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by: Pluted Pup - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 23:40 UTC

Pianist S. Richter has a usable discography at:

https://pianistdiscography.com/discography/pianist.php?PIANIST=1

that makes it easy to compare recording dates
and record labels.

Is there something like that for the conductor Mengelberg?

The other day I listened to his third disc of his
31 disc box set on Scribendum, with the Schubert 8 and 9
listed as recorded 16/17 June 1943, in horribly
muffled by "noise reduction" sound.

Mengelberg CDs are like a maze, and I can't tell at a
glance if this performance is on another label, a
better one, that I do or do not have, to have a
better listen.

On the first CD I grabbed the lively Berlioz Marche
Hongrois from 21 March 1943 for my classical
playlist, after cutting out the applause, to go along with
the studio recording version from Andante.

Discogrophies are great librarianship, what we need
more of!

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by: DeepBlue - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 23:50 UTC

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by: DeepBlue - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 00:00 UTC

Pluted Pup wrote:

> Discogrophies are great librarianship,
> what we need more of!

Disocographies or discogrophies ?!?

Make up your mind (if you have one).

Cheers

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by: DeepBlue - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 00:04 UTC

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by: DeepBlue - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 04:41 UTC

DeepBlue wrote:
>
> Pluted Pup wrote:
>
>> Discogrophies are great librarianship,
>> what we need more of!
>
> Disocographies or discogrophies ?!?
> Make up your mind (if you have one).

It boggles the mind that a librarian
cannot even misspell correctly! ;-)

Cheers!

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by: PPeso - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 06:12 UTC

On 2/29/2024 6:40 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
>
> Pianist S. Richter has a usable discography at:
>
> https://pianistdiscography.com/discography/pianist.php?PIANIST=1
>

For Richter's discography until 2012 I would strongly recommend this:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5nLXiQ7p6q2SNyujtiAWPajAIzEFVY6/view

> that makes it easy to compare recording dates
> and record labels.
>
> Is there something like that for the conductor Mengelberg?

https://www.willemmengelberg.nl/?q=discografie
>

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by: DeepBlue - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 07:41 UTC

PPeso wrote:

> On 2/29/2024 6:40 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
>>
>> Pianist S. Richter has a usable discography at:
>>
>> https://pianistdiscography.com/discography/pianist.php?PIANIST=1
>>

> For Richter's discography until 2012 I would strongly recommend this:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5nLXiQ7p6q2SNyujtiAWPajAIzEFVY6/view

Did Richter make any recordings since 2012 ?!?

Thx

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by: Pluted Pup - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 19:52 UTC

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 22:12:38 -0800, PPeso wrote:

> On 2/29/2024 6:40 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
> >
> > Pianist S. Richter has a usable discography at:
> >
> > https://pianistdiscography.com/discography/pianist.php?PIANIST=1
>
> For Richter's discography until 2012 I would strongly recommend this:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5nLXiQ7p6q2SNyujtiAWPajAIzEFVY6/view
>
> > that makes it easy to compare recording dates
> > and record labels.
> >
> > Is there something like that for the conductor Mengelberg?
>
> https://www.willemmengelberg.nl/?q=discografie

That does not list what performances are on
what CDs.

Here is a discography for Richter:

https://pianistdiscography.com/discography/pianist.php?PIANIST=1

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by: DeepBlue - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:11 UTC

Pluted Pup wrote:
>> >
>> > Is there something like that for the conductor Mengelberg?
>>
>> https://www.willemmengelberg.nl/?q=discografie
>
> That does not list what performances
> are on what CDs.

Mengelberg's recordings were issued on
LP, not CD. He passed in 1951, before
the entire world was overcome with CDs.
Since you are a librarian, you ought to
be able to search the catalogs of the
Library of Congress as well as those
of many other public and university
libraries -- if you only weren't so
utterly pluted!

Here is a link to the Dutch National
Library: https://www.kb.nl/en

> Here is a discography for Richter:

> https://pianistdiscography.com/discography/pianist.php?PIANIST=1

Yes indeed, but you asked for a
"disocography", not a discography.
They are not comparable. Not the
same pluted thing at all!

Cheers

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by: Chris J. - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 10:54 UTC

On 1 Mar 2024 PPeso wrote:

> For Richter's discography until 2012 I would strongly recommend this:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5nLXiQ7p6q2SNyujtiAWPajAIzEFVY6/view

>> that makes it easy to compare recording dates and record labels.
>>
>> Is there something like that for the conductor Mengelberg?

> https://www.willemmengelberg.nl/?q=discografie

https://401dutchdivas.nl/en/conductors/420-willem-mengelberg-4.html

https://www.discogs.com/artist/1015420-Willem-Mengelberg

('Search and Filters'; check Format 'CD', or whatever other format)

Perhaps there isn't a better discography of WM.

Chris

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by: DeepBlue - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 20:45 UTC

Chris J. wrote:
>
> On 1 Mar 2024 PPeso wrote:>

>> For Richter's discography until 2012 I would strongly recommend this:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5nLXiQ7p6q2SNyujtiAWPajAIzEFVY6/view

>>> that makes it easy to compare recording dates and record labels.
>>>
>>> Is there something like that for the conductor Mengelberg?

>> https://www.willemmengelberg.nl/?q=discografie

> https://401dutchdivas.nl/en/conductors/420-willem-mengelberg-4.html

> https://www.discogs.com/artist/1015420-Willem-Mengelberg

> ('Search and Filters'; check Format 'CD', or whatever other format)

> Perhaps there isn't a better discography of WM.

Check these:

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-recorded-heritage-of-Willem-Mengelberg-and-its-Golescu/971e553be3e3531724a920232ccffafd6978995a

https://core.ac.uk/display/20442469

Ciao!

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by: DeepBlue - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:05 UTC

DeepBlue wrote:

> Check these:

> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-recorded-heritage-of-Willem-Mengelberg-and-its-Golescu/971e553be3e3531724a920232ccffafd6978995a

> https://core.ac.uk/display/20442469

I have a copy of Samir's Ph.D. thesis
mentioned above. It includes 30 pages
of disocography. Since the thesis is
copyrighted it would be inappopriate
to distribute copies without Samir's
permission.

I would be happy to answer targeted
questions about specific works and
performances.

Ciao!

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by: DeepBlue - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 22:16 UTC

DeepBlue wrote:

> DeepBlue wrote:

>> Check these:

>> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-recorded-heritage-of-Willem-Mengelberg-and-its-Golescu/971e553be3e3531724a920232ccffafd6978995a

>> https://core.ac.uk/display/20442469

> I have a copy of Samir's Ph.D. thesis
> mentioned above. It includes 30 pages
> of disocography. Since the thesis is
> copyrighted it would be inappopriate
> to distribute copies without Samir's
> permission.

> I would be happy to answer targeted
> questions about specific works and
> performances.

There is always Discogs:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/1015420-Willem-Mengelberg

Ciao!

Subject	Author
Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	Pluted Pup
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	PPeso
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	Pluted Pup
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	Chris J.
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue
Re: Mengelberg disocography? a la Richter?	DeepBlue