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by: Dan Koren - Tue, 2 Jan 2024 02:22 UTC

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 4:00:41 PM UTC-8, David Espada wrote:
> El lunes 01 de enero, Dan Koren escribió:
> > I will never listen to Bruckner again!
> Why?

One can listen to the complete Iberia in
less time than it takes to hear a single
Bruckner cacophony, or to all Chopin
Mazurkas in less time than it takes
to hear two Bruckner cacophonies.

Brevity is one of the cornerstones
of elegance. And one does not risk
to have one's eardrums punctured
by the brass and the timpani, or
have one's brain counterfucked
by fucking counterpoint. Less is
definitely more.

Happy New Year!

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by: Dan Koren - Tue, 2 Jan 2024 03:48 UTC

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:22:43 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 4:00:41 PM UTC-8, David Espada wrote:
> > El lunes 01 de enero, Dan Koren escribió:
> > > I will never listen to Bruckner again!
> > Why?
> One can listen to the complete Iberia in
> less time than it takes to hear a single
> Bruckner cacophony, or to all Chopin
> Mazurkas in less time than it takes
> to hear two Bruckner cacophonies.
>
> Brevity is one of the cornerstones
> of elegance. And one does not risk
> to have one's eardrums punctured
> by the brass and the timpani, or
> have one's brain counterfucked
> by fucking counterpoint. Less is
> definitely more.

Sorry, I meant "to have one's brain
BRUCKFUCKED". Mea culpa.

Happy New Year!

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by: Dan Koren - Tue, 2 Jan 2024 06:40 UTC

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:48:55 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:22:43 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 4:00:41 PM UTC-8, David Espada wrote:
> > > El lunes 01 de enero, Dan Koren escribió:
> > > > I will never listen to Bruckner again!
> > > Why?
> > One can listen to the complete Iberia in
> > less time than it takes to hear a single
> > Bruckner cacophony, or to all Chopin
> > Mazurkas in less time than it takes
> > to hear two Bruckner cacophonies.
> >
> > Brevity is one of the cornerstones
> > of elegance. And one does not risk
> > to have one's eardrums punctured
> > by the brass and the timpani, or
> > have one's brain counterfucked
> > by fucking counterpoint. Less is
> > definitely more.
>
> Sorry, I meant "to have one's brain
> BRUCKFUCKED". Mea culpa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuHkhbd4YB4

Cheers!

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by: Marc S - Wed, 3 Jan 2024 09:23 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2024 um 21:34:27 UTC+1:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:09:36 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone explain to me why any musician worked with Böhm? I
> > mean really... with Karajan I can even sort of understand... but Böhm?!
> The explanation may be found here:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_B%C3%B6hm

No one was forced to work together with an unrepentant Nazi; did he ever take responsibility for his actions? Likely not, just like 99% of the Germans back then and their descendants today. It's a responsibility of the descendants to educate themselves about Israel and antisemitism etc; not just of the descendants but of every human being tbh.

Adorno: "Hitler has imposed a new categorical imperative upon humanity in the state of their unfreedom: to arrange their thinking and conduct, so that Auschwitz never repeats itself, so that nothing similar ever happen again."

I would have expected some more backbone from Szeryng and Gilels and other Jews Böhm worked with, and also non-Jewish musicians. Would Rubinstein have played with Böhm? People forgot what happened very quickly unfortunately... the Jews couldn't.

>
> Cheers!

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Actually Celibidache's Brahms, Beethoven and Mozart 550 (I do not like his DG ouverture, Requiem or 427 - at least as of yet) among other stuff (some Wagner, Strauss, Ravel, Tchaikovsky etc - and also some Schoenberg) is still (at least among) the best...

and maybe Pletnev's Beethoven PCs too (will have to reevaluate him generally)...

So my fav conductors are Celibidache, Klemperer, Krips and Mengelberg...

fav pianists: (Not so sure about Schnabel anymore) Gould and maybe Pletnev.

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Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 12. Januar 2024 um 22:39:49 UTC+1:
> Actually Celibidache's Brahms, Beethoven and Mozart 550 (I do not like his DG ouverture, Requiem or 427 - at least as of yet) among other stuff (some Wagner, Strauss, Ravel, Tchaikovsky etc - and also some Schoenberg) is still (at least among) the best...
>
> and maybe Pletnev's Beethoven PCs too (will have to reevaluate him generally)...
>
> So my fav conductors are Celibidache, Klemperer, Krips and Mengelberg...
>
> fav pianists: (Not so sure about Schnabel anymore) Gould and maybe Pletnev.

and Rubinstein ofc.

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Fuck all my new year resolutions ;D I was talking a lot of crap... except that with Böhm there really is not a lot of stuff worth listening to, apart from two of his cosis as well as his Wozzeck.

Pletnev's touch is not "creepy" as Arri remarked (I sort of think I understood where he was coming from when I read it, since when I first heard Pletnev there were moments where I thought his touch was maybe too soft - but that's all gone now; never heard such a soft touch) - he certainly recorded the best Beethoven PCs... I also like Gould's, but often/most of the times I do not like the orchestral accompaniment (say Karajan in PC3 (and Gould is maybe a bit too harsh here in some moments) or Bernstein in PC4).

Fav pianists certainly: Gould and Pletnev

*Can't say I like Rubinstein nearly as much

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by: Marc S - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:42 UTC

Fav composers: first Mozart and Beethoven - by far, then Bach and Brahms.
Other composers I like to listen to: Schoenberg, Webern and Berg, as well as Nono. For the rest I really don't care too much, I actually dislike most of it.

Fav conductors: Celibidache, Klemperer, Krips, Mengelberg
Fav pianists: Schnabel, Pletnev (Rubinstein for Brahms -- will have to revisit his Mozart and Beethoven)
Fav violinists: Szeryng, Milstein
Fav cellist: Fournier

Subject	Author
2024 New Year Resolution	Dan Koren
2024 New Year Resolution	David Espada
2024 New Year Resolution	Dan Koren
2024 New Year Resolution	Dan Koren
2024 New Year Resolution	Dan Koren
2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
2024 New Year Resolution	Dan Koren
2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
Re: 2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
Re: 2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
Re: 2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
Re: 2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
Re: 2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S
Re: 2024 New Year Resolution	Marc S