According to May Pang, when Apple representative Tony King met her and John in Los Angeles, John gave Tony a tape of his new record "Mind Games" and asked him for advice. He wanted to know how Tony thought he should promote the album.

King hesitated, then told John that he needed to "Let people know that you're okay." John needed to abandon the angry persona he had been projecting in interviews for some years and convey to the public that he was happy and healthy.

In his early-to-middle-period Beatles interviews, Lennon was humorous, witty, and sometimes irreverent. By the late 1960s and particularly the 1970s, something had changed. Lennon became resentful of his fellow Beatles and of seemingly the whole Beatles experience.

John's resentment seemed to peak in the early 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970 album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing I've ever done.."

I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John into such an angry person.

In article <67cf72e2-2f23-45fb-ade1-
f1374eab6dcen@googlegroups.com>, norbertkosky69@gmail.com
says...
>
> John's resentment seemed to peak in the early
> 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970
> album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing
> I've ever done."

Clearly he was on 'something' when he made that statement!

> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed
> John into such an angry person.

Apart from waking up and seeing Yoko's head on the pillow next
to him each morning?

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 10:51:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> In article <67cf72e2-2f23-45fb-ade1-
> f1374e...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> says...
> >
> > John's resentment seemed to peak in the early
> > 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970
> > album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing
> > I've ever done."
> Clearly he was on 'something' when he made that statement!
> > I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed
> > John into such an angry person.
> Apart from waking up and seeing Yoko's head on the pillow next
> to him each morning?

LOL!

On 2024-02-05, Norbert K <norbertkosky69@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John
> into such an angry person.

To me it looked like the frustration of seeking but not finding.

--
oldernow
xyz001 at nym.hush.com

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:55:02 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> According to May Pang, when Apple representative Tony King met her and John in Los Angeles, John gave Tony a tape of his new record "Mind Games" and asked him for advice. He wanted to know how Tony thought he should promote the album.
>
> King hesitated, then told John that he needed to "Let people know that you're okay." John needed to abandon the angry persona he had been projecting in interviews for some years and convey to the public that he was happy and healthy.
>
> In his early-to-middle-period Beatles interviews, Lennon was humorous, witty, and sometimes irreverent. By the late 1960s and particularly the 1970s, something had changed. Lennon became resentful of his fellow Beatles and of seemingly the whole Beatles experience.
>
> John's resentment seemed to peak in the early 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970 album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing I've ever done."
>
> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John into such an angry person.
I think John began to sense all the intrigue and danger surrounding him from those close to him, including Yoko, who told him to trust only her...

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:55:02 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> According to May Pang, when Apple representative Tony King met her and John in Los Angeles, John gave Tony a tape of his new record "Mind Games" and asked him for advice. He wanted to know how Tony thought he should promote the album.
>
> King hesitated, then told John that he needed to "Let people know that you're okay." John needed to abandon the angry persona he had been projecting in interviews for some years and convey to the public that he was happy and healthy.
>
> In his early-to-middle-period Beatles interviews, Lennon was humorous, witty, and sometimes irreverent. By the late 1960s and particularly the 1970s, something had changed. Lennon became resentful of his fellow Beatles and of seemingly the whole Beatles experience.
>
> John's resentment seemed to peak in the early 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970 album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing I've ever done."
>
> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John into such an angry person.

One of the most glaring examples of the angry, paranoid, enraged John is in the Imagine doc, of all places, where he's lashing out inappropriately at Gloria Emerson.

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-8, Norbert K wrote:
> According to May Pang, when Apple representative Tony King met her and John in Los Angeles, John gave Tony a tape of his new record "Mind Games" and asked him for advice. He wanted to know how Tony thought he should promote the album.
>
> King hesitated, then told John that he needed to "Let people know that you're okay." John needed to abandon the angry persona he had been projecting in interviews for some years and convey to the public that he was happy and healthy.
>
> In his early-to-middle-period Beatles interviews, Lennon was humorous, witty, and sometimes irreverent. By the late 1960s and particularly the 1970s, something had changed. Lennon became resentful of his fellow Beatles and of seemingly the whole Beatles experience.
>
> John's resentment seemed to peak in the early 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970 album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing I've ever done."
>
> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John into such an angry person.

I think John was mimicking Yoko's resentment towards Paul (which was born of his rejecting her advances) and the Beatles. Yoko resented the Beatles because they were (justifiably) successful while she was a laughingstock.

If you look at John's behavior and statements from his time with May Pang, you'll be struck by how obviously his pride in his work and his friendliness towards his former bandmates had temporarily returned. Why? Because he was free of Yoko's control.

By 1980, all the anger and paranoia was back in spades. John was giving voice to Yoko's resentments.

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 7:51:13 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> In article <67cf72e2-2f23-45fb-ade1-
> f1374e...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> says...
> >
> > John's resentment seemed to peak in the early
> > 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970
> > album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing
> > I've ever done."
> Clearly he was on 'something' when he made that statement!

Ha! Well, in fact he was on smack at the time.

John said something even more ridiculous in the Playboy interview of 1980. He named a couple of his dreary, lethargic solo songs and said that they were as good as anything he had done with the Beatles. It was a delusional statement.

John was dismissive of his best (though far from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges, in that interview, too. Why? Because he was away from Yoko when he created it.

In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
21f61ae5c36cn@googlegroups.com>, norbertkosky69@gmail.com
says...
>
> John was dismissive of his best (though far
> from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> was away from Yoko when he created it.

I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...

Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> says...
> >
> > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
>
> Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!

Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.

May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."

David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.

Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case).

Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.

On 2024-02-07, Stephen O'Connell <stephenoconnell@usenet.ie> wrote:

> I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on
> John so that he thought and said exactly what she wanted
> him too...
>
> Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!

I can't imagine any amount of "hot in bed" making up for having to
hear that voice - especially on a regular basis.

--
oldernow
xyz001 at nym.hush.com

In article <slrnus7mn6.r2i.oldernow@oldernow.jethrick.com>,
oldernow@dev.null says...
>
> On 2024-02-07, Stephen O'Connell <stephenoconnell@usenet.ie> wrote:
>
> > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on
> > John so that he thought and said exactly what she wanted
> > him too...
> >
> > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
>
> I can't imagine any amount of "hot in bed" making up for having to
> hear that voice - especially on a regular basis.

The voice? I'd find looking at her face on a regular basis bad
enough.

In article <824adb6c-d5f8-4da0-bc54-
c7b5768a3980n@googlegroups.com>, norbertkosky69@gmail.com
says...
>
> The previous day, while fried on the drug, Lennon
> had wanted to hold a press conference to announce
> to the world that he was Jesus Christ.

That would have been fun!!! :-)

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 3:44:25 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> In article <824adb6c-d5f8-4da0-bc54-
> c7b576...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> says...
> >
> > The previous day, while fried on the drug, Lennon
> > had wanted to hold a press conference to announce
> > to the world that he was Jesus Christ.
> That would have been fun!!! :-)

He went from "more popular than Jesus" to "I *am* Jesus"!

What a difference LSD made.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> > In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> > 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> > says...
> > >
> > > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> > that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
> >
> > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
> Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.
>
> May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."
>
> David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.
>
> Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case).
>
> Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.
If you start with a hypothesis that Yoko was an agent everything seems to fall into place...

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> > > In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> > > 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > > > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > > > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > > > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> > > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> > > that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
> > >
> > > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
> > Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.
> >
> > May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."
> >
> > David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.
> >
> > Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case)..
> >
> > Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.
> If you start with a hypothesis that Yoko was an agent everything seems to fall into place...

I think the hypothesis that Yoko is a narcissist adequately accounts for her behavior.

On 2024-02-08, Stephen O'Connell <stephenoconnell@usenet.ie> wrote:

> > > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
>
> > I can't imagine any amount of "hot in bed" making up for
> > having to hear that voice - especially on a regular basis.
>
> The voice? I'd find looking at her face on a regular basis
> bad enough.

------------------------------
| in the middle of the night |
| in the middle of the night |
| I fear your face |
| |
| oh yoko |
| oh yoko |
| my mind should turn |
| you off |
| |
| in the middle of a dream |
| in the middle of a dream |
| I cringe your voice |
| |
| oh yoko |
| oh yoko |
| my mind should turn |
| you off |
------------------------------

--
oldernow
xyz001 at nym.hush.com

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:42:22 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> > > > In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> > > > 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> > > > says...
> > > > >
> > > > > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > > > > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > > > > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > > > > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> > > > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> > > > that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
> > > >
> > > > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
> > > Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.
> > >
> > > May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."
> > >
> > > David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.
> > >
> > > Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case).
> > >
> > > Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.
> > If you start with a hypothesis that Yoko was an agent everything seems to fall into place...
> I think the hypothesis that Yoko is a narcissist adequately accounts for her behavior.
I think that's part of the cover-up...

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:41:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:42:22 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> > > > > In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> > > > > 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> > > > > says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > > > > > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > > > > > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > > > > > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> > > > > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> > > > > that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
> > > > >
> > > > > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
> > > > Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.
> > > >
> > > > May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."
> > > >
> > > > David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.
> > > >
> > > > Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case).
> > > >
> > > > Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.
> > > If you start with a hypothesis that Yoko was an agent everything seems to fall into place...
> > I think the hypothesis that Yoko is a narcissist adequately accounts for her behavior.
> I think that's part of the cover-up...

Cover-up of *what*?

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 6:09:11 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:41:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:42:22 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> > > > > > In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> > > > > > 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> > > > > > says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > > > > > > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > > > > > > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > > > > > > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> > > > > > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> > > > > > that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
> > > > > Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.
> > > > >
> > > > > May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."
> > > > >
> > > > > David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case).
> > > > >
> > > > > Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.
> > > > If you start with a hypothesis that Yoko was an agent everything seems to fall into place...
> > > I think the hypothesis that Yoko is a narcissist adequately accounts for her behavior.
> > I think that's part of the cover-up...
> Cover-up of *what*?
An experiment...

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:06:39 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 6:09:11 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:41:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:42:22 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> > > > > > > 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > > > > > > > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > > > > > > > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > > > > > > > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> > > > > > > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> > > > > > > that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
> > > > > > Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.
> > > > > If you start with a hypothesis that Yoko was an agent everything seems to fall into place...
> > > > I think the hypothesis that Yoko is a narcissist adequately accounts for her behavior.
> > > I think that's part of the cover-up...
> > Cover-up of *what*?
> An experiment...

Would you care to be a little more specific?

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 1:58:11 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:06:39 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 6:09:11 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:41:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:42:22 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-8, Stephen O'Connell wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <4b4b4aff-d15f-4cb2-b5bd-
> > > > > > > > 21f61a...@googlegroups.com>, norbert...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John was dismissive of his best (though far
> > > > > > > > > from perfect) solo album, Walls & Bridges,
> > > > > > > > > in that interview, too. Why? Because he
> > > > > > > > > was away from Yoko when he created it.
> > > > > > > > I genuinely think Yoko used some sort of hypnotism on John so
> > > > > > > > that he thought and said exactly what she wanted him too...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Either that or she was really hot in bed!!!
> > > > > > > Yeah, what, exactly enabled Yoko to control John? Early on, he was susceptible to her (and others like her, e.g., Alex Mardas) because he'd fried his mind on acid. He was an easy mark for predators.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > May Pang wrote that Yoko boasted: "I've been through primal therapy with him. I know his deepest fears."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David Spinozza said that Yoko loved to brag that she considered John a child who would do anything she instructed him to do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Village Voice journalist Howard Smith says that Yoko would repeat her boasts -- for example, about what a great artist she was -- endlessly. Some people are persuaded by mere repetition (though Smith was not in this case).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whatever Yoko's means of controlling Lennon was, the whole thing -- his whole involvement with her -- is sad and disturbing. A waste of a once-great talent.
> > > > > > If you start with a hypothesis that Yoko was an agent everything seems to fall into place...
> > > > > I think the hypothesis that Yoko is a narcissist adequately accounts for her behavior.
> > > > I think that's part of the cover-up...
> > > Cover-up of *what*?
> > An experiment...
> Would you care to be a little more specific?
To substitute a fiend for a hero...

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:55:02 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> According to May Pang, when Apple representative Tony King met her and John in Los Angeles, John gave Tony a tape of his new record "Mind Games" and asked him for advice. He wanted to know how Tony thought he should promote the album.
>
> King hesitated, then told John that he needed to "Let people know that you're okay." John needed to abandon the angry persona he had been projecting in interviews for some years and convey to the public that he was happy and healthy.
>
> In his early-to-middle-period Beatles interviews, Lennon was humorous, witty, and sometimes irreverent. By the late 1960s and particularly the 1970s, something had changed. Lennon became resentful of his fellow Beatles and of seemingly the whole Beatles experience.
>
> John's resentment seemed to peak in the early 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970 album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing I've ever done."
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> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John into such an angry person.

Maybe he was craving a fix and was afraid to have it in front of the interviewer.

>On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:55:02 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
>> According to May Pang, when Apple representative Tony King met her and John in Los Angeles, John gave Tony a tape of his new record "Mind Games" and asked him for advice. He wanted to know how Tony thought he should promote the album.
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>> King hesitated, then told John that he needed to "Let people know that you're okay." John needed to abandon the angry persona he had been projecting in interviews for some years and convey to the public that he was happy and healthy.
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>> In his early-to-middle-period Beatles interviews, Lennon was humorous, witty, and sometimes irreverent. By the late 1960s and particularly the 1970s, something had changed. Lennon became resentful of his fellow Beatles and of seemingly the whole Beatles experience.
>>
>> John's resentment seemed to peak in the early 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970 album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing I've ever done."
>>
>> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John into such an angry person.

He always was the slightly bolshie antagonistic member, right from the
very early days. And probably to a degree since childhood.

Just became more extreme as 'time moved on'.

geoff

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 7:11:41 PM UTC-8, geoff wrote:
> >On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:55:02 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> >> According to May Pang, when Apple representative Tony King met her and John in Los Angeles, John gave Tony a tape of his new record "Mind Games" and asked him for advice. He wanted to know how Tony thought he should promote the album.
> >>
> >> King hesitated, then told John that he needed to "Let people know that you're okay." John needed to abandon the angry persona he had been projecting in interviews for some years and convey to the public that he was happy and healthy.
> >>
> >> In his early-to-middle-period Beatles interviews, Lennon was humorous, witty, and sometimes irreverent. By the late 1960s and particularly the 1970s, something had changed. Lennon became resentful of his fellow Beatles and of seemingly the whole Beatles experience.
> >>
> >> John's resentment seemed to peak in the early 1970s -- in spite of his claim that his 1970 album "Plastic Ono Band" was "the best thing I've ever done."
> >>
> >> I'm looking for theories as to what had transformed John into such an angry person.
> He always was the slightly bolshie antagonistic member, right from the
> very early days. And probably to a degree since childhood.
>
> Just became more extreme as 'time moved on'.
>
> geoff

He was always provocative (e.g., doing impressions of Hitler before German audiences), but the character of his interviews changed post-LSD and Yoko.

Lennon was proud of his Beatles work when Yoko wasn't around. For example, during his guest DJ gig in 1974, he played the Stones' and Beatles versions of "I Wanna Be Your Man" back-to-back to demonstrate the superiority of the Beatles' version. On that same occasion, he played solo hits by McCartney and Harrison.

Yet when he was back with Yoko, his seeming resentment towards the Beatles was back. He dismissed much of it as "rubbish" that had not been recorded properly; claimed his solo stuff held its own against his Beatles songs; said that a Beatles reunion would be "boring"; and claimed that McCartney had subconsciously sought to "sabotage" his (Lennon's) work.