On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:24:22 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 12:54:08 UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> >
> > https://blog.oup.com/2018/03/claude-debussy-impressionist-music/
>
> And to continue with Debussy......
>
> “How much has to be explored and discarded before reaching the naked flesh of feeling.”
> ― Claude Debussy
>
> This is exactly how Picasso saw art. There are some marvellous quotes from him, including this lovely quote which echoes Debussy completely:
>
> "With me, a picture is a sum of destructions. I make a picture, and proceed to destroy it. But in the end nothing is lost - the red I have removed from one part shows up in another. When one begins a picture one often discovers fine things. One ought to beware of these, destroy one's picture, recreate it many times. On each destruction of a beautiful find, the artist does not suppress it - rather he transforms it, condenses it, makes it more substantial. The issue is the result of rejected discoveries. Otherwise one becomes one's own admirer. I sell myself nothing! I want to develop the ability to do a picture in such a way that no one can ever see how it has been done. To what end? What I want is that my picture should evoke nothing but emotion."

Have you seen Clouzot’s Le Mystère de Picasso? It is extraordinary how every gesture he makes, every revision and erasure, seems to make something beautiful.

On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 20:54:09 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> Have you seen Clouzot’s Le Mystère de Picasso? It is extraordinary how every gesture he makes, every revision and erasure, seems to make something beautiful.

It's on YT. I must watch it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa-mQcZfslc

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:56:10 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 20:54:09 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > Have you seen Clouzot’s Le Mystère de Picasso? It is extraordinary how every gesture he makes, every revision and erasure, seems to make something beautiful.
> It's on YT. I must watch it....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa-mQcZfslc

No that’s not it. I can’t see the whole film on YouTube, this is the start

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGCCWn7huDA

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 6:04:04 AM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:56:10 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 20:54:09 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > Have you seen Clouzot’s Le Mystère de Picasso? It is extraordinary how every gesture he makes, every revision and erasure, seems to make something beautiful.
> > It's on YT. I must watch it....
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa-mQcZfslc
> No that’s not it. I can’t see the whole film on YouTube, this is the start
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGCCWn7huDA

Here’s the whole film

https://vimeo.com/277814200

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:54:09 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:24:22 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 12:54:08 UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> > >
> > > https://blog.oup.com/2018/03/claude-debussy-impressionist-music/
> >
> > And to continue with Debussy......
> >
> > “How much has to be explored and discarded before reaching the naked flesh of feeling.”
> > ― Claude Debussy
> >
> > This is exactly how Picasso saw art. There are some marvellous quotes from him, including this lovely quote which echoes Debussy completely:
> >
> > "With me, a picture is a sum of destructions. I make a picture, and proceed to destroy it. But in the end nothing is lost - the red I have removed from one part shows up in another. When one begins a picture one often discovers fine things. One ought to beware of these, destroy one's picture, recreate it many times. On each destruction of a beautiful find, the artist does not suppress it - rather he transforms it, condenses it, makes it more substantial. The issue is the result of rejected discoveries. Otherwise one becomes one's own admirer. I sell myself nothing! I want to develop the ability to do a picture in such a way that no one can ever see how it has been done. To what end? What I want is that my picture should evoke nothing but emotion."
> Have you seen Clouzot’s Le Mystère de Picasso? It is extraordinary how every gesture he makes, every revision and erasure, seems to make something beautiful.

And it is stunning to see how extensively he revises on the fly!
Interesting filming technique, as I recall from seeing this many years ago.

On Wednesday, 28 April 2021 at 01:32:36 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> It's a cliche that all the best Spanish music was written by Frenchmen. To my ears, the rest sounds as if it were written by Spaniards as salon music for middle-class Frenchmen - all those pretty guitar pieces.
>
> Was Debussy an impressionist or a pointillist?
>
> Nothing 'bavard' about his string quartet, btw. Nor Ravel's.
> > Andrew Clarke > Canberra

The always eloquent Andrew Clarke.....

https://blog.oup.com/2018/03/claude-debussy-impressionist-music/

The article above is worth a read if this is of interest.
"Debussy did not like the label impressionist. He felt that it cast doubts on his originality. But he admitted a connection of sorts. Concerning the Images for orchestra he wrote: “I tried to make ‘something else’ of them and to create—in some manner—realities—what imbeciles call ‘impressionism,’ a term as poorly used as possible, especially by art critics . . .” By “realities” Debussy was referring to the approach he also followed in La Mer where he based his music not on an intermediary—like a painting of the sea—but on reality: the sea itself".

"Debussy was fascinated by the visual arts and literature, and his music frequently reflected his interests. But only a small portion of his compositions have titles that might seem Impressionistic. Several of his most famous pieces (Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun, Pelléas et Mélisande....) actually owe their origin to another “ism” popular at the time — Symbolism, a movement in many ways the aesthetic opposite of Impressionism."

Hah, this was actually the thread in which Frank decided to block me - just a few days or a week after I started posting here.

Probably shouldn't have deleted my comments - because of the whole picture; but that's just what I do everywhere (Twitter etc); just privacy concerns I guess.

On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 12:54:08 UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> https://blog.oup.com/2018/03/claude-debussy-impressionist-music/

And to continue with Debussy......

“How much has to be explored and discarded before reaching the naked flesh of feeling.”
― Claude Debussy

This is exactly how Picasso saw art. There are some marvellous quotes from him, including this lovely quote which echoes Debussy completely:

"With me, a picture is a sum of destructions. I make a picture, and proceed to destroy it. But in the end nothing is lost - the red I have removed from one part shows up in another. When one begins a picture one often discovers fine things. One ought to beware of these, destroy one's picture, recreate it many times. On each destruction of a beautiful find, the artist does not suppress it - rather he transforms it, condenses it, makes it more substantial. The issue is the result of rejected discoveries. Otherwise one becomes one's own admirer. I sell myself nothing! I want to develop the ability to do a picture in such a way that no one can ever see how it has been done. To what end? What I want is that my picture should evoke nothing but emotion."