I could post this in WAYTL, but I’ll make a new topic for this 2021 live performance of Fauré’s C minor Piano Quintet, the second-but-last chamber work he composed. Only the Piano Trio and the valedictory String Quartet came after. By the time Fauré wrote these three pieces he was absolutely deaf. And yet the Quintet has, in my mind, a distinct devout sensuality. The coda of the slow movement (25:05) in this video is out of this world.

On first violin is Guillaume Sutre, formerly of the seminal Quatuor Ysyae and Trio Wanderer. On viola one of my favorite string players, Marie Chilemme, who turned the Quatuor Ebene into the great band it is since she joined in 2017. Unlike a lot of viola players, she played the viola since the very start, at age three.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE99Jed4hw4

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:30:31 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
>
> Unlike a lot of viola players, she played
> the viola since the very start, at age three.
>

How does a 3-year old play a viola ?!?

Thx

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:30:31 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE99Jed4hw4

This requires a better pianist than is on offer here.
The violist is fine. What is one to think of a string
quartet where the violist is better than everyone
else?

Try this:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2f-sOK0MmJJSPpdt9y0qQg8pMBVUElOX

Cheers

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:37:00 PM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> This requires a better pianist than is on offer here.
> The violist is fine. What is one to think of a string
> quartet where the violist is better than everyone
> else?
>
1 you have not a single clue about violin / viola / cello playing
2 you're comparing a patched studio recording to a live recording.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:30:31 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE99Jed4hw4

Judging by the copious amount of recent
Fauré performances on YouTube, a Fauré
revival seems under way, facilitated in part
by copyright expiring for many 1970s and
earlier Fauré recordings.

I hope to see a similar revival for d'Indy's
chamber and orchestral music.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2f-sOK0MmJLtHwLKlAV2Gjkip5xLneai

Cheers

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:50:20 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:37:00 PM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > This requires a better pianist than is on offer here.
> > The violist is fine. What is one to think of a string
> > quartet where the violist is better than everyone
> > else?
>
> 1 you have not a single clue about violin / viola / cello playing

You are welcome to educate and to enlighten us.
AFAIK many 3 year olds as barely as tall as a viola.

> 2 you're comparing a patched studio recording to
> a live recording.

Can you provide evidence the studio recording was
"patched"?

I am not comparing the recordings, I am comparing
the pianists: Thomas Hoppe versus Pascal Rogé. I
may not know much about viola playing, however I
do know a thing or two about piano playing.

Ciao

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> AFAIK many 3 year olds as barely as tall as a viola.
>
Just as with violins and cellos, there are quarter size, half size and 3/4 size instruments for young players. That said, it’s way more common for the youngsters to start on violin, and then switch to viola later, if they are afraid of "heights"… What was the famous quote of Brahms to a young violist who arrived to play through his Sonatas…. “so young, and already a violist?"

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-8, vhorowitz wrote:
>
> the famous quote of Brahms to a young violist who
> arrived to play through his Sonatas…. “so young, and
> already a violist?"

Touché! But which sonatas? The ones for violin? Or
the ones for clarinet?

Thx

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:00:59 PM UTC+1, vhorowitz wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK many 3 year olds as barely as tall as a viola.
> >
> Just as with violins and cellos, there are quarter size, half size and 3/4 size instruments for young players.

Don't try to explain, the man knows nothing.

The point was that Marie Chilemme is one of those rare violists who chose the viola straightaway.
Her brother Guillaume is violinist. They used to play together in Quatuor Cavatina.

In article <a57af858-4a03-4252-830d-129e3b0ece30n@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The point was that Marie Chilemme is one of those rare violists
>who chose the viola straightaway.

Viola has become quite popular in improvised music lately -- not
that that precludes someone having started on violin. There are
more prominent violists these days than there are violinists, in
improv space I mean, and possibly even than cellists.... Of course,
there are even more double bassists. The violin just ends up seeming
more restrictive to today's players (in register especially),
although there are still improv violinists too.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:16:00 PM UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>
..
> Viola has become quite popular in improvised music lately -- not
> that that precludes someone having started on violin.

I know, viola is hip. It's got that soulful sound, and it doesn't have the virtuoso baggage.

If I were three years old, I know what I'd do.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:53:56 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
>
> If I were three years old, I know what I'd do.
>

Send us a postcard when you get there.

Cheers

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
>
> The point was that Marie Chilemme is one of those
> rare violists who chose the viola straightaway.
> Her brother Guillaume is violinist. They used
> to play together in Quatuor Cavatina.

And why do you think Mme Chilemme's
family tree could be of interest to this ng?

Cheers

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-8, vhorowitz wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK many 3 year olds as barely as tall as a viola.
> >
> Just as with violins and cellos, there are quarter size,
> half size and 3/4 size instruments for young players.

The converse is also true. There are quarter size, half
size, and 3/4 size string players for all instruments.

Watch out when a 3/4 player performs on a full
size instrument. They tend to break strings! ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkp8YSuePPM

Cheers

On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 19:30:31 UTC, Herman wrote:
> I could post this in WAYTL, but I’ll make a new topic for this 2021 live performance of Fauré’s C minor Piano Quintet, the second-but-last chamber work he composed. Only the Piano Trio and the valedictory String Quartet came after. By the time Fauré wrote these three pieces he was absolutely deaf. And yet the Quintet has, in my mind, a distinct devout sensuality. The coda of the slow movement (25:05) in this video is out of this world.
>
> On first violin is Guillaume Sutre, formerly of the seminal Quatuor Ysyae and Trio Wanderer. On viola one of my favorite string players, Marie Chilemme, who turned the Quatuor Ebene into the great band it is since she joined in 2017. Unlike a lot of viola players, she played the viola since the very start, at age three.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE99Jed4hw4

Interesting post. Thanks! I'll check out the Faure.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:52:16 PM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
>
a Fauré
> revival seems under way, facilitated in part
> by copyright expiring for many 1970s and
> earlier Fauré recordings.

As usual you have it exactly backwards. This revival is not about listening to same old, but about a new vision of Fauré, facilitated by new, better editions which have been on their way in the past fifteen years - geared towards the big 2024 centenary. The performers in the 115 are playing from one of these.

The serene somnolent Fauré of the padded Requiems everyone used to know is been superseded by a more conflicted and passionate music as evidenced in the above performance.

In chamber music Eric Le Sage, the Ysaye and Ebene quartets have been major champions of this new Fauré.

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 4:46:30 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:52:16 PM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> a Fauré
> > revival seems under way, facilitated in part
> > by copyright expiring for many 1970s and
> > earlier Fauré recordings.
> As usual you have it exactly backwards. This revival is not about listening to same old, but about a new vision of Fauré, facilitated by new, better editions which have been on their way in the past fifteen years - geared towards the big 2024 centenary. The performers in the 115 are playing from one of these.
>
> The serene somnolent Fauré of the padded Requiems everyone used to know is been superseded by a more conflicted and passionate music as evidenced in the above performance.
>
> In chamber music Eric Le Sage, the Ysaye and Ebene quartets have been major champions of this new Fauré.

I compared several recordings of the piano quartets and quintets. Domus on Hyperion still remains my favorite. They are outstanding IMO.

vhorowitz schrieb am Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 23:00:59 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK many 3 year olds as barely as tall as a viola.
> >
> Just as with violins and cellos, there are quarter size, half size and 3/4 size instruments for young players. That said, it’s way more common for the youngsters to start on violin, and then switch to viola later, if they are afraid of "heights"… What was the famous quote of Brahms to a young violist who arrived to play through his Sonatas…. “so young, and already a violist?"

To whom did Brahms say this? Also, how old was the violinist?

I think it's quite likely Brahms was just impressed and being nice. Do you believe there to be 3 year olds who can play not just one, but through all his 3 Sonatas? Lol...

At that age it's not really about playing... it's about learning the physical skills and acquiring an understanding of the world through the lens of music and a fractional-sized stringed instrument.

Wanna hear a 3 year old "play" the violin?

Look here:

https://www.facebook.com/andrerieu/videos/3-year-old-akim-playing-the-violin/10156013017192425/

I'm sure Brahms would have been impressed ;)

Herman schrieb am Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 20:30:31 UTC+1:
> I could post this in WAYTL, but I’ll make a new topic for this 2021 live performance of Fauré’s C minor Piano Quintet, the second-but-last chamber work he composed. Only the Piano Trio and the valedictory String

You could also just shut the fuck up ;D

> Quartet came after. By the time Fauré wrote these three pieces he was absolutely deaf. And yet the Quintet has, in my mind, a distinct devout sensuality. The coda of the slow movement (25:05) in this video is out of this world.

Herman talking about "sensuality" - LOL.

>
> On first violin is Guillaume Sutre, formerly of the seminal Quatuor Ysyae and Trio Wanderer. On viola one of my favorite string players, Marie Chilemme, who turned the Quatuor Ebene into the great band it is since she joined in 2017. Unlike a lot of viola players, she played the viola since the very start, at age three.

Ok, we can all tell that you are infatuated with the violist. Now what do you have to say about the interpretation? Apart from the coda of the slow movement being "out of this world" and that in your mind the Quintet has a "distinct devout sensuality"...

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE99Jed4hw4

Herman schrieb am Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 23:53:56 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:16:00 PM UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> >
> .
> > Viola has become quite popular in improvised music lately -- not
> > that that precludes someone having started on violin.
> I know, viola is hip. It's got that soulful sound, and it doesn't have the virtuoso baggage.
>
> If I were three years old, I know what I'd do.

Yeah... well... looking at your idiocy, I am certain that you would not have had the cognitive abilities as a 3year old to learn to play the violin/viola... much less the talent to be a musician...

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 27. November 2023 um 13:12:36 UTC+1:
> Herman schrieb am Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 20:30:31 UTC+1:
> > I could post this in WAYTL, but I’ll make a new topic for this 2021 live performance of Fauré’s C minor Piano Quintet, the second-but-last chamber work he composed. Only the Piano Trio and the valedictory String
> You could also just shut the fuck up ;D
> > Quartet came after. By the time Fauré wrote these three pieces he was absolutely deaf. And yet the Quintet has, in my mind, a distinct devout sensuality. The coda of the slow movement (25:05) in this video is out of this world.
> Herman talking about "sensuality" - LOL.
> >
> > On first violin is Guillaume Sutre, formerly of the seminal Quatuor Ysyae and Trio Wanderer. On viola one of my favorite string players, Marie Chilemme, who turned the Quatuor Ebene into the great band it is since she joined in 2017. Unlike a lot of viola players, she played the viola since the very start, at age three.
> Ok, we can all tell that you are infatuated with the violist. Now what do you have to say about the interpretation? Apart from the coda of the slow movement being "out of this world" and that in your mind the Quintet has a "distinct devout sensuality"...

*to be correct: the quintet having a "distinct devout sensuality" is just a characterization of the piece; has got nothing to do with the interpretation.

Could you explain how this devout sensuality is achieved musically? Was Faure influenced by religious music here? Can you point it out in the score? How does it differ from the sensuality expressed in the music of Beethoven?

>
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE99Jed4hw4

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 27. November 2023 um 13:09:12 UTC+1:
> vhorowitz schrieb am Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 23:00:59 UTC+1:
> > On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > AFAIK many 3 year olds as barely as tall as a viola.
> > >
> > Just as with violins and cellos, there are quarter size, half size and 3/4 size instruments for young players. That said, it’s way more common for the youngsters to start on violin, and then switch to viola later, if they are afraid of "heights"… What was the famous quote of Brahms to a young violist who arrived to play through his Sonatas…. “so young, and already a violist?"
> To whom did Brahms say this? Also, how old was the violinist?
>
> I think it's quite likely Brahms was just impressed and being nice. Do you believe there to be 3 year olds who can play not just one, but through all his 3 Sonatas? Lol...
>
> At that age it's not really about playing... it's about learning the physical skills and acquiring an understanding of the world through the lens of music and a fractional-sized stringed instrument.
>
> Wanna hear a 3 year old "play" the violin?
>
> Look here:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/andrerieu/videos/3-year-old-akim-playing-the-violin/10156013017192425/

*You tube link: Andre Rieu + Akim Camara:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-sfoqUa0vs

>
> I'm sure Brahms would have been impressed ;)

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 12:12:20 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
>
> I compared several recordings of the piano quartets and quintets. Domus on Hyperion still remains my favorite. They are outstanding IMO.

I agree, it's from the nineties and still stands. It doesn't have the dramatic intensity of the above, but what can you expect?

What I like about the above is also the balance. It's clearly a string quartet with piano accompaniment. Leadership is not coming from the piano, but from Sutre.

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 27. November 2023 um 13:09:12 UTC+1:
> vhorowitz schrieb am Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 23:00:59 UTC+1:
> > On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > AFAIK many 3 year olds as barely as tall as a viola.
> > >
> > Just as with violins and cellos, there are quarter size, half size and 3/4 size instruments for young players. That said, it’s way more common for the youngsters to start on violin, and then switch to viola later, if they are afraid of "heights"… What was the famous quote of Brahms to a young violist who arrived to play through his Sonatas…. “so young, and already a violist?"
> To whom did Brahms say this? Also, how old was the violinist?

Guess it was Huberman?

>
> I think it's quite likely Brahms was just impressed and being nice. Do you believe there to be 3 year olds who can play not just one, but through all his 3 Sonatas? Lol...
>
> At that age it's not really about playing... it's about learning the physical skills and acquiring an understanding of the world through the lens of music and a fractional-sized stringed instrument.
>
> Wanna hear a 3 year old "play" the violin?
>
> Look here:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/andrerieu/videos/3-year-old-akim-playing-the-violin/10156013017192425/
>
> I'm sure Brahms would have been impressed ;)