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* Mazurka questionAl Eisner
`* Re: Mazurka questionDan Koren
 `* Re: Mazurka questionRichard Kaplan
  `- Re: Mazurka questionAl Eisner

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From: eisner@slac.stanford.edu (Al Eisner)
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Subject: Mazurka question
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2024 19:43:40 -0800
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 by: Al Eisner - Sun, 11 Feb 2024 03:43 UTC

When listening to Chopin Mazurkas yesterday, I noticed that Opus 30
includes one in D-flat minor and one in C-sharp minor. But on a piano
these are the same key, right? Why the distinction? What did Chopin
have in mind? Thanks.
--
Al Eisner

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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 11 Feb 2024 04:43 UTC

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:43:49 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> When listening to Chopin Mazurkas yesterday, I noticed that Opus 30
> includes one in D-flat minor and one in C-sharp minor. But on a piano
> these are the same key, right? Why the distinction? What did Chopin
> have in mind? Thanks.

He wanted to provide a fair and balanced view of the music.
Political correctness.

Cheers

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 by: Richard Kaplan - Sun, 11 Feb 2024 06:20 UTC

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:43:25 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:43:49 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> > When listening to Chopin Mazurkas yesterday, I noticed that Opus 30
> > includes one in D-flat minor and one in C-sharp minor. But on a piano
> > these are the same key, right? Why the distinction? What did Chopin
> > have in mind? Thanks.
> He wanted to provide a fair and balanced view of the music.
> Political correctness.
>
> Cheers
Op. 30/3 is in D-flat major, not minor, although it does involve a lot of modal mixing. The key of D-flat minor would have eight flats, an impossibility in Chopin's day.

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From: eisner@slac.stanford.edu (Al Eisner)
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 by: Al Eisner - Mon, 19 Feb 2024 05:35 UTC

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024, Richard Kaplan wrote:

> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:43:25 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:43:49 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
>>> When listening to Chopin Mazurkas yesterday, I noticed that Opus 30
>>> includes one in D-flat minor and one in C-sharp minor. But on a piano
>>> these are the same key, right? Why the distinction? What did Chopin
>>> have in mind? Thanks.
>> He wanted to provide a fair and balanced view of the music.
>> Political correctness.
>>
>> Cheers
> Op. 30/3 is in D-flat major, not minor, although it does involve a lot of modal mixing. The key of D-flat minor would have eight flats, an impossibility in Chopin's day.

Thanks, that makes sense. I was playing a recording using Windows Media
Player, which identifies the kay as minor. But it certainly starts out
as major - it's one of the great ones, I think.
--
Al Eisner

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