On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:01:44 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> In a sense it's an extension of total serialism, where the composer specifies timbre, rhythm, pitch, duration etc.

I would never have thought of it this way but you're totally right...

In article <39b6d31e-50cf-43de-ab14-471c798ab60an@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:01:44 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
>>In a sense it's an extension of total serialism, where the composer
>>specifies timbre, rhythm, pitch, duration etc.
>I would never have thought of it this way but you're totally right...

One thing that's changed quite a bit, albeit gradually, is the sort
of timbres developed & used in electronic music -- versus 30-40
years ago when I decided I didn't want to focus there. Timbre has
become more of a focus in new music in general during that time,
but "traditional" instruments already had pleasant/interesting (&
diverse...) timbres!

Today is, kind of randomly, an album called _My Microtonal Piano_
from pianist Sanae Yoshida: It's contemporary music that involves
retuning the piano, a variety....

It's released on Lawo Classics earlier this year, and on the main
streaming services.

I have made plans to attend the February recital in the long-running Piano Spheres series. This one will be held at the 2020 Arts & Archives Venue in Westlake neighborhood of Los Angeles. Tickets are $25, and $15 for seniors and students. Vicki Ray is the pianist, and the program, titled Nacht und Träume, is as follows:

Nacht und Träume – Schubert
Unofficial Dreams – Beetz
Book of Beasts – Meites
The Perilous Night – Cage
Nacht – Berg
Intermezzo: December 28, 2020, After midnight – McIntosh
Liminal Landscape – Bill Alves

Is anyone familiar with the music of Rachel Beetz, Andrew McIntosh, Noah Meites and Bill Alves? McComb??

<< Pianist Vicki Ray presents Nacht und Träume – an evening that explores liminal states of consciousness through the music of Cage, Schubert and Berg alongside new works by Rachel Beetz, Andrew McIntosh, Noah Meites and Bill Alves. Using different keyboards, Ray – with guest soprano Elissa Johnston – will probe the territories of night and dreams using piano, prepared piano, synthesizer along with video and electronics. >>

In article <1be8e041-30a4-43b0-8750-c3cbc8c88852n@googlegroups.com>,
Oscar <oscaredwardwilliamson@gmail.com> wrote:
>Is anyone familiar with the music of Rachel Beetz, Andrew McIntosh,
>Noah Meites and Bill Alves? McComb??

Familiar I'm not, but I've heard at least Alves on a program....

Stockhausen Helicopter String Quartet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU

On 2024-02-14 6:21 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> Stockhausen Helicopter String Quartet
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU
>
Crap!

On 2/14/2024 8:47 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-02-14 6:21 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
>> Stockhausen Helicopter String Quartet
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU
>>
> Crap!

More to the point, not acceptable in this thread. Was written in 1993
and first performed in 1995.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:11 PM UTC-8, PPeso wrote:
> On 2/14/2024 8:47 PM, Graham wrote:
> > On 2024-02-14 6:21 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> >> Stockhausen Helicopter String Quartet
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU
> >>
> > Crap!
> More to the point, not acceptable in this thread.
> Was written in 1993 and first performed in 1995.

Indeed, but Stockhausen was 100 years ahead of
the time. He still is ;-)

Cheers

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 5:47:26 PM UTC-8, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-02-14 6:21 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > Stockhausen Helicopter String Quartet
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU
>
> Crap!

No one has suggested you should fly in one! ;-)

Cheers

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 9:36:35 PM UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> Today is, kind of randomly, an album called _My Microtonal Piano_
> from pianist Sanae Yoshida: It's contemporary music that involves
> retuning the piano, a variety....
>
> It's released on Lawo Classics earlier this year, and on the main
> streaming services.
How about microtonal harpsichord? Music written by someone who teaches at Schola Cantorum Basiliensis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-EqDl-gHN0

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 7:31:32 PM UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> A sort of niche label I've been following for a little while now
> is Bastille Musique, mostly WDR & related performers.... Actually,
> I first learned of this label here on RMCR, with their Berio set
> released in 2019....
>
> Most recent set is devoted to Hugues Dufourt (b.1943), another
> French spectral composer. (I believe the previous release I noted
> here was that for Grisey. In both cases, most of the material has
> already appeared on record, but these sets have ample notes & a
> quality approach across a broader program.) And what "spectral"
> basically means is that the music uses the overtone spectrum, i.e.
> pure ratios.
>
> https://bastillemusique.bandcamp.com/album/hugues-dufourt-surgir
>
> As with Grisey, Dufourt also uses the piano heavily, such that these
> pure spectra are wedded to chromatic scales. As noted, I'm kind
> of ready to move past the piano.... And the Dufourt collection
> goes on to include pieces based on electric guitars as well... with
> no piano, sort of shimmering waves. These pieces are less like
> "classical music" but more intriguing to me. The "classical" pieces
> are appealing enough too.

I've been trying Dufourt's L'atelier rouge - but it's so intense that it makes me feel uneasy. Another day maybe.

L'atelier rouge is an interesting picture I think. Next time I'm in NYC I'll make time to see it.

On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 5:34:00 AM UTC+8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <39b6d31e-50cf-43de...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:01:44 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> >>In a sense it's an extension of total serialism, where the composer
> >>specifies timbre, rhythm, pitch, duration etc.
> >I would never have thought of it this way but you're totally right...
> One thing that's changed quite a bit, albeit gradually, is the sort
> of timbres developed & used in electronic music -- versus 30-40
> years ago when I decided I didn't want to focus there. Timbre has
> become more of a focus in new music in general during that time,
> but "traditional" instruments already had pleasant/interesting (&
> diverse...) timbres!

This reminds me of Radigue saying something to the effect of, the only reason she got into the ARP 2500 was because she could not find or imagine real instrumentalists doing the kinds of things she wanted, and she made the switch to writing for humans because now there's so much more of that kind of thing around. So I guess both electronic music AND live musicians have made progress in this area...

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:49:54 PM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> How about microtonal harpsichord? Music written by someone who teaches at Schola Cantorum Basiliensis
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-EqDl-gHN0

I can't believe they really rebuilt the thing. Sounds really fun to play around with. I'm imagining the xenharmonic stream and the HIP stream of 'classical-ish' musicians combining into a weird new hyper-accelerated archaic-future avant-garde. I'm not sure I like that image...

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 5:55:56 PM UTC+8, cheregi wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 5:34:00 AM UTC+8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> > In article <39b6d31e-50cf-43de...@googlegroups.com>,
> > cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:01:44 AM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > >>In a sense it's an extension of total serialism, where the composer
> > >>specifies timbre, rhythm, pitch, duration etc.
> > >I would never have thought of it this way but you're totally right...
> > One thing that's changed quite a bit, albeit gradually, is the sort
> > of timbres developed & used in electronic music -- versus 30-40
> > years ago when I decided I didn't want to focus there. Timbre has
> > become more of a focus in new music in general during that time,
> > but "traditional" instruments already had pleasant/interesting (&
> > diverse...) timbres!
> This reminds me of Radigue saying something to the effect of, the only reason she got into the ARP 2500 was because she could not find or imagine real instrumentalists doing the kinds of things she wanted, and she made the switch to writing for humans because now there's so much more of that kind of thing around. So I guess both electronic music AND live musicians have made progress in this area...
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:49:54 PM UTC+8, Mandryka wrote:
> > How about microtonal harpsichord? Music written by someone who teaches at Schola Cantorum Basiliensis
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-EqDl-gHN0
> I can't believe they really rebuilt the thing. Sounds really fun to play around with. I'm imagining the xenharmonic stream and the HIP stream of 'classical-ish' musicians combining into a weird new hyper-accelerated archaic-future avant-garde. I'm not sure I like that image...

Anyway, will you two be migrating to wherever other people are suggesting this group move?

In article <8df79d9b-2283-4fb7-92c2-109a1ab03da0n@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>Anyway, will you two be migrating to wherever other people are
>suggesting this group move?

Me? No, I'm a long-time Usenet person, and I'll be staying here
on Usenet. I have no fondness for Google.

In article <b8972e89-fdf6-4862-93ce-2919cfbf41edn@googlegroups.com>,
cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
>So I guess both electronic music AND live musicians have made
>progress in this area...

Yes, and I think that timbre on acoustic instruments was probably
advanced as well by the electronic explorations... forcing people
to consider the details of it.

In article <uqo8c5$aas$1@hope.eyrie.org>,
Todd M. McComb <mccomb@medieval.org> wrote:
>I'm a long-time Usenet person, and I'll be staying here on Usenet.

This is also my real email address, and of course there is my web
site, which would be updated if contact information were to change....
(I'll be changing my physical address in the next few months, but
not online addresses.)

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 2:09:15 AM UTC+8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <8df79d9b-2283-4fb7...@googlegroups.com>,
> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Anyway, will you two be migrating to wherever other people are
> >suggesting this group move?
> Me? No, I'm a long-time Usenet person, and I'll be staying here
> on Usenet. I have no fondness for Google.

I thought that we were being informed that that wouldn't be an option!

I guess what's really happening is someone like me who posts via groups.google.com is now obligated to switch to a different... client? app? whatever the term is?

On Feb 17, 2024 at 3:24:17 AM EST, "cheregi" <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 2:09:15 AM UTC+8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>> In article <8df79d9b-2283-4fb7...@googlegroups.com>,
>> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anyway, will you two be migrating to wherever other people are
>>> suggesting this group move?
>> Me? No, I'm a long-time Usenet person, and I'll be staying here
>> on Usenet. I have no fondness for Google.
>
> I thought that we were being informed that that wouldn't be an option!
>
> I guess what's really happening is someone like me who posts via
> groups.google.com is now obligated to switch to a different... client? app?
> whatever the term is?

Hi cheregi! Usenet is an ancient system that allows users to create discussion
groups such as RMCR. It was created by computer professionals in 1980 and has
a less friendly interface compared to what is available today, so Google
provided a way to conveniently access Usenet through their Google Groups
interface which follows the interface conventions folks are used to these
days.

For whatever reason, Google will no longer support full access to Usenet as of
the 22nd - old posts will still appear through Google Groups but no new
threads or posts will be there - so there will be no ability to start topics
or reply.

In order to continue access, you will need to acquire a separate app on your
PC or phone that allows access to Usenet - this is called a client. You will
also need to configure the client to point to a Usenet server.

There are many Usenet servers, some of them allow free access, but most have a
monthly charge. sci.space created a separate thread which provides more
detail: "OT - Replacement for Google Groups, recommendations?"

I'm going to now post this explanation there - please feel free to reply there
with any or all questions you have!

And thank you for all of your well written posts on early music, world music,
and contemporary music - the dialog between you and Todd is definitely one of
the highlights of RMCR!

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 8:58:28 PM UTC+8, Notsure01 wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2024 at 3:24:17 AM EST, "cheregi" <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 2:09:15 AM UTC+8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> >> In article <8df79d9b-2283-4fb7...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Anyway, will you two be migrating to wherever other people are
> >>> suggesting this group move?
> >> Me? No, I'm a long-time Usenet person, and I'll be staying here
> >> on Usenet. I have no fondness for Google.
> >
> > I thought that we were being informed that that wouldn't be an option!
> >
> > I guess what's really happening is someone like me who posts via
> > groups.google.com is now obligated to switch to a different... client? app?
> > whatever the term is?
> Hi cheregi! Usenet is an ancient system that allows users to create discussion
> groups such as RMCR. It was created by computer professionals in 1980 and has
> a less friendly interface compared to what is available today, so Google
> provided a way to conveniently access Usenet through their Google Groups
> interface which follows the interface conventions folks are used to these
> days.
>
> For whatever reason, Google will no longer support full access to Usenet as of
> the 22nd - old posts will still appear through Google Groups but no new
> threads or posts will be there - so there will be no ability to start topics
> or reply.
>
> In order to continue access, you will need to acquire a separate app on your
> PC or phone that allows access to Usenet - this is called a client. You will
> also need to configure the client to point to a Usenet server.
>
> There are many Usenet servers, some of them allow free access, but most have a
> monthly charge. sci.space created a separate thread which provides more
> detail: "OT - Replacement for Google Groups, recommendations?"
>
> I'm going to now post this explanation there - please feel free to reply there
> with any or all questions you have!

Hi, thanks so much for this - some of it I knew already, much of it I didn't.

> And thank you for all of your well written posts on early music, world music,
> and contemporary music - the dialog between you and Todd is definitely one of
> the highlights of RMCR!

I appreciate that a lot! Glad to hear!