"Andy, you are EVIL TO YOUR BONE MARROW !!! GO TO HELL !!!
You will have plenty of opportunity there to worship your heroes
T.E. Lawrence and Hajj Amin al-Husseini. You will have plenty of
opportunity to lick their boots and suck their dicks forever!"

This is the holiday spirit to a T, the way the resident trolls have been carpet bombing RMCR with material no other RMCR-poster wants part of.

People come here to discuss music.

Stuff like the above doesn't belong in a music group, or in any grown-up communication. It's psychotic projection, which of course has been the name of the game for more than a year now.

Music topics, like the Rach 4 or, indeed, WAYLTL, are completely wrecked by psycho trolls who cannot talk about anything else than Israel, antisemitism and their ghoulish delight in mass killing.

The only way to post about music undisturbed is to try and post a topic about post 1950 composers these morons have no interest in and hope the kid with his 'screw Krips, no, screw the other one' news bulletins doesn't wander in.

I'm wondering if RMCR will even make it to the February 15 transition...

Shut up you donkey.

To Oscar: Stop feeding Herman's narcissism by (unknowningly) acting as his narcissistic supply:

Oscar schrieb am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2023 um 06:38:45 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:30:31 AM, herman wrote:
> >
> > I could post this in WAYTL, but I’ll make a new topic for this 2021 live performance of Fauré’s C minor Piano Quintet,
> > the second-but-last chamber work he composed. Only the Piano Trio and the valedictory String Quartet came after.
> > By the time Fauré wrote these three pieces he was absolutely deaf. And yet the Quintet has, in my mind, a distinct
> > devout sensuality. The coda of the slow movement (25:05) in this video is out of this world.
>
> herman, thank you for creating this thread. I have listened to a few versions of this work as a result with newly-tuned ears. I must say, the Domus w/ Anthony Marwood from 1995 is a stunner.

Herman's need to be validated was expressed perfectly in the following sentence in his response to Oscar: "Why thank you for responding so enthusiastically". It's like Herman was desperate for validation, and being validated by Oscar was like the Christmas and Easter combined ;D

Oscar made the same mistake with td; acting as td's narcissistic supply.

Herman schrieb am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2023 um 09:27:50 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 6:38:45 AM UTC+1, Oscar wrote:
> >
> >
> > herman, thank you for creating this thread. I have listened to a few versions of this work as a result with newly-tuned ears. I must say, the Domus w/ Anthony Marwood from 1995 is a stunner.
> Why, thank you for responding enthusiastically.
> The Hyperion Domus recording is one of the top recordings, for sure. I like the live performance linked in the OP slightly better, because it brings out the agitation critical to late Fauré. However one does note that the live performance is a little messy in the first movement. From the scherzo onwards (technically the toughest mat) every thing is perfect in the live performance.The Domus is (to my mind) a little too serene in the 1st mvt development section.
> The alpha recording with Eric Le Sage and the Quatuor Ebene is pretty good, too, but virtually inobtainable. Also, inevitably, the piano is a little forward in the Le Sage recording.

On Tuesday 19 December 2023 at 11:21:02 UTC, Herman wrote:
> I'm wondering if RMCR will even make it to the February 15 transition...

Me too. It's getting increasingly pointless to come here. There are people here I value very much - Herman, Ray, Andrew, Todd and many others. Good company and fellow music lovers. Sad that the place is full of trolls. Modern cities are flattened by drones, newsgroups are flattened by trolls.

Herman hating on and bullying elderly people (*Ageism-- Ageism[1][2][3] is bias against, discrimination towards, or bullying of individuals and groups on the basis of their age. The term was coined in 1969 by Robert Neil Butler to describe discrimination against the elderly, patterned on the terminology of sexism and racism):

Herman schrieb am Freitag, 8. Dezember 2023 um 07:53:37 UTC+1:
> In what numbers these Ormandy boxes sell, is one of the many secrets of the industry. However, the classical music business has gotten into a death spiral with these massive productions especially produced for old people who want to have another reiteration of the recordings they already have had for decades.

Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 14. November 2023 um 11:47:32 UTC+1:
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 11:19:09 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> All this bullshit about woke masses taking over institutions of learning etc is just clickbait for old people and psychopaths

Herman schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Juni 2023 um 08:38:09 UTC+2:
> Well, Hurwitz is just an old fuddy duddy who thinks it's still 1980 when HIP was relatively new, and it was considered connoisseurly to blast away at anything new....

Herman schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2023 um 02:57:34 UTC+1:
> No more old people on stage please. People aren't going to pay anymore to see an decrepit Gunter Wand take five minutes to reach the podium.

Etc.

Op dinsdag 19 december 2023 om 14:08:49 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Tuesday 19 December 2023 at 11:21:02 UTC, Herman wrote:
>
> > I'm wondering if RMCR will even make it to the February 15 transition....
> Me too. It's getting increasingly pointless to come here. There are people here I value very much - Herman, Ray, Andrew, Todd and many others. Good company and fellow music lovers. Sad that the place is full of trolls. Modern cities are flattened by drones, newsgroups are flattened by trolls.

Exactly.
Looking for another Usenet provider is not worth the effort. Trolls have degenerated this place into a place full of hating and ridiculing everyone who does not belong to the Israel lobby. I will not miss them.
End of exercise.
Best wishes to those who liked to discuss recordings of classical music.

Mission accomplished ;)

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 3:21:02 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> "Andy, you are EVIL TO YOUR BONE MARROW !!! GO TO HELL !!!
> You will have plenty of opportunity there to worship your heroes
> T.E. Lawrence and Hajj Amin al-Husseini. You will have plenty of
> opportunity to lick their boots and suck their dicks forever!"
>
> This is the holiday spirit to a T, the way the resident trolls have
> been carpet bombing RMCR with material no other RMCR-poster
> wants part of.

Preciasely what you and others are doing. We don't read minds
and cannoy guess who is interested in what. Gerard apparently
has an obsession with Vivaldi that no one else seems to share.

> People come here to discuss music.

Like Andy Senile, Ray of Oz and Nefesh BarYochai who post
incessantly about Gaza. That does not seem to borher you a
bit.

> Stuff like the above doesn't belong in a music group, or in any
> grown-up communication. It's psychotic projection, which of
> course has been the name of the game for more than a year
> now.
>
> Music topics, like the Rach 4 or, indeed, WAYLTL, are completely
> wrecked by psycho trolls who cannot talk about anything else
> than Israel, antisemitism and their ghoulish delight in mass killing.

Where did you get such an idea? Hackvard, MIT or Penn? Or is it
just the air you breathe inside your Gouda hole?

> The only way to post about music undisturbed is to try and post
> a topic about post 1950 composers these morons have no interest
> in and hope the kid with his 'screw Krips, no, screw the other one'
> news bulletins doesn't wander in.
>
> I'm wondering if RMCR will even make it to the February 15 transition...

It doesn't matter. RMCR is not an "institution" or a "religion". There
won't be any loss of anything if it disappears.

Cheers

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:08:49 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 December 2023 at 11:21:02 UTC, Herman wrote:
>
> > I'm wondering if RMCR will even make it to the February 15 transition....
>
> Me too. It's getting increasingly pointless to come here. There are people
> here I value very much - Herman, Ray, Andrew, Todd and many others.

Precisely the folks who are destroying this ng by incessantly lecturing
all of us, pontificating about posting manners, kvetching about Gaza,
and generally acting as if they knew everything and were superioir to
everyone else.

> Good company and fellow music lovers. Sad that the place is full of
> trolls. Modern cities are flattened by drones, newsgroups are flattened
> by trolls.

ROTFL !!! It takes one to know one, doesn't it?

Cheers

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 6:57:06 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
> Op dinsdag 19 december 2023 om 14:08:49 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
> > On Tuesday 19 December 2023 at 11:21:02 UTC, Herman wrote:
> >
> > > I'm wondering if RMCR will even make it to the February 15 transition....
> >
> > Me too. It's getting increasingly pointless to come here. There are people
> > here I value very much - Herman, Ray, Andrew, Todd and many others.
> > Good company and fellow music lovers. Sad that the place is full of trolls.
> > Modern cities are flattened by drones, newsgroups are flattened by trolls.
>
> Exactly.
> Looking for another Usenet provider is not worth the effort. Trolls have
> degenerated this place into a place full of hating and ridiculing everyone
> who does not belong to the Israel lobby. I will not miss them.

You can always found solace in Father Vivaldi's muzak.

Cheers

Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 12:21:02 UTC+1:
> "Andy, you are EVIL TO YOUR BONE MARROW !!! GO TO HELL !!!
> You will have plenty of opportunity there to worship your heroes
> T.E. Lawrence and Hajj Amin al-Husseini. You will have plenty of
> opportunity to lick their boots and suck their dicks forever!"
>
> This is the holiday spirit to a T, the way the resident trolls have been carpet bombing RMCR with material no other RMCR-poster wants part of.

Shut up.

>
> People come here to discuss music.

You come here to complain. See this thread? How does your gf manage it with you lol?

>
> Stuff like the above doesn't belong in a music group, or in any grown-up communication. It's psychotic projection, which of course has been the name of the game for more than a year now.
>

Don't act like a grown-up you donkey. You are the one hating on old people ;D Completely deranged. I hope your daughter is kept far away from you.

> Music topics, like the Rach 4 or, indeed, WAYLTL, are completely wrecked by psycho trolls who cannot talk about anything else than Israel, antisemitism and their ghoulish delight in mass killing.

Let us talk about this, if you are not interestted it is fine. Ofc we are not - as Frank as perfectly made clear - not delight in mass killing. You are just spreading lies about Israel, as well as you do about us.

>
> The only way to post about music undisturbed is to try and post a topic about post 1950 composers these morons have no interest in and hope the kid with his 'screw Krips, no, screw the other one' news bulletins doesn't wander in.

Love this part the most ;D

I as evidenced in this ng (at least for the people using a newsreader) have shown interest in post 1950 composers more than once, and certainly more than you donkey.

Gerard schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 15:57:06 UTC+1:
> Op dinsdag 19 december 2023 om 14:08:49 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
> > On Tuesday 19 December 2023 at 11:21:02 UTC, Herman wrote:
> >
> > > I'm wondering if RMCR will even make it to the February 15 transition....
> > Me too. It's getting increasingly pointless to come here. There are people here I value very much - Herman, Ray, Andrew, Todd and many others. Good company and fellow music lovers. Sad that the place is full of trolls. Modern cities are flattened by drones, newsgroups are flattened by trolls.
> Exactly.
> Looking for another Usenet provider is not worth the effort. Trolls have degenerated this place into a place full of hating and ridiculing everyone who does not belong to the Israel lobby. I will not miss them.

You will not miss me? Man, we don't even know each other. You are a donkey - you made fun of me talking about antisemitism, and now that shit hits the fucking fan, you cry about "ridicule everyone who does not belong to the Israel lobby". You are a god damn joke sir. And if you want to show that one can take you seriously at least in some way, please stick to your words and fuck off, after google shuts this down. Or better - if you want to be really serious - just leave now. But since you are full of shit, just like Herman and Andy, it's to be expected to see you again.

> Best wishes to those who liked to discuss recordings of classical music.

Fuck off you antisemite.

On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 08:14:58 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
> Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 12:21:02 UTC+1:
> > "Andy, you are EVIL TO YOUR BONE MARROW !!! GO TO HELL !!!
> > You will have plenty of opportunity there to worship your heroes
> > T.E. Lawrence and Hajj Amin al-Husseini. You will have plenty of
> > opportunity to lick their boots and suck their dicks forever!"
> >
> > This is the holiday spirit to a T, the way the resident trolls have been carpet bombing RMCR with material no other RMCR-poster wants part of.
> Shut up.
> >
> > People come here to discuss music.
> You come here to complain. See this thread? How does your gf manage it with you lol?
> >
> > Stuff like the above doesn't belong in a music group, or in any grown-up communication. It's psychotic projection, which of course has been the name of the game for more than a year now.
> >
> Don't act like a grown-up you donkey. You are the one hating on old people ;D Completely deranged. I hope your daughter is kept far away from you.
> > Music topics, like the Rach 4 or, indeed, WAYLTL, are completely wrecked by psycho trolls who cannot talk about anything else than Israel, antisemitism and their ghoulish delight in mass killing.
> Let us talk about this, if you are not interestted it is fine. Ofc we are not - as Frank as perfectly made clear - not delight in mass killing. You are just spreading lies about Israel, as well as you do about us.
> >
> > The only way to post about music undisturbed is to try and post a topic about post 1950 composers these morons have no interest in and hope the kid with his 'screw Krips, no, screw the other one' news bulletins doesn't wander in.
> Love this part the most ;D
>
> I as evidenced in this ng (at least for the people using a newsreader) have shown interest in post 1950 composers more than once, and certainly more than you donkey.

Any donkey will never be capable of the degeneracy displayed by you and your self- congratulatory and smug so-called 'friends'. As they always say, flies will always be attracted to shit, and it is always amusing to observe this happening here.
But as someone who is obviously neither witty, or knowledgeable about music or anything else, please continue on with your self-delusion. You amuse many of us watching, and thanks to you and your shit ridden flies, this forum is now a showcase for the worst in humankind. But the genocide still goes on, so I wll leave you and your pals to continue to delight in it.

RH

raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 22. Dezember 2023 um 03:26:56 UTC+1:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2023 at 08:14:58 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
> > Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 12:21:02 UTC+1:
> > > "Andy, you are EVIL TO YOUR BONE MARROW !!! GO TO HELL !!!
> > > You will have plenty of opportunity there to worship your heroes
> > > T.E. Lawrence and Hajj Amin al-Husseini. You will have plenty of
> > > opportunity to lick their boots and suck their dicks forever!"
> > >
> > > This is the holiday spirit to a T, the way the resident trolls have been carpet bombing RMCR with material no other RMCR-poster wants part of.
> > Shut up.
> > >
> > > People come here to discuss music.
> > You come here to complain. See this thread? How does your gf manage it with you lol?
> > >
> > > Stuff like the above doesn't belong in a music group, or in any grown-up communication. It's psychotic projection, which of course has been the name of the game for more than a year now.
> > >
> > Don't act like a grown-up you donkey. You are the one hating on old people ;D Completely deranged. I hope your daughter is kept far away from you.
> > > Music topics, like the Rach 4 or, indeed, WAYLTL, are completely wrecked by psycho trolls who cannot talk about anything else than Israel, antisemitism and their ghoulish delight in mass killing.
> > Let us talk about this, if you are not interestted it is fine. Ofc we are not - as Frank as perfectly made clear - not delight in mass killing. You are just spreading lies about Israel, as well as you do about us.
> > >
> > > The only way to post about music undisturbed is to try and post a topic about post 1950 composers these morons have no interest in and hope the kid with his 'screw Krips, no, screw the other one' news bulletins doesn't wander in.
> > Love this part the most ;D
> >
> > I as evidenced in this ng (at least for the people using a newsreader) have shown interest in post 1950 composers more than once, and certainly more than you donkey.
> Any donkey will never be capable of the degeneracy displayed by you and your self- congratulatory and smug so-called 'friends'. As they always say, flies will always be attracted to shit, and it is always amusing to observe this happening here.

Ray, if you find it amusing, I don't quite understand why you want to leave this group or killfile me... Make up your mind. We all know you are butthurt, please learn to regulate your emotions, show some maturity.

raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 02:38:44 UTC+1:
> Sorry to see you feel this way Andy, but yes, these people are truly sick and devoid of any humanity. They are actually more culpable and truth denying than the worst of the SS in WWII.
> With a new news agent next year it will have to have a good kill-file ability or I will be out too. I am ashamed to be in the virtual company of the scum here. It demeans me to be here. Those posters I will miss will know who they are. Seasons greetings to them all.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

The Gaza civilians took part in the massacre on Israel. This was all caught on tape - the rape-murders, the kidnappings etc. (The ambassador of Israel recently shared this with the German newspaper "Welt": „Teile der Bevölkerung haben viel schlimmere Dinge gemacht“; https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article249144144/Gaza-Krieg-Teile-der-Bevoelkerung-haben-viel-schlimmere-Dinge-gemacht-sagt-Ron-Prosor.html). Furthermore it is also caught on tape that a large part of the civilian population in Gaza was celebrating this massacre on Jews.

I know it's difficult for antisemites like you, Herman and Andy to comprehend that it's not actually the Israelis committing a genocide, but it was Hamas that has genocidal intentions; and Hamas is supported by the majority of palestinians.

You have been brainwashed to death by the so called "liberal" media.

> But as someone who is obviously neither witty, or knowledgeable about music or anything else, please continue on with your self-delusion. You amuse many of us watching, and thanks to you and your shit ridden flies, this forum is now a showcase for the worst in humankind. But the genocide still goes on, so I wll leave you and your pals to continue to delight in it.

See, here you are talking shit again, because you have contempt for me; and you have contempt for me, because I am politically on the side (Trump, Israel, anti-Transgender-ideology etc.). You are being untruthful to yourself. Look, I will give you an example of how you are actually displaying the degeneracy you were accusing me of: You were defending surgeons who amputate healthy body parts (such as breasts) of teenagers, to change their sex. Now, Ray... this is really some fucked up shit; not even donkeys would do that :)

Furthermore you actually acknowledged that I know something about music; see here (Ray: "I happen to think you make good points about performance practice with respect to Bach.").

raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 25. Juli 2022 um 10:50:20 UTC+2:
> On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 18:04:00 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Herman schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Juli 2022 um 21:58:10 UTC+2:
> > > On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 8:57:25 PM UTC+2, Marc S wrote:
>
> >
> > What I am at is: Bach's music wanted to break through the constraints of its time, and the HIP movements confines him in this time.
> >
> > BTW Heinrich Heine was a respected music critic (not saying that I am a Heine!)... and he was no musician ;) But things like this seem to go over the head of a petty bourgeois like Herman...
> >
> > you have lost nothing in art - that is my opinion. Biedermanns like Herman are the death sentence for art.
> > > Perhaps you don't know what "absolute music" means.
> > To speak on rational terms: Bach and Mozart and Beethoven and Schubert and Chopin etc they all wrote music that is beyond the means of expression of the old instruments - their compositions tried to go further than what was possible practically at that time, this is one of the reasons their compositions are so great. But people like the Nederlandse Bachvereiniging or Herman just put Bach back in the 17/18th century... poor Bach.
> >
> > Imagine Szeryng opening up the Duett instead of the unmusical guy in the video...
> >
> > Some examples:
> >
> > Do you think Beethoven would still play on an old Broadwood piano? Beethoven?! The guy who tried to tear through everything?! Who went past everything that was conceivable back then? Don't the modern pianos - with a much more huge dynamic range - do more justice to Beethoven's compositions? Listen, and feel ;)
> >
> > Or how about Schubert's singing tone? Do you think old Streicher pianos do his music justice? How could they? They can't hold a tone long enough.... with modern pianos tones and chords sit in the air much longer. Schubert was thinking beyond the capabilities of his instruments - Herman can't think past anything besides himself and the spirit of his time ;D
> >
> > Or wasn't Bach specfically interested in a cantabile style of playing (and connected to this also legato)? How exactly are harpsichords to achieve this? A clavichord maybe, but not anywhere near what modern pianos could achieve.
> >
> > Bach's music is universal, not confined to 17/18th century practice... something Herman Biedermann will never understand.
>
> I happen to think you make good points about performance practice with respect to Bach. I listen mostly these days to his oratorios, and Karl Richter is one of my favourite musicians for this glorious music. Some say he is a mite unfashionable these days, but not for me. I listen rarely to any other 18th or 19th century music, excepting for Bach. I like your phrase about notes "hanging in the air", and it is apt.
>
> However, I do not think it appropriate that you castigate Hermann for liking HIP. So many people do, and I think they should be allowed to do so with getting ad hominem attacks thrown at them.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

Time to show some integrity Ray... try being honest to yourself: You know almost nothing about the situation in Israel, nor about the history; you also know nothing about what is mentally healthy or not (as teenage girls going to a surgeon to amputate their breasts in order to become a boy is surely a sign of being mentally unhealthy) etc... try to reflect on your idiotic notions and statements and then change yourself :)

>
> RH