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* WAYLTL - January 2024Gerard
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Schubert: Impromptus op.90 and op.142
Ronald Brautigam (fortepiano) - BIS

This is beautiful in every aspect. The music, the playing, the instrument, the recording.
Very beautiful.

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 1 Jan 2024 20:26 UTC

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 3:08:28 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
> Schubert: Impromptus op.90 and op.142
> Ronald Brautigam (fortepiano) - BIS
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> This is beautiful in every aspect. The music,
> the playing, the instrument, the recording.

The "instrument" ?!? You must be nuts!
Did you swallow a woodpecker ?!?

Happy New Year!

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Jazz!

Brubeck, Evans, Garner, MJQ, Monk,
Peterson, Tatum, Springbank, Talisker.

Happy New Year!

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Chopin Ballades

Every recording I can find

Cheers

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 by: Owen Hartnett - Tue, 2 Jan 2024 18:09 UTC

Leonard Bernstein Juilliard String Quartet Schumann Opus 44 - Piano Quintet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMdClZk-ZMc

Or on spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3K48HFOuU3UPh8jz5KjVD7?si=a018ee1e9b5b41f8

Can't imagine it being played better than this.

-Owen

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 2 Jan 2024 18:19 UTC

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> Leonard Bernstein Juilliard String Quartet Schumann Opus 44 - Piano Quintet
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMdClZk-ZMc
>
> Or on spotify:
>
> https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3K48HFOuU3UPh8jz5KjVD7?si=a018ee1e9b5b41f8
>
> Can't imagine it being played better than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-cFYuVmjC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDBSdlqOcNE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU97k1_K3SE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHsvD6_gRyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iejvs84xk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN6x9RbLgqw

Cheers!

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On 1 Jan 2024 Dan Koren wrote:

> ... Talisker.

You listen to a single malt?

Chris

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 2 Jan 2024 18:56 UTC

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-8, Chris J. wrote:
> On 1 Jan 2024 Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > ... Talisker.
>
> You listen to a single malt?
>

I listen to various single malts,
including trios, quartets and
quintets.

My favorite is Springbank. It
is increasingly harder to find.

Cheers!

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Update: I think I'm going to sort out Böhm out of my fav Mozart Opera recordings... singing is beautiful, but sometimes a bit uninvolved; no wonder because the orchestra fucking sucks. Likely going to send the 2 cosis back (still possible until Jan 31...), can't send back the Decca Zauberflöte (in which his accompaniment seems to suck even more, and the singing also seems more uninvolved), so it just goes over to the pile of the other recordings I sorted out. Some people seem to think wrt Mozart Opera recordings or Mozart in general, that Böhm and Krips are alike... hell no... Krips is way better, and completely different -- Böhm either seems to have no real control at all like in some early Nozze I heard (orchestra plays too aggressively etc), or too much like in the cosis (Decca, EMI; forgot about his earliest cosi... I think he had one.).

The problem with Klemperer's Cosi though is... too much vibrato with the singers... argh... and I have a problem with all the other cosis I heard as well... seems there is really no recording that I completely like... so I'll just stick with Klemperer's probably...

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On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:56:52 PM, Marc S wrote:
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> The problem with Klemperer's Cosi though is... too much vibrato with the singers... argh... and I have a problem with all the other cosis I heard as well... seems there is really no recording that I completely like... so I'll just stick with Klemperer's probably...

Böhm for Cosi. Definitely.

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Listening to John Wilson's recording of Daphnis et Chloe on Chandos. It's deadly. I just don't understand it at all. One of the worst records you'll ever hear!! Ralph Couzens, the pity is yours!

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Oscar schrieb am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2024 um 02:49:02 UTC+1:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:56:52 PM, Marc S wrote:
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> > The problem with Klemperer's Cosi though is... too much vibrato with the singers... argh... and I have a problem with all the other cosis I heard as well... seems there is really no recording that I completely like... so I'll just stick with Klemperer's probably...
> Böhm for Cosi. Definitely.

Ya, I think you are right. Going to keep both Böhm cosis (I remember his Wozzeck being very good as well). Thanks for the pointer. Was just having one of my moments again, being a bit frustrated with Böhm's accompaniment at least sometimes (just as is the case with most conductors in some ways; but more with Böhm...).

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Ya, actually I'm also going to keep Böhm's Decca Zauberflöte - it's beautiful. So in fact my fav Mozart Opera recordings remain unchanged - finally nailed it:

Serail: Beecham (EMI), Krips (EMI/Warner)
nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*, Suitner (Berlin Classics)
DG: Klemperer (EMI/Warner), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI/Warner), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*
Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)

*Some of the singers on these recordings really get on my nerves, but I just can't do without them.

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Hmmm... I might need Sawallisch's Zauberflöte for Kurt Moll's Sarastro....

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Na, I can't listen to it because of how the orchestra plays; I don't like this style. Similar to later Böhm, and also Karajan - too mellow and weighty with all the instruments blending into each other. Completely different from say Böhm's 2 cosis (Decca, EMI/Warner) and Decca Zauberflöte. Okay, I'm finished.

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Ari was right; screw Pletnev. I sorted out his Beethoven concertos and Mozart sonatas. His touch (and phrasing!) really is creepy sometimes, apart from me not liking his approach to music at all (anymore).

Gould is now one of my favourite pianists, alongside Schnabel and Rubinstein.

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Okay so apart from these:

> Serail: Beecham (EMI), Krips (EMI/Warner)
> nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*, Suitner (Berlin Classics)
> DG: Klemperer (EMI/Warner), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
> cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI/Warner), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*
> Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)

I'm going to keep the two Klemperer Boxes (Warner), the Mengelberg Beethoven CDs I have, Krips's Beethoven Symphonies (I couldn't let go of them (at least as of yet?); I really like the slow movement of the 9th, as well as his B4), Krips's Mozart Symphonies and Maag's Mozart Symphony 32 on Decca for the slow movement.

*Sorted out Hans Hotter's Winterreise as well; as beautiful as he sings, I just don't like this work (as well as Schubert generally) too much (compared to works and composers I really like).

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Just when I thought I was finished buying Mozart Opera cds... here come Klemperer Mozart Opera SACDs...

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Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 6. Januar 2024 um 00:23:36 UTC+1:
> Okay so apart from these:
> > Serail: Beecham (EMI), Krips (EMI/Warner)
> > nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*, Suitner (Berlin Classics)
> > DG: Klemperer (EMI/Warner), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
> > cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI/Warner), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*
> > Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)
> I'm going to keep the two Klemperer Boxes (Warner), the Mengelberg Beethoven CDs I have, Krips's Beethoven Symphonies (I couldn't let go of them (at least as of yet?); I really like the slow movement of the 9th, as well as his B4), Krips's Mozart Symphonies and Maag's Mozart Symphony 32 on Decca for the slow movement.

*Add Pletnev Beethoven PCs (DG) and Mozart Sonatas (DG), Celibidache 49 CD Box, Klemperer Zauberflöte and DG SACDs - and very likely soon also his Mozart Symphonies SACDs.

>
> *Sorted out Hans Hotter's Winterreise as well; as beautiful as he sings, I just don't like this work (as well as Schubert generally) too much (compared to works and composers I really like).

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Fav Mozart Opera recordings update:

*Sorted out Beecham's Serail, Mitropoulos' DG and Böhm's Zauberflöte.

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Have to say, after Klemperer's Zauberflöte, Fricsay's is probably my favourite -not sure if I need it though.

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Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 13. Januar 2024 um 22:10:43 UTC+1:
> Have to say, after Klemperer's Zauberflöte, Fricsay's is probably my favourite -not sure if I need it though.

Have to take that back, there is just too much wrong with it... Klemperer's is by far the best - not sure which I would choose after... maybe really Ivan Fischer's, because it's funny.

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Op maandag 1 januari 2024 om 12:08:28 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
> Schubert: Impromptus op.90 and op.142
> Ronald Brautigam (fortepiano) - BIS
>
> This is beautiful in every aspect. The music, the playing, the instrument, the recording.
> Very beautiful.

Concert for Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrDkalmGznE

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Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 13. Januar 2024 um 22:12:12 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 13. Januar 2024 um 22:10:43 UTC+1:
> > Have to say, after Klemperer's Zauberflöte, Fricsay's is probably my favourite -not sure if I need it though.
> Have to take that back, there is just too much wrong with it... Klemperer's is by far the best - not sure which I would choose after... maybe really Ivan Fischer's, because it's funny.

Actually no, Iván Fischer's Zauberflöte sucks; revisited some parts of it earlier and the singing just sucks... Fricsay's is way better and Böhm's Decca Zauberflöte even tops Fricsay's by far - so I'm going to keep it, as well as Mitropoulos's DG and Beecham's Serail... I was very wrong sorting them out...

Thinking about reevaluating Karajan's early cosi and nozze... the cosi is actually very good afair, but I think I won't be able to get over Merriman.... she's horrible... ya, na... don't think I'll need them...

So my fav Mozart opera recordings remain unchanged (*add Klemperer's SACD Zauberflöte and DG):

> Serail: Beecham (EMI), Krips (EMI/Warner)
> nozze: Fricsay (DG), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*, Suitner (Berlin Classics)
> DG: Klemperer (EMI/Warner), Krips (Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
> cosi: Böhm (Decca), Böhm (EMI/Warner), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)*
> Zauberflöte: Böhm (Decca), Klemperer (EMI/Warner)

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 by: Owen Hartnett - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 19:09 UTC

Richter, Kagan & Gutman play Shostakovich Piano Trio no. 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXpT8guRAN0

(Skip the first 1:20 to skip the Russian language introduction)

Richter is simply superb here. (Actually, they all are)

-Owen

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