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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 8 May 2023 02:30 UTC

Rodolfo Serkiner:

https://youtu.be/34uOX_uGL30

Tatian Nikolayeva:

https://youtu.be/CgBS2eU3nEQ

What sez you?

dk

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 by: Paul Alsing - Mon, 8 May 2023 05:12 UTC

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:30:52 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> Rodolfo Serkiner:
>
> https://youtu.be/34uOX_uGL30
>
> Tatian Nikolayeva:
>
> https://youtu.be/CgBS2eU3nEQ
>
> What sez you?
>
> dk

I say that Nikolayeva is better than Serkin... but the 1975 Argerich is way better than either one of them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6NLsXPrkVQ&list=PLSSG8CYKSxJspjZDyEjs3nQgWhj8IXryM

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Subject: Re: Chopin comme il ne faut pas
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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 8 May 2023 06:08 UTC

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:30:52 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > Rodolfo Serkiner:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/34uOX_uGL30
> >
> > Tatian Nikolayeva:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/CgBS2eU3nEQ
> >
> > What sez you?
>
> I say that Nikolayeva is better than Serkin...
> but the 1975 Argerich is way better than
> either one of them...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6NLsXPrkVQ

Thanks! As the subject line says, I am looking
for negative examples -- not for positive ones!

dk

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Op maandag 8 mei 2023 om 04:30:52 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> Rodolfo Serkiner:
>
> https://youtu.be/34uOX_uGL30
>
> Tatian Nikolayeva:
>
> https://youtu.be/CgBS2eU3nEQ
>
> What sez you?

I like Serkin's version. He is seriously trying to make music. Nikolayeva made me zap away after listening to my favourite prelude number 2.

Schiff is one of my black sheep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAlfvXQwWtA

Henk

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 by: Paul Alsing - Mon, 8 May 2023 14:38 UTC

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 11:09:01 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 10:12:33 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 7:30:52 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > Rodolfo Serkiner:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/34uOX_uGL30
> > >
> > > Tatian Nikolayeva:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/CgBS2eU3nEQ
> > >
> > > What sez you?
> >
> > I say that Nikolayeva is better than Serkin...
> > but the 1975 Argerich is way better than
> > either one of them...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6NLsXPrkVQ
> Thanks! As the subject line says, I am looking
> for negative examples -- not for positive ones!
>
> dk

I have no idea what the subject line says since I can't understand it.

Why would you ever want negative examples?

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Op maandag 8 mei 2023 om 16:38:57 UTC+2 schreef Paul Alsing:

> Why would you ever want negative examples?

Speaking for myself and Schiff's version of the Chopin Preludes, I see no reason why not. As a member of RMCR, I just say whatever the spirit orders me to say. It's not one of my talents to see only the good in life and art, let alone to speak of nothing else.

Henk

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 8 May 2023 19:06 UTC

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 7:38:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
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> I have no idea what the subject line says since I can't understand it.
>
> Why would you ever want negative examples?

"comme il ne faut pas" == as it should not (be played).

Your google does not auto-translate ?!?

dk

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Mon, 8 May 2023 23:43 UTC

On Tuesday, 9 May 2023 at 05:06:57 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 7:38:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > I have no idea what the subject line says since I can't understand it.
> >
> > Why would you ever want negative examples?
> "comme il ne faut pas" == as it should not (be played).
>
> Your google does not auto-translate ?!?
>
> dk

'As it isn't necessary' according to moi.

Ray Hall, Taree

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 9 May 2023 01:08 UTC

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 7:38:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 11:09:01 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > Thanks! As the subject line says, I am looking
> > for negative examples -- not for positive ones!
>
> Why would you ever want negative examples?

According to the French, "apprendre par fuire"
can be as effective as "apprendre par suivre".
Oftentimes it is more effective.

dk

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 by: Paul Alsing - Tue, 9 May 2023 03:20 UTC

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:06:57 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 7:38:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > I have no idea what the subject line says since I can't understand it.
> >
> > Why would you ever want negative examples?

> "comme il ne faut pas" == as it should not (be played).
>
> Your google does not auto-translate ?!?

Is there some compelling reason why you can't simply write in English like almost everyone else?

And no, foreign words are not automatically translated for me... if you want to communicate in a foreign language, aren't there forums available in those languages? You might be a lot happier over there...

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 by: Paul Alsing - Tue, 9 May 2023 03:22 UTC

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 6:08:11 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 7:38:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 11:09:01 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks! As the subject line says, I am looking
> > > for negative examples -- not for positive ones!
> >
> > Why would you ever want negative examples?

> According to the French, "apprendre par fuire"
> can be as effective as "apprendre par suivre".
> Oftentimes it is more effective.

It may as well be Greek, to me... and not effective at all...

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