brahms, which I like, but will definitely be getting the late Haydn symphonies ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:32:31 AM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> Any thoughts about this man, who made his name on Nimbus with Haydn and is now recording with Naxos? (I wonder how much the Danish Chamber Orchestra are paying Klaus Heyman for the privilege?)
>
> So far, I've only heard his Brahms, which I like, but will definitely be getting the late Haydn symphonies ...
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Here is Dave Hurwitz's review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BJ78VJnkc0

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 6:32:31 PM UTC+2, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> Any thoughts about this man, who made his name on Nimbus with Haydn and is now recording with Naxos? (I wonder how much the Danish Chamber Orchestra are paying Klaus Heyman for the privilege?)
>
> So far, I've only heard his Brahms, which I like, but will definitely be getting the late Haydn symphonies ...
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 6:32:31 PM UTC+2, Andrew Clarke wrote:

> So far, I've only heard his Brahms, which I like, but will definitely be getting the late Haydn symphonies ...
>
There are many excellent recordings of the later symphonies. Adam Fisher is interesting for the middle part of Haydn's symphonic oeuvre, which is less widely recorded.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:32:31 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> Any thoughts about this man, who made his name on Nimbus with Haydn and is now recording with Naxos? (I wonder how much the Danish Chamber Orchestra are paying Klaus Heyman for the privilege?)
>
> So far, I've only heard his Brahms, which I like, but will definitely be getting the late Haydn symphonies ...
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

The Haydn is (much) more conventional than the Brahms -- and all the better for it IMO.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:32:31 AM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > Any thoughts about this man, who made his name on Nimbus with Haydn and is now recording with Naxos? (I wonder how much the Danish Chamber Orchestra are paying Klaus Heyman for the privilege?)
> >
> > So far, I've only heard his Brahms, which I like, but will definitely be getting the late Haydn symphonies ...
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> Here is Dave Hurwitz's review:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BJ78VJnkc0

Jonathan, that is precisely *why* I shall very definitely getting the late Haydn symphonies!

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:

Jonathan, are you in some way connected to Ben Shrag?

<https://cautionaries.bandcamp.com/album/break-me-in>

Is the Ben in your name (or his) short for Benjamin, or is inherited from a patronymic, c.f. David Ben Gurion?

Was Schragadove originally two first names, Shraga plus Dov?

I take an interest in such things ...

Best wishes,

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 17:32:31 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> Any thoughts about this man, who made his name on Nimbus with Haydn and is now recording with Naxos? (I wonder how much the Danish Chamber Orchestra are paying Klaus Heyman for the privilege?)
>
> So far, I've only heard his Brahms, which I like, but will definitely be getting the late Haydn symphonies ...
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Hyperactive scamp conducting, which sometimes works very well (Beethoven #1, early Mozart symphonies). I really like his Dvorak 9 on the Berlin digital concert hall too.

On 8/21/2023 2:08 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
>
> Jonathan, are you in some way connected to Ben Shrag?
>
> <https://cautionaries.bandcamp.com/album/break-me-in>
>
> Is the Ben in your name (or his) short for Benjamin, or is inherited from a patronymic, c.f. David Ben Gurion?
>
> Was Schragadove originally two first names, Shraga plus Dov?
>
> I take an interest in such things ...
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

I was wondering the same thing. Had lunch at a friend's Shabbos. Two of the guests were named Sally and Harriet. I can remember knowing one Sally (an old boss) but not a single Harriet, which I looked up and found it's much more common in the UK than the US and is more popular among African Americans, because of Harriet Tubman and Harriet Beecher Stowe. Of course, there was Sally Ride and Dally Field and Sally Struthers and Sally Kellerman and Harriet Nelson, but I didn't know them.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:08:16 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
> Jonathan, are you in some way connected to Ben Shrag?
>
> <https://cautionaries.bandcamp.com/album/break-me-in>
>
> Is the Ben in your name (or his) short for Benjamin, or is inherited from a patronymic, c.f. David Ben Gurion?
>
> Was Schragadove originally two first names, Shraga plus Dov?
>
> I take an interest in such things ...
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Hi Andrew,

No relation to Ben Shrag; it's my screen name, and it's exactly as you say: Ben = "son of", plus my father's two first names.

Best Regards,

Jonathan

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:25:19 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:08:16 PM UTC-7, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
> > Jonathan, are you in some way connected to Ben Shrag?
> >
> > <https://cautionaries.bandcamp.com/album/break-me-in>
> >
> > Is the Ben in your name (or his) short for Benjamin, or is inherited from a patronymic, c.f. David Ben Gurion?
> >
> > Was Schragadove originally two first names, Shraga plus Dov?
> >
> > I take an interest in such things ...
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> Hi Andrew,
>
> No relation to Ben Shrag; it's my screen name, and it's exactly as you say: Ben = "son of", plus my father's two first names.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jonathan

What a wonderful way to commemorate your father. Thank you for sharing this with us,

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:37:29 PM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 2:08 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
> >
> > Jonathan, are you in some way connected to Ben Shrag?
> >
> > <https://cautionaries.bandcamp.com/album/break-me-in>
> >
> > Is the Ben in your name (or his) short for Benjamin, or is inherited from a patronymic, c.f. David Ben Gurion?
> >
> > Was Schragadove originally two first names, Shraga plus Dov?
> >
> > I take an interest in such things ...
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> I was wondering the same thing. Had lunch at a friend's Shabbos. Two of the guests were named Sally and Harriet. I can remember knowing one Sally (an old boss) but not a single Harriet, which I looked up and found it's much more common in the UK than the US and is more popular among African Americans, because of Harriet Tubman and Harriet Beecher Stowe. Of course, there was Sally Ride and Dally Field and Sally Struthers and Sally Kellerman and Harriet Nelson, but I didn't know them.

Harriet is a bit old fashioned outside the US too, and suggests Young Fogiedom: a British Harriet may have a brother called Jasper for instance.

In the Jewish world, is it possible that Harriet = Hannah, in the same way that Shirley = Sarah and Murray = Moishe?

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On 8/22/2023 4:13 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:37:29 PM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 8/21/2023 2:08 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
>>>
>>> Jonathan, are you in some way connected to Ben Shrag?
>>>
>>> <https://cautionaries.bandcamp.com/album/break-me-in>
>>>
>>> Is the Ben in your name (or his) short for Benjamin, or is inherited from a patronymic, c.f. David Ben Gurion?
>>>
>>> Was Schragadove originally two first names, Shraga plus Dov?
>>>
>>> I take an interest in such things ...
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Andrew Clarke
>>> Canberra
>> I was wondering the same thing. Had lunch at a friend's Shabbos. Two of the guests were named Sally and Harriet. I can remember knowing one Sally (an old boss) but not a single Harriet, which I looked up and found it's much more common in the UK than the US and is more popular among African Americans, because of Harriet Tubman and Harriet Beecher Stowe. Of course, there was Sally Ride and Dally Field and Sally Struthers and Sally Kellerman and Harriet Nelson, but I didn't know them.
>
> Harriet is a bit old fashioned outside the US too, and suggests Young Fogiedom: a British Harriet may have a brother called Jasper for instance.
>
> In the Jewish world, is it possible that Harriet = Hannah, in the same way that Shirley = Sarah and Murray = Moishe?
>

Absolutely, Howard or Harold for Chaim, Alan for Ari or Arieh, etc. It is common, but pretty meaningless. Many, many Jews have secular names bearing no obvious relation to their Hebrew name. This is less likely the more orthodox you get. In my own case, I'm sure I got a Hebrew name (and the accompanying circumcision) only due to pressure on my parents from relatives. They named me Franklin after FDR and my Hebrew name is Ephraim. They share the "fr" sound and that's all. There is no Ephraim in my family that I am named after. Franklin means "free man" and Ephraim means "fruitful." In the case of my younger brother, I don't even know if he HAS a Hebrew name (nor does he) and I wouldn't know how to find out.

> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

On 8/22/2023 4:13 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:37:29 PM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 8/21/2023 2:08 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:44:27 AM UTC+10, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
>>>
>>> Jonathan, are you in some way connected to Ben Shrag?
>>>
>>> <https://cautionaries.bandcamp.com/album/break-me-in>
>>>
>>> Is the Ben in your name (or his) short for Benjamin, or is inherited from a patronymic, c.f. David Ben Gurion?
>>>
>>> Was Schragadove originally two first names, Shraga plus Dov?
>>>
>>> I take an interest in such things ...
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Andrew Clarke
>>> Canberra
>> I was wondering the same thing. Had lunch at a friend's Shabbos. Two of the guests were named Sally and Harriet. I can remember knowing one Sally (an old boss) but not a single Harriet, which I looked up and found it's much more common in the UK than the US and is more popular among African Americans, because of Harriet Tubman and Harriet Beecher Stowe. Of course, there was Sally Ride and Dally Field and Sally Struthers and Sally Kellerman and Harriet Nelson, but I didn't know them.
>
> Harriet is a bit old fashioned outside the US too, and suggests Young Fogiedom: a British Harriet may have a brother called Jasper for instance.
>
> In the Jewish world, is it possible that Harriet = Hannah, in the same way that Shirley = Sarah and Murray = Moishe?
>

Absolutely, Howard or Harold for Chaim, Alan for Ari or Arieh, etc. It is common, but pretty meaningless. Many, many Jews have secular names bearing no obvious relation to their Hebrew name. This is less likely the more orthodox you get. In my own case, I'm sure I got a Hebrew name (and the accompanying circumcision) only due to pressure on my parents from relatives. They named me Franklin after FDR and my Hebrew name is Ephraim. They share the "fr" sound and that's all. There is no Ephraim in my family that I am named after. Franklin means "free man" and Ephraim means "fruitful." In the case of my younger brother, I don't even know if he HAS a Hebrew name (nor does he) and I wouldn't know how to find out.

> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 12:37:09=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
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Op dinsdag 19 september 2023 om 05:08:59 UTC+2 schreef rec.music.classical.recordings:

> Bruckner himself has made different versions (revisions or whatever they are named) of some of his symphonies. Why should one play the "original" versions in those cases?

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