Maybe our Dutch friends here - and everyone else - would like to fill us in on what a right wing Netherlands would mean?

Immigration seems to have been the deciding issue.

On Thursday, 23 November 2023 at 20:45:14 UTC, Herman wrote:
> Immigration seems to have been the deciding issue.

This is happening all over Europe. There has to be some changes coming, but it seems it's up to member states to make the changes.

On 23 Nov 2023 Oscar wrote:

> Swarthy, marauding hordes seem to have been the deciding issue.

In the confused minds of the misled, uneducated masses who's main or only
sources of "information" are a few "social" media bubbles?

Chris

Chris J. schrieb am Freitag, 24. November 2023 um 12:42:14 UTC+1:
> On 23 Nov 2023 Oscar wrote:
>
> > Swarthy, marauding hordes seem to have been the deciding issue.
> In the confused minds of the misled, uneducated masses who's main or only
> sources of "information" are a few "social" media bubbles?

What Oscar's comment is hinting at, is the following: Immigration wouldn't be a problem if the immigrants would be willing to behave in civilized ways.. Unfortunately... crime statistics etc. banlieues etc. show that especially people from muslim countries have a problem with doing so. Now Asians or Jews don't seem to have this problem... might have sth to do with their cultures ;)

Can't speak for the Netherlands, but it's probably similar to Germany:

Ostermann, the vice-president of the Bundespolizeigewerkschaft said sth along the following: It is very clear that according to the statistics, immigration seems to have a massive impact on crimes.

"Der Vize-Chef der Bundespolizeigewerkschaft Manuel Ostermann (32) zu BILD: „Auch im Zusammenhang mit der Migrationskrise wird das Problem steigender Gewalttaten deutlich. Die Statistik spricht da eine erschreckende aber deutliche Sprache.“"

There were 2 Million suspects according to the statistics of the BKA (Bundeskriminalamt), of which 780k were immigrants - lol.

These are official statistics. Time to reattach yourself to reality, Sir. You seem to be living the woke bubble.

Source:

https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/kriminalitaet-neue-schock-zahlen-immer-mehr-kriminelle-kinder-und-zuwanderer-83335282.bild.html

BTW: "Antisemitic incidents up 800% in the Netherlands since Oct. 7"

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-772364

>
> Chris

Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 24. November 2023 um 14:07:36 UTC+1:
> Chris J. schrieb am Freitag, 24. November 2023 um 12:42:14 UTC+1:
> > On 23 Nov 2023 Oscar wrote:
> >
> > > Swarthy, marauding hordes seem to have been the deciding issue.
> > In the confused minds of the misled, uneducated masses who's main or only
> > sources of "information" are a few "social" media bubbles?
> What Oscar's comment is hinting at, is the following: Immigration wouldn't be a problem if the immigrants would be willing to behave in civilized ways. Unfortunately... crime statistics etc. banlieues etc. show that especially people from muslim countries have a problem with doing so. Now Asians or Jews don't seem to have this problem... might have sth to do with their cultures ;)
>
> Can't speak for the Netherlands, but it's probably similar to Germany:
>
> Ostermann, the vice-president of the Bundespolizeigewerkschaft said sth along the following: It is very clear that according to the statistics, immigration seems to have a massive impact on crimes.
>
> "Der Vize-Chef der Bundespolizeigewerkschaft Manuel Ostermann (32) zu BILD: „Auch im Zusammenhang mit der Migrationskrise wird das Problem steigender Gewalttaten deutlich. Die Statistik spricht da eine erschreckende aber deutliche Sprache.“"
>
> There were 2 Million suspects according to the statistics of the BKA (Bundeskriminalamt), of which 780k were immigrants - lol.

*2 Million suspects in the year 2022.

Mind you: German population is not made up of 50% citizens and 50% immigrants. Would be also interesting to look how many of the 1,2 Million German suspects have a muslim background.

Ofc not all Muslims are bad... but Islam is a dangerous ideology, and makes many people behave in very stupid ways. It is not for nothing that Hitler was fond of Islam...

>
> These are official statistics. Time to reattach yourself to reality, Sir. You seem to be living the woke bubble.
>
> Source:
>
> https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/kriminalitaet-neue-schock-zahlen-immer-mehr-kriminelle-kinder-und-zuwanderer-83335282.bild.html
>
> BTW: "Antisemitic incidents up 800% in the Netherlands since Oct. 7"
>
> https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-772364
>
>
> >
> > Chris

On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> Maybe our Dutch friends here - and everyone else - would like
> to fill us in on what a right wing Netherlands would mean?

Posted without a "discussion"?!? Did the Thanksgiving
turkey impair your "intelligence" and writing "ability"?

Are you saying the Netherlands is becoming more like
Niedersachsen and Nordrhein-Westfalen? OMG !!!

dk

On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> Maybe our Dutch friends here - and everyone else -
> would like to fill us in on what a right wing Netherlands
> would mean?

The BBC can fill you in as well -- to the extent they
can be trusted to report the news without bias.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67526768

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67512204

On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:39:53 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> The BBC can fill you in as well -- to the extent they
> can be trusted to report the news without bias.
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67526768

Would the Beeb write such, viz. 'peroxide blonde', were the politician in question a female? NO.

<< Dutch society is polarised over what impact the rise of the peroxide blonde populist will have on their lives. >>

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:12:31 AM UTC-8, Oscar wrote:
> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:39:53 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > The BBC can fill you in as well -- to the extent they
> > can be trusted to report the news without bias.
> >
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67526768
>
> Would the Beeb write such, viz. 'peroxide blonde',
> were the politician in question a female? NO.

Irrelevant 7th order detail.

Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 08:39:53 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> >
> > Maybe our Dutch friends here - and everyone else -
> > would like to fill us in on what a right wing Netherlands
> > would mean?
> The BBC can fill you in as well -- to the extent they
> can be trusted to report the news without bias.
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67526768
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67512204

Without bias... lol... read that article again. Ocar has a sharp eye.

Furthermore: As opposed to Scholz who welcomed Erdogan in Germany after calling Israel a terrorist state and supporting Hamas, Wilders declared Erdogan to be a terrorist.

Quite telling that the turkish dictator expressed his support for Hamas, non? Where was the outrage of the turkish muslim community in Germany or the Netherlands? Oh, right... I missed it... they are busy crying over Wilders - lol.

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 10:37:55 UTC+1:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 08:39:53 UTC+1:
> > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe our Dutch friends here - and everyone else -
> > > would like to fill us in on what a right wing Netherlands
> > > would mean?
> > The BBC can fill you in as well -- to the extent they
> > can be trusted to report the news without bias.
> >
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67526768
> >
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67512204
> Without bias... lol... read that article again. Ocar has a sharp eye.
>
> Furthermore: As opposed to Scholz who welcomed Erdogan in Germany after calling Israel a terrorist state and supporting Hamas, Wilders declared Erdogan to be a terrorist.
>

The pictures of Scholz - a descendant of the nation that is responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews - shaking hands with Erdogan - who supports Hamas which wants eradicate Israel - shows quite clearly that the Germans have learned nothing from their past. Just a bunch of idiots honestly. Only in a country of idiots Scholz could have come this far.

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 10:52:47 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 10:37:55 UTC+1:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 08:39:53 UTC+1:
> > > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maybe our Dutch friends here - and everyone else -
> > > > would like to fill us in on what a right wing Netherlands
> > > > would mean?
> > > The BBC can fill you in as well -- to the extent they
> > > can be trusted to report the news without bias.
> > >
> > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67526768
> > >
> > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67512204
> > Without bias... lol... read that article again. Ocar has a sharp eye.
> >
> > Furthermore: As opposed to Scholz who welcomed Erdogan in Germany after calling Israel a terrorist state and supporting Hamas, Wilders declared Erdogan to be a terrorist.
> >
> The pictures of Scholz - a descendant of the nation that is responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews - shaking hands with Erdogan - who supports Hamas which wants eradicate Israel - shows quite clearly that the Germans have learned nothing from their past. Just a bunch of idiots honestly. Only in a country of idiots Scholz could have come this far.

Anyone remember Chamberlain appeasing Hitler? Him shaking hands with Hitler?

Thank God for Churchill.

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:52:47 AM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:

> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 10:37:55 UTC+1:

> > the Germans have learned nothing from their past. Just a bunch of idiots honestly. Only in a country of idiots Scholz could have come this far.

You are German, right? Your grandparents fought for Hitler, right?
Your heroic extreme positions sound eerily familiar.

Herman schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 11:44:16 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:52:47 AM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
>
> > Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 10:37:55 UTC+1:
>
> > > the Germans have learned nothing from their past. Just a bunch of idiots honestly. Only in a country of idiots Scholz could have come this far.
> You are German, right? Your grandparents fought for Hitler, right?
> Your heroic extreme positions sound eerily familiar.

Yeah, they sound similar to the heroic positions expressed by Beethoven or Churchill ;)

Erdogan's heroic position (*leader of the muslim nations) sounds very familiar to that of the Nazis. Unfortunately you who is also a descendant of antisemites and who has often expressed his antisemitic mindset in Israel-threads will not be able to see this. You are just as ignorant as Scholz. My parents differ from my grandparents. Since I grew up in South Korea I also never had any real ties with my grandparents etc.

Herman schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 11:44:16 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:52:47 AM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
>
> > Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 10:37:55 UTC+1:
>
> > > the Germans have learned nothing from their past. Just a bunch of idiots honestly. Only in a country of idiots Scholz could have come this far.
> You are German, right? Your grandparents fought for Hitler, right?
> Your heroic extreme positions sound eerily familiar.

You seem to have a hard time ignoring me btw ;D

Now go tell us all the lie about someone of your family (was it your granddad?) being sent to the deathcamps please.

Herman schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 11:44:16 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:52:47 AM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
>
> > Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 10:37:55 UTC+1:
>
> > > the Germans have learned nothing from their past. Just a bunch of idiots honestly. Only in a country of idiots Scholz could have come this far.
> You are German, right? Your grandparents fought for Hitler, right?
> Your heroic extreme positions sound eerily familiar.

Any words about the heroic exterme positions of Biden?

"We must be honest with each other and with ourselves. Too much of what's happening in our country today is not normal. Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic."

"I believe America is at an inflection point. One of those moments that determine the shape of everything that's to come after. And now, America must choose to move forward or to move backwards. To build a future or obsess about the past."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JemWkV2Vcic

So like the Nazis the American left has a very manichean worldview... and guess what... muslims also have a very manichean worldview.

The German state has sponsored Fakestinian terrorism for years. And even after the massacre of the 7th october, the Germans have not stopped.

"23/11/2023: Germany steps up humanitarian aid for Gaza
Berlin (d.de) - The humanitarian situation in Gaza is catastrophic. In an effort to reduce the suffering, Germany is boosting humanitarian aid to people in the Palestinian territories by 50 million euros. After the brutal terror attacks by Hamas against the state of Israel and its people on 7 October, the civilian population is of Gaza is also suffering the consequences of Hamas terrorism. Even supplies of essential goods and items have collapsed.. In response to the announcement of a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, Federal Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock demanded that, “The humanitarian ceasefire must be used to get essential aid to people in Gaza.”"

https://www.deutschland.de/en/news/germany-news-today-foreign-policy

So the Germans sent 50 million Euros to fakestinian territories... now what will happen to these 50 million Euros? What will Hamas or the PA do with it? It's obvious that sending money to regions controlled by terrorists will end up in the hands of the terrorists, non?

Similar to Germany sending 250 million Euros to Afghanistan... well do you think the Taliban will not take it? ;D

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 12:42:00 UTC+1:
> The German state has sponsored Fakestinian terrorism for years. And even after the massacre of the 7th october, the Germans have not stopped.
>
> "23/11/2023: Germany steps up humanitarian aid for Gaza
> Berlin (d.de) - The humanitarian situation in Gaza is catastrophic. In an effort to reduce the suffering, Germany is boosting humanitarian aid to people in the Palestinian territories by 50 million euros. After the brutal terror attacks by Hamas against the state of Israel and its people on 7 October, the civilian population is of Gaza is also suffering the consequences of Hamas terrorism. Even supplies of essential goods and items have collapsed. In response to the announcement of a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, Federal Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock demanded that, “The humanitarian ceasefire must be used to get essential aid to people in Gaza.”"

*One should note that the civilian population of Gaza is pretty much pro-Hamas and anti-Israel...

The people Israel gave work permits to from Gaza in an effort to make peace (which was a stupid decision on Israel's behalf btw), they drew maps and gave Hamas information about the people they worked with.

Funny how they make it seem as if the population in Gaza was anti-Hamas - LOL.

>
> https://www.deutschland.de/en/news/germany-news-today-foreign-policy
>
> So the Germans sent 50 million Euros to fakestinian territories... now what will happen to these 50 million Euros? What will Hamas or the PA do with it? It's obvious that sending money to regions controlled by terrorists will end up in the hands of the terrorists, non?
>
> Similar to Germany sending 250 million Euros to Afghanistan... well do you think the Taliban will not take it? ;D

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:44:24 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> Funny how they make it seem as if the
> population in Gaza was anti-Hamas - LOL.

In the second Palestinian Legislative Elections
held on January 25, 2006, Hamas won 74 seats,
displacing Fatah as Gaza's controlling authority
as the latter only managed to capture 43 seats.

There have been no general elections held in the
Palestinian territories since 2006, and Hamas has
controlled Gaza since then completely uncontested.

This makes Hamas Gaza's government both the
facto and de jure. The October 7 attack was an
act of war by Gaza's government against another
nation, rather than merely a random act of terror
by a random group of local hot heads. Israel has
every right to defend itself and to respond in the
same way as if attacked by any other nation.

The press everywhere (including many conservative
outlets) is deliberately and willfully misrepresenting
the facts by referring to Hamas as "activists" or
"militants", rather than as state terrorists, which
they are.

The press everywhere (including many conservative
outlets) is deliberately glossing over the fact a very
large fraction of the Palestinian population does in
fact support Hamas in particular, and terrorism in
general. See this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0O0jfgls

Thx

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:51:39 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:44:24 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Funny how they make it seem as if the
> > population in Gaza was anti-Hamas - LOL.
> In the second Palestinian Legislative Elections
> held on January 25, 2006, Hamas won 74 seats,
> displacing Fatah as Gaza's controlling authority
> as the latter only managed to capture 43 seats.
>
> There have been no general elections held in the
> Palestinian territories since 2006, and Hamas has
> controlled Gaza since then completely uncontested.
>
> This makes Hamas Gaza's government both the
> facto and de jure. The October 7 attack was an
> act of war by Gaza's government against another
> nation, rather than merely a random act of terror
> by a random group of local hot heads. Israel has
> every right to defend itself and to respond in the
> same way as if attacked by any other nation.
>
> The press everywhere (including many conservative
> outlets) is deliberately and willfully misrepresenting
> the facts by referring to Hamas as "activists" or
> "militants", rather than as state terrorists, which
> they are.
>
> The press everywhere (including many conservative
> outlets) is deliberately glossing over the fact a very
> large fraction of the Palestinian population does in
> fact support Hamas in particular, and terrorism in
> general. See this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0O0jfgls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR7nVYz9rJo

Thx

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:22:53 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:51:39 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:44:24 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > Funny how they make it seem as if the
> > > population in Gaza was anti-Hamas - LOL.
> > In the second Palestinian Legislative Elections
> > held on January 25, 2006, Hamas won 74 seats,
> > displacing Fatah as Gaza's controlling authority
> > as the latter only managed to capture 43 seats.
> >
> > There have been no general elections held in the
> > Palestinian territories since 2006, and Hamas has
> > controlled Gaza since then completely uncontested.
> >
> > This makes Hamas Gaza's government both the
> > facto and de jure. The October 7 attack was an
> > act of war by Gaza's government against another
> > nation, rather than merely a random act of terror
> > by a random group of local hot heads. Israel has
> > every right to defend itself and to respond in the
> > same way as if attacked by any other nation.
> >
> > The press everywhere (including many conservative
> > outlets) is deliberately and willfully misrepresenting
> > the facts by referring to Hamas as "activists" or
> > "militants", rather than as state terrorists, which
> > they are.
> >
> > The press everywhere (including many conservative
> > outlets) is deliberately glossing over the fact a very
> > large fraction of the Palestinian population does in
> > fact support Hamas in particular, and terrorism in
> > general. See this:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0O0jfgls
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR7nVYz9rJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANO9oqPCJqI

Dan Koren schrieb am Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 05:51:39 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:44:24 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Funny how they make it seem as if the
> > population in Gaza was anti-Hamas - LOL.
> In the second Palestinian Legislative Elections
> held on January 25, 2006, Hamas won 74 seats,
> displacing Fatah as Gaza's controlling authority
> as the latter only managed to capture 43 seats.
>
> There have been no general elections held in the
> Palestinian territories since 2006, and Hamas has
> controlled Gaza since then completely uncontested.
>
> This makes Hamas Gaza's government both the
> facto and de jure. The October 7 attack was an
> act of war by Gaza's government against another
> nation, rather than merely a random act of terror
> by a random group of local hot heads. Israel has
> every right to defend itself and to respond in the
> same way as if attacked by any other nation.
>
> The press everywhere (including many conservative
> outlets) is deliberately and willfully misrepresenting
> the facts by referring to Hamas as "activists" or
> "militants", rather than as state terrorists, which
> they are.
>
> The press everywhere (including many conservative
> outlets) is deliberately glossing over the fact a very
> large fraction of the Palestinian population does in
> fact support Hamas in particular, and terrorism in
> general. See this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0O0jfgls
>
> Thx

Yes. I'll take a look later, no time right now.

Einat Wilf:

"When I say that the Palestinian ethos at its core negates Jewish self determination in any part of the land between the River and the Sea, many challenge me arguing that I exaggerate and that there is a wide range of view among Palestinians. My response is always that by making such a broad claim I have made it easy to disprove me, and so I ask those who challenge me to bring me publicly stated words (not mediated) by a Palestinian that say "we Palestinians recognize the equal right of the Jewish people, as a peopleto self determination in their historic homeland. We seek nothing more than a state of our own in the West Bank and Gaza next to the Jewish state of IsraelWe understand that this means that we will never settle inside Israel in the name of returnand that all such talk of returnis over". Not one of those who have questioned my analysis has been able to come back with such a statement. On the contrary, the responses they do bring always confirm the thesis by including various forms of railing against Israel, Zionism and insisting on "return". The day we will hear Palestinian voices publicly and clearly recognizing the equal Jewish right to self determination in at least part of the land is the day we will have peace."