On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 5:35:05 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> I’ll just mention that I saw Jack Quartet play Catherine Lamb’s Divisio Spiralis about three months ago -I’ve been listening to their CD tonight.
>
> Oh, and an interesting factoid, Occam’s Ocean 2 is for orchestra! I wonder how she worked with them. I had a chance to go to a performance but (regrettably) missed it.

Yet another something i remember from these liner notes i don't have anymore: working with orchestra was initially challenging, and the conceptual solution was to think of Frédéric Blondy as the instrumentalist and the whole orchestra as his instrument. However the process did also include meeting with each section of the orchestra separately to nail down a sense of what everyone's meant to be doing.

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:15:32 AM UTC+8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <b30a754d-3bcd-4372...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >... on the other hand now she seems to 'write' for musicians
> >basically the same way she 'wrote' for machines?
> Does she? From what's been suggested, she's very collaborative
> with the performers, who're making many of the choices....

I think you're right, perhaps more accurate (and also more interesting) to think about how such necessarily different creative processes are bent towards such similar sonic results...

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:15:32 AM UTC+8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <b30a754d-3bcd-4372...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I wonder if there's any interesting research on listening for voices
> >vs/alongside listening to totality of sound - ....
>
> Well, do note that I specifically do the latter as well. I'm always
> looking to track e.g. overall affect. So per e.g. mbira music (or
> Bach...), the "amount going on" in music is not necessarily tied
> directly to individuation of the performers, obviously. There's a
> play between these ideas, perhaps, but it's also something (at least
> for me) to ponder separately....
>
> So as far as how much is happening? There's certainly a subjectivity
> there, but even e.g. in an improvising trio, I'll sometimes get the
> impression (& will say so...) that only one thing is happening...
> that kind of contraction/concentration being, perhaps, part of an
> overall dynamic itself....
>
> Or maybe my mind is just all tangents.

I think I sometimes find long dhrupads overbearing in basically the same way you describe finding Radigue overbearing. And I rarely listen to dhrupad any more even as the conceptual mechanics of dhrupad continue to resonate very broadly in my listening and thinking. I guess with dhrupad it becomes hard to hear the melodic development as doing anything other than establishing and reestablishing the sophisticated harmonic space, but then the harmonic space remains static... but it's just my own limitation. Meanwhile Radigue offers no melodic anchoring but the harmonic space shifts constantly.

In article <cbdba543-d91f-40de-9416-3903b3d68cacn@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>... perhaps more accurate (and also more interesting) to think
>about how such necessarily different creative processes are bent
>towards such similar sonic results...

Yes, I think that's the appeal.
>I sometimes find long dhrupads overbearing in basically the same
>way you describe finding Radigue overbearing.
There's a one-dimensional quality to dhrupad, yeah.

In article <1ccf026b-cb1c-4721-888a-6ccfaffa8c94n@googlegroups.com>,
Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'll just mention that I saw Jack Quartet play Catherine Lamb’s
>Divisio Spiralis about three months ago -I've been listening to
>their CD tonight.

I'm glad to hear they're continuing to perform it. I saw Lamb was
at the Proms this summer too, so I guess she's doing well.

I want to say, I think there’s something special about Naldjorlak. I’ve only got the original recording with Charles Curtis. I just saw that there’s a second, live, recording on Bandcamp.

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:35:17 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> I want to say, I think there’s something special about Naldjorlak.. I’ve only got the original recording with Charles Curtis. I just saw that there’s a second, live, recording on Bandcamp.

My first impression was that it seemed like a not terribly successful sketch for ideas later explored in Occams. Like, too prescriptive, too much motion to fully sink in, I don't know exactly. But it's been a while and I haven't heard the new recording...

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC+1, cheregi wrote:
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:35:17 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > I want to say, I think there’s something special about Naldjorlak. I’ve only got the original recording with Charles Curtis. I just saw that there’s a second, live, recording on Bandcamp.
> My first impression was that it seemed like a not terribly successful sketch for ideas later explored in Occams. Like, too prescriptive, too much motion to fully sink in, I don't know exactly. But it's been a while and I haven't heard the new recording...

It was Nadjorlak iii which caught my attention most last night, a delta piece for two horns and a cello. I’m listening to it again now this morning and I still feel very positive about it.

Part of it may be that I like Charles Curtis, for reasons I couldn’t possibly explain. There’s an Occam piece on this CD

https://charlescurtis.bandcamp.com/album/performances-recordings-1998-2018

I also like the sound of my Nadjorlak recording - somehow it seems to capture the idea that the musicians are playinb quietly and yet the sound they make has a strong presence in the hall.

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:00:54 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC+1, cheregi wrote:
> > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:35:17 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > I want to say, I think there’s something special about Naldjorlak. I’ve only got the original recording with Charles Curtis. I just saw that there’s a second, live, recording on Bandcamp.
> > My first impression was that it seemed like a not terribly successful sketch for ideas later explored in Occams. Like, too prescriptive, too much motion to fully sink in, I don't know exactly. But it's been a while and I haven't heard the new recording...
> It was Nadjorlak iii which caught my attention most last night, a delta piece for two horns and a cello. I’m listening to it again now this morning and I still feel very positive about it.
>
> Part of it may be that I like Charles Curtis, for reasons I couldn’t possibly explain. There’s an Occam piece on this CD
>
> https://charlescurtis.bandcamp.com/album/performances-recordings-1998-2018
>
> I also like the sound of my Nadjorlak recording - somehow it seems to capture the idea that the musicians are playinb quietly and yet the sound they make has a strong presence in the hall.

That's NaLdjorlak!

In article <732c0cc7-50ee-4aa0-995a-a8bd4a63c199n@googlegroups.com>,
Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
>It was Nadjorlak iii which caught my attention most last night, a
>delta piece for two horns and a cello.

Is this from the currently unavailable recording, or something else?

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:35:46 PM UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <732c0cc7-50ee-4aa0...@googlegroups.com>,
> Mandryka <howie....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >It was Nadjorlak iii which caught my attention most last night, a
> >delta piece for two horns and a cello.
> Is this from the currently unavailable recording, or something else?

The one on Bandcamp and amazon only has Nadjorlak 1. The whole thing is here

https://www.discogs.com/master/1468700-%C3%89liane-Radigue-Naldjorlak-I-II-III
https://www.soundohm.com/product/naldjorlak-i-ii-iii-3cd-b

cheregi schrieb am Freitag, 6. Oktober 2023 um 07:56:29 UTC+2:
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:35:17 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > I want to say, I think there’s something special about Naldjorlak. I’ve only got the original recording with Charles Curtis. I just saw that there’s a second, live, recording on Bandcamp.
> My first impression was that it seemed like a not terribly successful sketch for ideas later explored in Occams. Like, too prescriptive, too much motion to fully sink in, I don't know exactly. But it's been a while and I haven't heard the new recording...

Hey Mister - remember what you said wrt the rightwing Israeli government and the IDF?

cheregi schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 23:03:34 UTC+2:
> not sure whats goin on in this thread just popping in to say i am jewish most of my extended family is in israel and yes that governmeis a killing machine

Hope you are happy the fakestinians are killing Jews again; they surely deserved it for voting for a goverenment that is a killing machine, right?...

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 7. Oktober 2023 um 14:13:46 UTC+2:
> cheregi schrieb am Freitag, 6. Oktober 2023 um 07:56:29 UTC+2:
> > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:35:17 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > I want to say, I think there’s something special about Naldjorlak. I’ve only got the original recording with Charles Curtis. I just saw that there’s a second, live, recording on Bandcamp.
> > My first impression was that it seemed like a not terribly successful sketch for ideas later explored in Occams. Like, too prescriptive, too much motion to fully sink in, I don't know exactly. But it's been a while and I haven't heard the new recording...
> Hey Mister - remember what you said wrt the rightwing Israeli government and the IDF?
>
> cheregi schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 23:03:34 UTC+2:
> > not sure whats goin on in this thread just popping in to say i am jewish most of my extended family is in israel and yes that governmeis a killing machine
>
> Hope you are happy the fakestinians are killing Jews again; they surely deserved it for voting for a goverenment that is a killing machine, right?....

Every human being has the right to liberate themselves from a government that is a killing machine - very simple; and since you are propagating the notion that Israel's government is a killing machine, you promote these kind of antisemitic outbursts - just as Ray did and Henk does in different ways. Sad you can't see it... but well... you can't even see that you aren't a woman - so whatever, I guess.

cheregi schrieb am Freitag, 6. Oktober 2023 um 07:56:29 UTC+2:
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:35:17 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > I want to say, I think there’s something special about Naldjorlak. I’ve only got the original recording with Charles Curtis. I just saw that there’s a second, live, recording on Bandcamp.
> My first impression was that it seemed like a not terribly successful sketch for ideas later explored in Occams. Like, too prescriptive, too much motion to fully sink in, I don't know exactly. But it's been a while and I haven't heard the new recording...

You are a fake; and I know it's causing you a lot of stress faking to be a woman... not healthy...

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:00:54 PM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> I also like the sound of my Nadjorlak recording - somehow it seems to capture the idea that the musicians are playinb quietly and yet the sound they make has a strong presence in the hall.

was this the vibe of the London concert?

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 1:45:04 AM UTC+1, cheregi wrote:
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:00:54 PM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > I also like the sound of my Nadjorlak recording - somehow it seems to capture the idea that the musicians are playinb quietly and yet the sound they make has a strong presence in the hall.
> was this the vibe of the London concert?

Exactly that. The sound fills the room with great presence, and it is a quiet sound. That’s one of the things that’s hard to reproduce at home.