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* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Paul
`* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Roland van Gaalen
 +* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Frank Berger
 |+* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Andy Evans
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 ||  |`* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Dan Koren
 ||  | `* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"raymond....@gmail.com
 ||  |  +* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Dan Koren
 ||  |  |`* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"vhorowitz
 ||  |  | `* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Dan Koren
 ||  |  |  `* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"vhorowitz
 ||  |  |   `* Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Dan Koren
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 ||  |  |    |+- Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Dan Koren
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 | `- Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Frank Berger
 `- Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"Paul

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Subject: Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"
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 by: Paul - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:49 UTC

Just posted to my blog:-

https://www.pauls-historic-classical-music.com/post/ansermet-s-1964-la-mer

Regards,

Paul

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 by: Roland van Gaalen - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 11:11 UTC

My favorite:
https://youtu.be/OZ16XVqlTCg
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:46 UTC

On 6/20/2023 7:11 AM, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
> My favorite:
> https://youtu.be/OZ16XVqlTCg
> --
> Roland van Gaalen
> Amsterdam

OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare to be scolded by Herman and Andy.

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 by: Paul - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:47 UTC

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 12:11:15 PM UTC+1, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
> My favorite:
> https://youtu.be/OZ16XVqlTCg
> --
> Roland van Gaalen
> Amsterdam
Nice version, reasonable French, too. Trenet would be my top choice, then Darin.

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Subject: Re: Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"
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 by: Andy Evans - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:21 UTC

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 15:46:43 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:

> OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare to be scolded by Herman and Andy.

You've missed the point entirely (and not for the first time)......

Paul's post was friendly and showed a desire to connect with other ng members.

He signed off "Regards, Paul"

When have you ever seen one of DK's links end with "Regards, Dan"?

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:27 UTC

On 6/20/2023 11:21 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 15:46:43 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>
>> OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare to be scolded by Herman and Andy.
>
> You've missed the point entirely (and not for the first time)......
>
> Paul's post was friendly and showed a desire to connect with other ng members.
>
> He signed off "Regards, Paul"
>
> When have you ever seen one of DK's links end with "Regards, Dan"?

LOL

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:52 UTC

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 7:46:43 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 6/20/2023 7:11 AM, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
> > My favorite:
> > https://youtu.be/OZ16XVqlTCg
> > --
> > Roland van Gaalen
> > Amsterdam
>
> OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare
> to be scolded by Herman and Andy.

He said "My favorite", didn't he? ;-)
That says a lot, doesn't it? ;-)

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:56 UTC

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 8:21:54 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 15:46:43 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> > OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare
> > to be scolded by Herman and Andy.
>
> You've missed the point entirely (and
> not for the first time)......
>
> Paul's post was friendly and showed a
> desire to connect with other ng members.

Dissecting other people's intentions?

> He signed off "Regards, Paul"
>
> When have you ever seen one of
> DK's links end with "Regards, Dan"?

Picky, picky. Obsessed with trivia
and protocol.

Why don't you draft some "rules"
we should all follow when posting?

dk

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 21:30 UTC

On 6/20/2023 12:52 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 7:46:43 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 6/20/2023 7:11 AM, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
>>> My favorite:
>>> https://youtu.be/OZ16XVqlTCg
>>> --
>>> Roland van Gaalen
>>> Amsterdam
>>
>> OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare
>> to be scolded by Herman and Andy.
>
> He said "My favorite", didn't he? ;-)
> That says a lot, doesn't it? ;-)
>
> dk

Yes. Missed it. Apologies to whoever.

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 by: vhorowitz - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 22:07 UTC

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 8:21:54 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 15:46:43 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
> >
> > > OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare
> > > to be scolded by Herman and Andy.
> >
> > You've missed the point entirely (and
> > not for the first time)......
> >
> > Paul's post was friendly and showed a
> > desire to connect with other ng members.
> Dissecting other people's intentions?
> > He signed off "Regards, Paul"
> >
> > When have you ever seen one of
> > DK's links end with "Regards, Dan"?
> Picky, picky. Obsessed with trivia
> and protocol.
>
> Why don't you draft some "rules"
> we should all follow when posting?
>
> dk

Ok, thanks for asking :)
Didn’t I already try to do that?
It’s simple.. like the same crap I do, always agree with me, and be courteous, even if I’ve been rude. The most important is to make sure to be rude if I’ve been courteous!

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 by: Andy Evans - Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:57 UTC

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:

> It’s simple.. like the same crap I do, always agree with me, and be courteous, even if I’ve been rude. The most important is to make sure to be rude if I’ve been courteous!

You are a gentleman and a scholar.......

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 21 Jun 2023 23:04 UTC

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:07:36 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 8:21:54 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 15:46:43 UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
> > >
> > > > OMG, a comment-less link. Prepare
> > > > to be scolded by Herman and Andy.
> > >
> > > You've missed the point entirely (and
> > > not for the first time)......
> > >
> > > Paul's post was friendly and showed a
> > > desire to connect with other ng members.
> >
> > Dissecting other people's intentions?
> >
> > > He signed off "Regards, Paul"
> > >
> > > When have you ever seen one of
> > > DK's links end with "Regards, Dan"?
> >
> > Picky, picky. Obsessed with trivia
> > and protocol.
> >
> > Why don't you draft some "rules"
> > we should all follow when posting?
>
> Ok, thanks for asking :)
> Didn’t I already try to do that?

No, you didn't. You made a comment.
Not the same thing.

> It’s simple.. like the same crap I do,
> always agree with me, and be courteous,
> even if I’ve been rude. The most important is
> to make sure to be rude if I’ve been courteous!

The "courtesy" of anonymous trolls is
meaningless. Take your mask off and
you will be treared very differently.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 21 Jun 2023 23:05 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
>
> You are a gentleman and a scholar.......

Impossible.

dk

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 00:50 UTC

On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 09:05:42 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> >
> > You are a gentleman and a scholar.......
> Impossible.
>
> dk

To get back to the topic, is Ansermet's 1964 La Mer available on CD?

Ray Hall, Taree

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 00:54 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:50:09 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 09:05:42 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> > >
> > > You are a gentleman and a scholar.......
>
> > Impossible.
>
> To get back to the topic, is Ansermet's 1964 La Mer available on CD?

Which of them? There are at least two:

OSR: https://youtu.be/nBArHdS8T84
NKSO: https://youtu.be/PV4HV2d7iCc

Download and burn the CDs yourself.
The new industry music paradigm is
"self-service". Enjoy!

dk

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Subject: Re: Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"
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 by: vhorowitz - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 02:15 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:54:49 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:50:09 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 09:05:42 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You are a gentleman and a scholar.......
> >
> > > Impossible.
> >
> > To get back to the topic, is Ansermet's 1964 La Mer available on CD?
> Which of them? There are at least two:
>
> OSR: https://youtu.be/nBArHdS8T84
> NKSO: https://youtu.be/PV4HV2d7iCc
>
> Download and burn the CDs yourself.
> The new industry music paradigm is
> "self-service". Enjoy!
>
> dk

Dan….I don’t need your rules either. I’m unimportant as a person, and I have enough self-awareness to know I’m of minor consequence in the musical world, in a broader sense, even if some place enough $ value on my work to keep me off the streets. Some folks know me online, but don’t know me personally, and that’s probably true for 98% of us here. I have made some friends as well elsewhere in the community, but this is how I prefer to do it here. I understand your point of view, but I’ll keep it thus. Everyone’s got their own thing here….will try to understand yours as well, and I’m sorry if that’s not in accord with your views about the issue.

Btw, some reports of replacement copies of the incorrect Ansermet La Mer (and apparently a distorting issue in the German Req) being included going forward at Presto and JPC (maybe it’s been mentioned) but have no idea (aside from ordering it from them) how those of us in the US will know if we’re getting a fixed set. Amazon is ZERO help in resolving stuff like this, and Universal seems unwilling to do replacement copy ships to the US, according to many reports.

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Subject: Re: Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"
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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 02:32 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 7:16:01 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:54:49 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:50:09 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 09:05:42 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are a gentleman and a scholar.......
> > >
> > > > Impossible.
> > >
> > > To get back to the topic, is Ansermet's
> > > 1964 La Mer available on CD?
> >
> > Which of them? There are at least two:
> >
> > OSR: https://youtu.be/nBArHdS8T84
> > NKSO: https://youtu.be/PV4HV2d7iCc
> >
> > Download and burn the CDs yourself.
> > The new industry music paradigm is
> > "self-service". Enjoy!
>
> Dan….I don’t need your rules either.

What rules ?!?

> I’m unimportant as a person,

Aren't we all ?!?

dk

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 by: vhorowitz - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:27 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:32:43 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 7:16:01 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:54:49 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:50:09 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 09:05:42 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are a gentleman and a scholar.......
> > > >
> > > > > Impossible.
> > > >
> > > > To get back to the topic, is Ansermet's
> > > > 1964 La Mer available on CD?
> > >
> > > Which of them? There are at least two:
> > >
> > > OSR: https://youtu.be/nBArHdS8T84
> > > NKSO: https://youtu.be/PV4HV2d7iCc
> > >
> > > Download and burn the CDs yourself.
> > > The new industry music paradigm is
> > > "self-service". Enjoy!
> >
> > Dan….I don’t need your rules either.
> What rules ?!?
> > I’m unimportant as a person,
> Aren't we all ?!?
>
> dk

You implied your “rule” was not to remain anonymous, and that to do so more or less invalidated any claims for “respect” along with the other 100 or so reasons that you’re probably saving up? I know you’re a busy man, so you can spread those out amongst your next replies.

Yep, we’re supremely unimportant beings lucky enough to have access to great music played by great artists to keep us in our place. I grovel daily.

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Subject: Re: Ansermet's 1964 "La Mer"
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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:44 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:27:09 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
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> You implied your “rule” was not to remain anonymous,

I did not "imply", I stated it clearly.

> and that to do so more or less
> invalidated any claims for
> “respect”

Not "more or less". Completely.

No one knows who you are. No
one even knows if you are a real
person or a deepfake. How do
you expect any "respect" from
others?

The bitter irony of this ng is that
some folks are clamoring for more
of a "community" feel, while at the
the same time they never say one
word about anonymous trolls.

Regards,

dk

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 by: Herman - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:57 UTC

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:44:38 AM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
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>
> No one knows who you are. No
> one even knows if you are a real
> person or a deepfake. How do
> you expect any "respect" from
> others?
>
By his conduct. His is good.
Your conduct is atrocious.
You're RMCR's resident monster
All your posting is negative and scolding.
You set rules for everybody except yourself.
Just shut up for once.

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 04:12 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:57:30 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:44:38 AM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > No one knows who you are. No
> > one even knows if you are a real
> > person or a deepfake. How do
> > you expect any "respect" from
> > others?
>
> By his conduct. His is good.

The "conduct" of anonymous
trolls is completely irrelevant
and meaningless.

> Your conduct is atrocious.

By holey Gouda criteria? How
about your conduct? Racist,
anti-youth and misogynistic?

> You're RMCR's resident monster

I am not "resident". I never
claimed any "residency".

> All your posting is negative
> and scolding. You set rules
> for everybody except yourself.

On the contrary, I object to all
rules.

> Just shut up for once.

After you.

dk

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 by: vhorowitz - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 11:56 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:44:38 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:27:09 PM UTC-7, vhorowitz wrote:
> >
> > You implied your “rule” was not to remain anonymous,
> I did not "imply", I stated it clearly.
> > and that to do so more or less
> > invalidated any claims for
> > “respect”
> Not "more or less". Completely.
>
> No one knows who you are. No
> one even knows if you are a real
> person or a deepfake. How do
> you expect any "respect" from
> others?
>
> The bitter irony of this ng is that
> some folks are clamoring for more
> of a "community" feel, while at the
> the same time they never say one
> word about anonymous trolls.
>
> Regards,
>
> dk

Deepfake, whoa….the depths of your fantasy world knows no bounds. I don’t know or care if you are Dan Koren or not. I never asked for “respect”. And god forbid, I know that even if YOU knew my name, rank and tone row number, YOU would be the same, so what’s the point if only you care? It’s quite apparent you wanted respect and attention here, but, not getting that, deciding lashing out like a three year old who’s wet his diaper is the solution to that.

Talking about deepfakes, do you plug our posts into some kind of “puerile gratuitous bile” generator to craft your replies?? Certainly has that feel.

Ok, you talked me into it…..my name is Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr…..you happy?

Cheers,

Michael

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 by: drh8h - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:32 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:50:09 PM UTC-4, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 09:05:42 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> > >
> > > You are a gentleman and a scholar.......
> > Impossible.
> >
> > dk
> To get back to the topic, is Ansermet's 1964 La Mer available on CD?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

Here it is: https://www.amazon.com/Ravel-Honegger-Pacific-LApprenti-Chabrier/dp/B0000042DS/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3GRXZC216MZIM&keywords=la+mer+ansermet&qid=1687437051&s=music&sprefix=la+mer+ansermet%2Cpopular%2C99&sr=1-3

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 by: mswd...@gmail.com - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:59 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 7:50:09 PM UTC-5, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 09:05:42 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:57:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 at 23:07:36 UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> > >
> > > You are a gentleman and a scholar.......
> > Impossible.
> >
> > dk
> To get back to the topic, is Ansermet's 1964 La Mer available on CD?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

I just ordered one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000042DS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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 by: mswd...@gmail.com - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:02 UTC

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:57:30 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:44:38 AM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> >
> > No one knows who you are. No
> > one even knows if you are a real
> > person or a deepfake. How do
> > you expect any "respect" from
> > others?
> >
> By his conduct. His is good.
> Your conduct is atrocious.
> You're RMCR's resident monster
> All your posting is negative and scolding.
> You set rules for everybody except yourself.
> Just shut up for once.

Hypocrite speaks: "My enemy sanctions me doing everything I claim to loathe.."


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