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 by: Andy Evans - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:04 UTC

Jumping the gun by a couple of days, but here's a fresh thread.

Listening to Dvorak String Quartets on Youtube as I do some work. Very nice.

I haven't burned out on Dvorak like I have on Chopin - haven't listened to Chopin for almost a year and the piano competitions just burn me out even faster.

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 by: JohnGavin - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:21 UTC

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
> Jumping the gun by a couple of days, but here's a fresh thread.
>
> Listening to Dvorak String Quartets on Youtube as I do some work. Very nice.
>
> I haven't burned out on Dvorak like I have on Chopin - haven't listened to Chopin for almost a year and the piano competitions just burn me out even faster.

Prokofiev - “War Sonatas” 6, 7, 8 Steven Osborne

Impossible to praise this highly enough. Steven Osborne never makes a bad recording. Particularly outstanding is his sense of sound, color, and expert use of the sustain pedal, with which he creates beautiful effects. His Prokofiev is vibrant and exciting without being overly steely in sound. Highly recommended, and now streaming along with all of his other Hyperion recordings.

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On 2023-11-29 11:21 a.m., JohnGavin wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
>> Jumping the gun by a couple of days, but here's a fresh thread.
>>
>> Listening to Dvorak String Quartets on Youtube as I do some work. Very nice.
>>
>> I haven't burned out on Dvorak like I have on Chopin - haven't listened to Chopin for almost a year and the piano competitions just burn me out even faster.
>
>
> Prokofiev - “War Sonatas” 6, 7, 8 Steven Osborne
>
> Impossible to praise this highly enough. Steven Osborne never makes a bad recording. Particularly outstanding is his sense of sound, color, and expert use of the sustain pedal, with which he creates beautiful effects. His Prokofiev is vibrant and exciting without being overly steely in sound. Highly recommended, and now streaming along with all of his other Hyperion recordings.

I've been tempted but for #7 it's still Sokolov for me. The intensity of
his "Precipitato" movement far outshines the usual speed merchants, of
which Osborne is one.

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On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 18:21:42 UTC, JohnGavin wrote:

> Prokofiev - “War Sonatas” 6, 7, 8 Steven Osborne

I rather like Sonata 9 though it's not played so much. I imprinted on Richter and he'll do for me.

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I just realized: I do not like Wunderlich... he has a nice voice, but I do not like him as Tamino or Belmonte... just too much heroicness or sth... the way he screams "Freude" in Belmonte's first aria... he sings this so outwardly; Simoneau otoh sings more inwardly, speaking to himself, not challenging the world like Wunderlich... I much prefer Simoneau's take.

Favourite Mozart Operas:

Serail: Beecham
Figaro: Kleiber
DG: Krips, Mitropoulos
Cosi: Böhm (Decca), Cambreling
Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Iván Fischer

In reevluation: Krips' EMI Serail, Suitner's Nozze

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:20:15 UTC+1:
> I just realized: I do not like Wunderlich... he has a nice voice, but I do not like him as Tamino or Belmonte... just too much heroicness or sth... the way he screams "Freude" in Belmonte's first aria... he sings this so outwardly; Simoneau otoh sings more inwardly, speaking to himself, not challenging the world like Wunderlich... I much prefer Simoneau's take.

*shouts "Freude"

>
> Favourite Mozart Operas:
>
> Serail: Beecham
> Figaro: Kleiber
> DG: Krips, Mitropoulos
> Cosi: Böhm (Decca), Cambreling
> Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Iván Fischer
>
> In reevluation: Krips' EMI Serail, Suitner's Nozze

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On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 10:21:42 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:
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> Prokofiev - “War Sonatas” 6, 7, 8 Steven Osborne
>
> Impossible to praise this highly enough. Steven
> Osborne never makes a bad recording. Particularly
> outstanding is his sense of sound, color, and expert
> use of the sustain pedal, with which he creates beautiful
> effects. His Prokofiev is vibrant and exciting without being
> overly steely in sound. Highly recommended, and now
> streaming along with all of his other Hyperion recordings.

Ridiculous! You really need new ears.

If one needs or wants a non-Russian
Prokofiev Sonata cycle, Matti Raekallio
is the top recommendation.

dk

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On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 4:38:23 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 10:21:42 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:
> >
> > Prokofiev - “War Sonatas” 6, 7, 8 Steven Osborne
> >
> > Impossible to praise this highly enough. Steven
> > Osborne never makes a bad recording. Particularly
> > outstanding is his sense of sound, color, and expert
> > use of the sustain pedal, with which he creates beautiful
> > effects. His Prokofiev is vibrant and exciting without being
> > overly steely in sound. Highly recommended, and now
> > streaming along with all of his other Hyperion recordings.
> Ridiculous! You really need new ears.
>
> If one needs or wants a non-Russian
> Prokofiev Sonata cycle, Matti Raekallio
> is the top recommendation.
>
> dk

I owned Raekallio’s Prokofiev set and did not keep it for long. I disliked his sound which had no resonance. His prime approach seemed to me to be fast tempos. I then acquired Ovchinikov’s set which was much more to my liking. Still, Osborne is tops for me. Each to his own!

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:20:15 UTC+1:
> I just realized: I do not like Wunderlich... he has a nice voice, but I do not like him as Tamino or Belmonte... just too much heroicness or sth... the way he screams "Freude" in Belmonte's first aria... he sings this so outwardly; Simoneau otoh sings more inwardly, speaking to himself, not challenging the world like Wunderlich... I much prefer Simoneau's take.
>
> Favourite Mozart Operas:
>
> Serail: Beecham
> Figaro: Kleiber

*I just can't deal with Kleiber's Figaro... Kleiber really just sucks, he manages to destroy the beautiful singing with his accompaniment... so heavy and boring... and apart from that I think Siepi is just too deep for Figaro.. So it's Fricsay vs Suitner again... Soon I'll have my favourites I hope....

> DG: Krips, Mitropoulos
> Cosi: Böhm (Decca), Cambreling
> Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Iván Fischer
>
> In reevluation: Krips' EMI Serail, Suitner's Nozze

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:22:11 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:20:15 UTC+1:
> > I just realized: I do not like Wunderlich... he has a nice voice, but I do not like him as Tamino or Belmonte... just too much heroicness or sth.... the way he screams "Freude" in Belmonte's first aria... he sings this so outwardly; Simoneau otoh sings more inwardly, speaking to himself, not challenging the world like Wunderlich... I much prefer Simoneau's take.
> *shouts "Freude"

This was nonsense. He's probably the best Tamino and Belmonte... I can't listen to Simoneau, I do not like his voice.

My favourite Serail: Kertesz's. Beecham's is also too heavy... I like Frick though...

The main problem for me with Krips's Serail and Suitner's Nozze is Rothenberger... I can't listen to her... so I guess fricsay's is still my favourite Nozze...

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 20:18:15 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:22:11 UTC+1:
> > Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:20:15 UTC+1:
> > > I just realized: I do not like Wunderlich... he has a nice voice, but I do not like him as Tamino or Belmonte... just too much heroicness or sth.... the way he screams "Freude" in Belmonte's first aria... he sings this so outwardly; Simoneau otoh sings more inwardly, speaking to himself, not challenging the world like Wunderlich... I much prefer Simoneau's take.
> > *shouts "Freude"
> This was nonsense. He's probably the best Tamino and Belmonte... I can't listen to Simoneau, I do not like his voice.
>
> My favourite Serail: Kertesz's. Beecham's is also too heavy... I like Frick though...
>
> The main problem for me with Krips's Serail and Suitner's Nozze is Rothenberger... I can't listen to her... so I guess fricsay's is still my favourite Nozze...

Ah shit forget what I said about Simoneau and Beecham being too heavy it's quite nice... probably better than Kertesz's... better recorded, better orchestra and generally better singers except for Wunderlich...

The problem with Simoneau is... I like his phrasing... but sometimes I do not like his tone very much (nasally); and it also is not strong and big enough in some instances, such as in the duet with Konstanze at the end. The singing is beautiful, but Lois Marshall is more or less constantly in the foreground when they sing together, just because Simoneau's voice is just too light...

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 20:27:26 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 20:18:15 UTC+1:
> > Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:22:11 UTC+1:
> > > Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 10:20:15 UTC+1:
> > > > I just realized: I do not like Wunderlich... he has a nice voice, but I do not like him as Tamino or Belmonte... just too much heroicness or sth... the way he screams "Freude" in Belmonte's first aria... he sings this so outwardly; Simoneau otoh sings more inwardly, speaking to himself, not challenging the world like Wunderlich... I much prefer Simoneau's take.
> > > *shouts "Freude"
> > This was nonsense. He's probably the best Tamino and Belmonte... I can't listen to Simoneau, I do not like his voice.
> >
> > My favourite Serail: Kertesz's. Beecham's is also too heavy... I like Frick though...
> >
> > The main problem for me with Krips's Serail and Suitner's Nozze is Rothenberger... I can't listen to her... so I guess fricsay's is still my favourite Nozze...
> Ah shit forget what I said about Simoneau and Beecham being too heavy it's quite nice... probably better than Kertesz's... better recorded, better orchestra and generally better singers except for Wunderlich...
>
> The problem with Simoneau is... I like his phrasing... but sometimes I do not like his tone very much (nasally); and it also is not strong and big enough in some instances, such as in the duet with Konstanze at the end. The singing is beautiful, but Lois Marshall is more or less constantly in the foreground when they sing together, just because Simoneau's voice is just too light...

No actually the balance is quite perfect (she's light too); and I love Simoneau... okay...I found my favourite Serail... love how Simoneau sings really... I feel bad for what I said before...

So... since I cannot listen to Suitner's nozze for Rothenberger... it must be Fricsay I guess... there is no better nozze that I can think of...

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Yeah, I guess I'm just not a fan of Wunderlich - at least in Mozart. Certainly not better than Simoneau or Dermota as Belmonte and likely even Tamino.

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 by: Marc S - Thu, 30 Nov 2023 21:18 UTC

It actually seems I got this done before dec... my favourite Mozart opera recordings are:

Serail: Beecham
nozze: Fricsay
DG: Krips, Mitropoulos
Cosi: Böhm, Cambreling
Zauberflöte: Böhm, Iván Fischer

Will go through this one last time tomorrow... but ya... this time it really seems I'm done, haha.

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. November 2023 um 22:18:52 UTC+1:
> It actually seems I got this done before dec... my favourite Mozart opera recordings are:
>
> Serail: Beecham
> nozze: Fricsay
> DG: Krips, Mitropoulos
> Cosi: Böhm, Cambreling

*Böhm (Decca)
> Zauberflöte: Böhm, Iván Fischer

*Böhm (Decca)

>
> Will go through this one last time tomorrow... but ya... this time it really seems I'm done, haha.

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To each their own....

I have never in my life listened to a Mozart opera all the way through.

But I do like Wagner, Janacek, Ravel, Debussy, Mussorgsky and once in a while some others...

I've never listened to a Verdi opera all the way through either.....

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 by: Todd M. McComb - Fri, 1 Dec 2023 21:20 UTC

Totally random for me, looking at the Hyperion page for new releases
for December, they've got two (download only) releases on Signum
devoted to organist Naji Hakim, who apparently followed Messiaen
as organist in Paris. Anyway, some enjoyable organ writing... not
especially thorny, some Arab twists etc. One of the releases is
songs for organ & soprano.

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Favorite Mozart opera recordings update:

Serail: Beecham (EMI)
Nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI) -- think it's actually quite beautiful
DG: Klemperer (EMI), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
Cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI)
Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI)

In reevaluation: Furtwängler's 3 DGs, Klemperer's Cosi

Thanks Dan ;)

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Marc S schrieb am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2023 um 22:04:18 UTC+1:
> Favorite Mozart opera recordings update:
>
> Serail: Beecham (EMI)
> Nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI) -- think it's actually quite beautiful
> DG: Klemperer (EMI), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
> Cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI)
> Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI)
>
> In reevaluation: Furtwängler's 3 DGs, Klemperer's Cosi
I don't think I can take Furtwängler's Mozart as beautiful as much of the singing is... but I might add Klemperer's cosi to my favorites...

>
> Thanks Dan ;)

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Listening to a bunch of recordings of the Fauré E minor violin sonata, op 108.

Grumiaux / Crossley
Francescatti / Casadesus
Capuçon / Angelich
Mintz / Bronfman

Francescatti hews most closely to the agitation inherent in the music; Mintz is the most focused on beauty and serenity.
Gurmiaux is just terrific, however, it's the one I grew up on...

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 by: Gerard - Mon, 4 Dec 2023 12:35 UTC

Op maandag 4 december 2023 om 00:23:42 UTC+1 schreef Andrew Clarke:
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 3:04:52 AM UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> Saint-Saens. Tone Poems. F-X. Roth. Les Siecles. My attention was brought to this excellent recording by Boxed Set Bernie on his YouTube channel, and I now discover that having sailed 180 degrees away from Bernie, I am now in perfect agreement with The Gramophone, Presto Music and BBC Music Magazine. Could it be that Bernie reads these illustrious journals and automatically takes the opposite opinion, whilst I automatically order anything Bernie doesn't like and find myself in agreement with The Gramophone (et al.)? Oh, the irony ...
I don't know who Bernie is. I have seen the video by Hurwitz, who knocked the Sait-Saens set by Roth completely. Do you mean that?
Anyhow, it seems to me a a desirable set. On my wishlist!

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 by: Herman - Mon, 4 Dec 2023 12:50 UTC

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:35:28 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
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> I don't know who Bernie is. I have seen the video by Hurwitz,

One suspects 'Boxed Set Bernie' is the squeaky guying a Classics Today sweater who recites box set booklets on youtube.

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Subject: Re: WAYLTL December 2023
From: marcs12212@gmail.com (Marc S)
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 by: Marc S - Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:18 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 4. Dezember 2023 um 00:07:28 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2023 um 22:04:18 UTC+1:
> > Favorite Mozart opera recordings update:
> >
> > Serail: Beecham (EMI)
> > Nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI) -- think it's actually quite beautiful
> > DG: Klemperer (EMI), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
> > Cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI)
> > Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI)
> >
> > In reevaluation: Furtwängler's 3 DGs, Klemperer's Cosi
> I don't think I can take Furtwängler's Mozart as beautiful as much of the singing is... but I might add Klemperer's cosi to my favorites...

Fuck Furtwängler... I just think he sucks. Klemperer's Cosi otoh can be added to my favorite Cosi recordings... as well as his Beethoven 9th - at least for the slow movement; will have to relisten to the rest.

In Reevaluation: Fricsay's DG, Suitner's Nozze and Krips' Serail and then I think I'm really done... after a last check ofc...

Going to sort out: Probably Krips's Beethoven Cycle...

>
> >
> > Thanks Dan ;)

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:25 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 4. Dezember 2023 um 21:18:43 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Montag, 4. Dezember 2023 um 00:07:28 UTC+1:
> > Marc S schrieb am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2023 um 22:04:18 UTC+1:
> > > Favorite Mozart opera recordings update:
> > >
> > > Serail: Beecham (EMI)
> > > Nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI) -- think it's actually quite beautiful
> > > DG: Klemperer (EMI), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
> > > Cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI)
> > > Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI)

*EMI/Warner (Beecham's Serail hasn't been rereleased afaik)

> > >
> > > In reevaluation: Furtwängler's 3 DGs, Klemperer's Cosi
> > I don't think I can take Furtwängler's Mozart as beautiful as much of the singing is... but I might add Klemperer's cosi to my favorites...
> Fuck Furtwängler... I just think he sucks. Klemperer's Cosi otoh can be added to my favorite Cosi recordings... as well as his Beethoven 9th - at least for the slow movement; will have to relisten to the rest.
>
> In Reevaluation: Fricsay's DG, Suitner's Nozze and Krips' Serail and then I think I'm really done... after a last check ofc...

*Fricsay's DG (DG), Suitner's Nozze (Berlin Classics), Krips's Serail (EMI/Warner)

>
> Going to sort out: Probably Krips's Beethoven Cycle...

*Released on Everest

I'd probably rate Karajan's above it.

>
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks Dan ;)

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 by: Chris J. - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 11:37 UTC

On 4 Dec 2023 Gerard wrote:

>> Saint-Saens. Tone Poems. F-X. Roth. Les Siecles.

> Anyhow, it seems to me a a desirable set. On my wishlist!

On my wishlist too.
Come on, Santa!

Chris

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