Es geht um Israel - Justus Wertmüller, 2024

"„Aber ich […] habe nichts einzuwenden gegen die Lehre, daß alles bezahlt werden muß“. (1) Dieses Zitat von Thomas Mann aus dem Jahr 1942 bezog sich auf die Bombardierung seiner Heimatstadt Lübeck, die er ausdrücklich guthieß. Jüngst ist es wiederverwendet worden, ergänzt um ein Bild der Ruinen einiger Wohn- und Geschäftshäuser in Gaza Stadt, die seit dem 7. Oktober 2023 in großer Zahl von der IDF beschossen werden.

Thomas Mann ging von zwei Annahmen aus: Es kann nicht sein, dass einer dem Regime willfährigen Bevölkerung erspart bleibt, was sie in den Fällen Guernica, Rotterdam und Coventry etc. teils jubelnd, teils achselzuckend quittiert hat. Und: Es gibt eine gesittetere Welt als die deutsche, die in gemeinsamer Kraftanstrengung den totalen Regime Change in Deutschland herbeiführen wird, in der Zuversicht, dass die deutschen Schrecken für die Zukunft gebannt werden können. In den Jahren nach 1945 blieb es dem deutschen Selbstgespräch überlassen, immer und immer wieder um den „britisch-amerikanischen Luftterror“ (2), wie Josef Goebbels sich ausdrückte, zu kreisen, ohne dass die Welt ihnen zugehört hätte. An die Legende von der unschuldigen deutschen Bevölkerung hat in den Kriegsjahren und in den ersten Jahrzehnten danach niemand geglaubt, wohl aber daran, dass die zerstörten Städte und die 600.000 in ihnen zu Tode Gekommenen, genauso wie die in den ersten Nachkriegswintern Verhungerten und Erfrorenen die Folge der Spekulation auf den Endsieg waren, die das Land der Täter zu tragen habe. Dass beginnend mit der Kapitulation in ständig wachsender Menge Hilfsgüter vor allem
aus den USA nach Deutschland geschafft worden sind, war Ausdruck von Humanität und nicht schlechtem Gewissen."

https://www.redaktion-bahamas.org/hefte/93/Es-geht-um-Israel.html

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In English (used google translator):

"“But I […] have no objection to the teaching that everything has to be paid for.” (1) This quote from Thomas Mann from 1942 referred to the bombing of his hometown of Lübeck, which he expressly approved of. It has recently been reused, supplemented with an image of the ruins of some residential and commercial buildings in Gaza City, which have been under fire by the IDF in large numbers since October 7, 2023.

Thomas Mann made two assumptions: It cannot be the case that a population that is compliant with the regime is spared what they acknowledged in the cases of Guernica, Rotterdam and Coventry etc. with some cheers and some with a shrug of their shoulders. And: There is a more civilized world than the German one, which will make a joint effort to bring about total regime change in Germany, with the confidence that the German horrors can be averted for the future. In the years after 1945, German soliloquies were left to circle over and over again about “British-American aerial terror” (2), as Josef Goebbels put it, without the world listening to them. Nobody believed in the legend of the innocent German population during the war years and in the first decades afterwards, but they did believe that the destroyed cities and the 600,000 people who died in them, as well as those who starved and froze to death in the first post-war winters, were the result the speculation about the final victory that the perpetrator's country had to bear. The fact that ever-increasing amounts of relief supplies were brought to Germany, especially from the USA, starting with the capitulation, was an expr
ession of humanity and not a bad conscience."

JudeoN4zi wrote:

> Es geht um Israel - Justus Wertmüller, 2024

> "“But I […] have no objection to the teaching that
> everything has to be paid for.” (1) This quote from
> Thomas Mann from 1942 referred to the bombing of his
> hometown of Lübeck, which he expressly approved of.
> It has recently been reused, supplemented with an
> image of the ruins of some residential and commercial
> buildings in Gaza City, which have been under fire by
> the IDF in large numbers since October 7, 2023.
> Thomas Mann made two assumptions: It cannot be the
> case that a population that is compliant with the
> regime is spared what they acknowledged in the cases
> of Guernica, Rotterdam and Coventry etc. with some
> cheers and some with a shrug of their shoulders. And:
> There is a more civilized world than the German one,
> which will make a joint effort to bring about total
> regime change in Germany, with the confidence that
> the German horrors can be averted for the future.
> In the years after 1945, German soliloquies were left
> to circle over and over again about “British-American
> aerial terror” (2), as Josef Goebbels put it, without
> the world listening to them. Nobody believed in the
> legend of the innocent German population during the
> war years and in the first decades afterwards, but
> they did believe that the destroyed cities and the
> 600,000 people who died in them, as well as those
> who starved and froze to death in the first post-war
> winters, were the result the speculation about the
> final victory that the perpetrator's country had to
> bear. The fact that ever-increasing amounts of relief
> supplies were brought to Germany, especially from the
> USA, starting with the capitulation, was an expression
> of humanity and not a bad conscience."

The German people and the Japanese people no longer
believed after WWII that the rest of the world owed
them everything while they did not owe anything to
the rest of the world. This is not the case for the
P/Fak/lestinians, Gaza and Hamas. They still believe
the entire world owes them everything they fantasize
about while they owe nothing at all to anyone at all.

This is a typical symptom of all religion driven belief
systems that embolden people to claim the entire planet
as their own just because some "prophet" said so.

The Arabs vs. Israel wars were never really about land.
They were, asn still are, about the clash between a
totalitarian shared belief system amd the civilized
Western world.

Cheers

DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>> Es geht um Israel - Justus Wertmüller, 2024

>> "“But I […] have no objection to the teaching that
>> everything has to be paid for.” (1) This quote from
>> Thomas Mann from 1942 referred to the bombing of his
>> hometown of Lübeck, which he expressly approved of.
>> It has recently been reused, supplemented with an
>> image of the ruins of some residential and commercial
>> buildings in Gaza City, which have been under fire by
>> the IDF in large numbers since October 7, 2023.
>> Thomas Mann made two assumptions: It cannot be the
>> case that a population that is compliant with the
>> regime is spared what they acknowledged in the cases
>> of Guernica, Rotterdam and Coventry etc. with some
>> cheers and some with a shrug of their shoulders. And:
>> There is a more civilized world than the German one,
>> which will make a joint effort to bring about total
>> regime change in Germany, with the confidence that
>> the German horrors can be averted for the future.
>> In the years after 1945, German soliloquies were left
>> to circle over and over again about “British-American
>> aerial terror” (2), as Josef Goebbels put it, without
>> the world listening to them. Nobody believed in the
>> legend of the innocent German population during the
>> war years and in the first decades afterwards, but
>> they did believe that the destroyed cities and the
>> 600,000 people who died in them, as well as those
>> who starved and froze to death in the first post-war
>> winters, were the result the speculation about the
>> final victory that the perpetrator's country had to
>> bear. The fact that ever-increasing amounts of relief
>> supplies were brought to Germany, especially from the
>> USA, starting with the capitulation, was an expression
>> of humanity and not a bad conscience."

> The German people and the Japanese people no longer
> believed after WWII that the rest of the world owed
> them everything while they did not owe anything to
> the rest of the world. This is not the case for the
> P/Fak/lestinians, Gaza and Hamas. They still believe
> the entire world owes them everything they fantasize
> about while they owe nothing at all to anyone at all.

> This is a typical symptom of all religion driven belief
> systems that embolden people to claim the entire planet
> as their own just because some "prophet" said so.

> The Arabs vs. Israel wars were never really about land.
> They were, asn still are, about the clash between a
> totalitarian shared belief system amd the civilized
> Western world.

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DeepBlue wrote:

> JudeoN4zi wrote:

>> Es geht um Israel - Justus Wertmüller, 2024

>> "“But I […] have no objection to the teaching that
>> everything has to be paid for.” (1) This quote from
>> Thomas Mann from 1942 referred to the bombing of his
>> hometown of Lübeck, which he expressly approved of.
>> It has recently been reused, supplemented with an
>> image of the ruins of some residential and commercial
>> buildings in Gaza City, which have been under fire by
>> the IDF in large numbers since October 7, 2023.
>> Thomas Mann made two assumptions: It cannot be the
>> case that a population that is compliant with the
>> regime is spared what they acknowledged in the cases
>> of Guernica, Rotterdam and Coventry etc. with some
>> cheers and some with a shrug of their shoulders. And:
>> There is a more civilized world than the German one,
>> which will make a joint effort to bring about total
>> regime change in Germany, with the confidence that
>> the German horrors can be averted for the future.
>> In the years after 1945, German soliloquies were left
>> to circle over and over again about “British-American
>> aerial terror” (2), as Josef Goebbels put it, without
>> the world listening to them. Nobody believed in the
>> legend of the innocent German population during the
>> war years and in the first decades afterwards, but
>> they did believe that the destroyed cities and the
>> 600,000 people who died in them, as well as those
>> who starved and froze to death in the first post-war
>> winters, were the result the speculation about the
>> final victory that the perpetrator's country had to
>> bear. The fact that ever-increasing amounts of relief
>> supplies were brought to Germany, especially from the
>> USA, starting with the capitulation, was an expression
>> of humanity and not a bad conscience."

> The German people and the Japanese people no longer
> believed after WWII that the rest of the world owed
> them everything while they did not owe anything to
> the rest of the world. This is not the case for the
> P/Fak/lestinians, Gaza and Hamas. They still believe
> the entire world owes them everything they fantasize
> about while they owe nothing at all to anyone at all.

Wrong on so many levels...

Germans and Japanese got pretty much everything after the war (Marshall Plan, Reconstruction of Japan; similar btw to how much help the fakestinians got from the UN, EU etc. - th). Isn't it ironic that the perpetrators of the second world war emerged from it better than the victims (Germany // Poland)? It's almost as if Germany didn't really pay anything, they didn't have to, the population - more or less - carried on as if nothing ever happened.

"Wulf committed suicide on 10 October 1974 by jumping from the fifth-floor window of his apartment at Giesebrechtstraße 12, Berlin-Charlottenburg.[9] For three years, he had planned to write a 500-page history of East European Jewry. A publisher's letter accepting his proposal arrived on the day of his death and was found unopened.[16] In his last letter to his son, David, he wrote, "I have published 18 books about the Third Reich and they have had no effect. You can document everything to death for the Germans. There is a democratic regime in Bonn. Yet the mass murderers walk around free, live in their little houses, and grow flowers.""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Wulf

Furthermore the Germans (not just the Germans, but especially the Germans) owe it to the victims to educate themselves about what has happened etc.

> This is a typical symptom of all religion driven belief
> systems that embolden people to claim the entire planet
> as their own just because some "prophet" said so.

While the islamic ideology surely plays a role, their hatred for Jews is also related to the capitalist world. Affected by the fetish, the subject cannot make sense of the capitalist realities it is surrounded by, but seeks to alleviate its struggles. That's where anti-semitism comes in: the Jews are depicted as powerful, invisible, superior, ghost-like forces that control the world in secret. This characterization is exactly the same as the one Marx used to describe value. But because value itself isn't seizable, the subject is forced into blaming the circumstances onto somebody else, hence the Jews. Anti-semites see Jews as superior, not inferior, which is the major difference to racism. A racist tries to explain e.g. an african-american person's character by projecting stereotypes on them, but an anti-semite tries to explain the world's character by "pathetically projecting " (Adorno/Horkheimer/Löwenthal) the realities onto Jews. A racist would be content with not having to see the "inferiors", Anti-semites are paranoid about somebody else running the strings and holding the world hostage. Because they want to "liberate themselves" from those in control, the only consequence i
s annihilation, or as Postone put it "extermination for the sake of extermination". In short: people are perplexed by the dimension of value and instead see Jews as personifying the effect value has, which is why the shoah was the "negative sublation of capital". In the process of extermination, the Germans' societal structure vanished, and whether one was a worker or a major capitalist didn't matter anymore; all that mattered was that they were united in chasing the enemy, the Jews, and thus molded into a "Volksgemeinschaft", a people's community.

Why do so many non-religious people side with the fakestinians? Why do so many lefties side with them? Why do so many people hate Jews? You see, it's not just islam.

Moishe Postone:

"It’s true that the Israeli government uses the charge of antisemitism to shield it from criticisms. But that doesn’t mean that antisemitism itself isn’t a serious problem. The way in which antisemitism is distinguished, and should be distinguished, from racism, has to do with the sort of imaginary of power, attributed to the Jews, Zionism, and Israel, which is at the heart of antisemitism. The Jews are seen as constituting an immensely powerful, abstract, intangible global form of power that dominates the world. There is nothing similar to this idea at the heart of other forms of racism. Racism rarely, to the best of my knowledge, constitutes a whole system that seeks to explain the world; whereas antisemitism is a primitive critique of the world of capitalist modernity. The reason I regard it as being particularly dangerous for the Left is precisely because antisemitism has a pseudo-emancipatory dimension that other forms of racism rarely have."

https://www.krisis.org/2010/zionism-anti-semitism-and-the-left/

Werner Bonefeld:

“Modern antisemitism is ‘the rumor about the Jews’ as the incarnation of hated forms of capitalism, which implies that antisemitism expresses resistance to capitalism.”

https://critantisemnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bonefeld-in-stoetzler.pdf

> The Arabs vs. Israel wars were never really about land.
> They were, asn still are, about the clash between a
> totalitarian shared belief system amd the civilized
> Western world.

This is a bit too simple, but it's not untrue.

In a sense they are similar to many movements today that want to destroy (*not overcome) capitalism and replace it with a system that is poorer (Regression; sharia law for example). These are all pseudo-emancipatory movements. Why was the RAF (Red Army Faction, Germany) pro-fakestine? Why do so many leftists revere Mao and Che Guevara? What's up with Corbyn? Why are all the "communist" leaders - Maduro, Lula etc - standing behind fakestine? And why is Andy incapable of seeing reality as it is and instead starts to demonize the Jews?

> Cheers