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* Is this the finest Mendelssohn PC#1 on record?Dan Koren
`* Is this the finest Mendelssohn PC#1 on record?Alex Brown
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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 00:32 UTC

https://youtu.be/xo0dVZoJ2hQ

Thoughts? Opinions?

Thx

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 by: Alex Brown - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:43 UTC

On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 00:32:04 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://youtu.be/xo0dVZoJ2hQ
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> Thoughts? Opinions?
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> Thx

Cummon! Surely ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPYn6u4EYE

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 by: JohnGavin - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:34 UTC

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:43:17 PM UTC-5, Alex Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 00:32:04 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/xo0dVZoJ2hQ
> >
> > Thoughts? Opinions?
> >
> > Thx
> Cummon! Surely ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPYn6u4EYE

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 by: JohnGavin - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:41 UTC

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:43:17 PM UTC-5, Alex Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 00:32:04 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/xo0dVZoJ2hQ
> >
> > Thoughts? Opinions?
> >
> > Thx
> Cummon! Surely ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPYn6u4EYE

I wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but since Alex pointed out Yuja Wang’s YouTube, I’ll say that I have to agree with him. The Russian pianist to my ears plays Mendelssohn in a Brahmsian manner. Solid for sure, but too heavy handed. This is the composer of Midsummer Night’s Dream. The playing needs to be fleet and light. He has no sparkle in his playing, and therefore misses the point.

Great Mendelssohn from a Russian pianist would be the Scherzo from MND by Rachmaninoff or Benno M.

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:50 UTC

JohnGavin schrieb am Dienstag, 28. November 2023 um 22:41:46 UTC+1:
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:43:17 PM UTC-5, Alex Brown wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 00:32:04 UTC, n Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/xo0dVZoJ2hQ
> > >
> > > Thoughts? Opinions?
> > >
> > > Thx
> > Cummon! Surely ... https://
this thread, but since Alex pointed out Yuja Wang’s YouTube, I’ll say that I have to agree with him. The Russian pianist to my ears plays Mendelssohn in a Brahmsian manner. Solid for sure, but too heavy handed. This is the composer of Midsummer Night’s Dream. The playing needs to be fleet and light. He has no sparkle in his playing, and therefore misses the point.
>
> Great Mendelssohn from a Russian pianist would be the Scherzo from MND by Rachmaninoff or Benno M.

Why didn't you want to comment on this thread? Because you feel like boycotting Dan or because you feared replies over your disagreement?

I agree with both you, but I don't like Wang either. I liked Bashkirov a little a while back, not so much anymore. I was a bit surprised Dan liked this, but I guess he was in the mood for a heavier version.

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 by: Marc S - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:00 UTC

JohnGavin schrieb am Dienstag, 28. November 2023 um 22:41:46 UTC+1:
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:43:17 PM UTC-5, Alex Brown wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 00:32:04 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/xo0dVZoJ2hQ
> > >
> > > Thoughts? Opinions?
> > >
> > > Thx
> > Cummon! Surely ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPYn6u4EYE
> I wasn’t going to comment on this thread, but since Alex pointed out Yuja Wang’s YouTube, I’ll say that I have to agree with him. The Russian pianist to my ears plays Mendelssohn in a Brahmsian manner. Solid for sure, but too heavy handed. This is the composer of Midsummer Night’s Dream. The playing needs to be fleet and light. He has no sparkle in his playing, and therefore misses the point.
>
> Great Mendelssohn from a Russian pianist would be the Scherzo from MND by Rachmaninoff or Benno M.

Speaking about playing Mendelssohn in a Brahmsian manner; would you say that Kissin plays the Brahms PC 1 (live version on yt) in a Mendelssohnian manner?

Hmmm... I have to think about if I like Kissin or Gelber more in the Brahms PC 1... I think I may prefer Kissin's approach... but for now I'm still busy with Mozart's operas.

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 by: Owen Hartnett - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:44 UTC

On Nov 28, 2023 at 2:43:14 PM EST, "Alex Brown" <adjb@adjb.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 00:32:04 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
>> https://youtu.be/xo0dVZoJ2hQ
>>
>> Thoughts? Opinions?
>>
>> Thx

(In my best John MacEnroe tone of voice:) Are you serious???

Lousy video print, not only just archaic sound but with the added attraction
of some fan motor rub-rub-rubbing near the mike in all the passages that
weren't bleated out by the execrably slow tempoed orchestra.

Save what's left of your ears and listen to Yuja, she'll treat you right:

>
> Cummon! Surely ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPYn6u4EYE

And she gets the mood of this almost bubblegum concerto just right, and
everybody and their fur coats leaves smiling.
(Except probably DK.)

-Owen

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:03 UTC

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 7:44:55 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
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> And she gets the mood of this almost bubblegum concerto
> just right, and everybody and their fur coats leaves smiling.
> (Except probably DK.)
>

I don't wear fur coats ;-)

dk

Re: Is this the finest Mendelssohn PC#1 on record?

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Subject: Re: Is this the finest Mendelssohn PC#1 on record?
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 by: JohnGavin - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:50 UTC

Some more spirited Felix:

https://youtu.be/a4T8sfTFkR0?si=uzLhWh-CwdSsTBoC

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On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:50:33 AM UTC-5, JohnGavin wrote:
> Some more spirited Felix:
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> https://youtu.be/a4T8sfTFkR0?si=uzLhWh-CwdSsTBoC

And just one more unbelievably great recording:

https://youtu.be/_Z2MaVFYck0?si=H-eL5UDtJ4YGCb32

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 by: Marc S - Wed, 6 Dec 2023 11:06 UTC

Also have to revise what I stated here: While I find it a tad heavy, Bashkirov's playing is really nice (His KV 382 is very nice as well; his 453 too (this one only pianistically, as Barshai's accompaniment sucks) -- I do not like his two 491 recordings though).


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