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 by: Pamela Brown - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 21:43 UTC

On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:54:31 AM UTC-6, rof...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
>
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> .. Maybe so, for my up till now personal history of 7 decades story (born in 1957) ...
>
> This explains the chief X involved.
>
> Still, most people seem to be or behave undead.
>
> If mentioning Dag Hammarskjold, JFK or RFK, for examples. People just look surprised, and maybe adding an ... Ehh ...
>
>
> Regards
> LeoK
> 4 January, 2018
I agree that it looks like Bob is involved in some sort of experiment. I think it has been going on since he went to NYC in 1961. I don't know to what extent he got involved willingly or if he is a ultimately also a victim.

I am starting to see the possibility that something like MK-ULTRA was involved. A new book "Poisoner in Chief" adds definition to what we know about Sydney Gottlieb, who had no conscience when it came to using innocent people as guinea pigs for his mind-control schemes.

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 by: LeoK - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 22:51 UTC

> Sunday 28 January 2024 kl. 22:43:39 UTC+1 Pamela Brown wrote:
>
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> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:54:31 AM UTC-6, rof...@gmail.com wrote:
> > ...
> >
> >
> > .. Maybe so, for my up till now personal history of 7 decades story (born in 1957) ...
> >
> > This explains the chief X involved.
> >
> > Still, most people seem to be or behave undead.
> >
> > If mentioning Dag Hammarskjold, JFK or RFK, for examples. People just look surprised, and maybe adding an ... Ehh ...
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > LeoK
> > 4 January, 2018
> >
>
>
> I agree that it looks like Bob is involved in some sort of experiment. I think it has been going on since he went to NYC in 1961. I don't know to what extent he got involved willingly or if he is a ultimately also a victim.
>
> I am starting to see the possibility that something like MK-ULTRA was involved. A new book "Poisoner in Chief" adds definition to what we know about Sydney Gottlieb, who had no conscience when it came to using innocent people as guinea pigs for his mind-control schemes.

Maybe, something lika that...

And sometimes a most intricate and complicated life affecting "story" with severe parts of crimes may act like a hallucinatory drug on ppl who reacts on crimes.

Maybe OP 57/68 is one such deliberate "drug"?

Regards
LeoK
January 28, 2024

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 by: LeoK - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 23:03 UTC

> Sunday 28 January 2024 kl. 22:43:39 UTC+1 Pamela Brown wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:54:31 AM UTC-6, rof...@gmail.com wrote:
> > ...
> >
> >
> > .. Maybe so, for my up till now personal history of 7 decades story (born in 1957) ...
> >
> > This explains the chief X involved.
> >
> > Still, most people seem to be or behave undead.
> >
> > If mentioning Dag Hammarskjold, JFK or RFK, for examples. People just look surprised, and maybe adding an ... Ehh ...
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > LeoK
> > 4 January, 2018
> >
>
>
> I agree that it looks like Bob is involved in some sort of experiment. I think it has been going on since he went to NYC in 1961. I don't know to what extent he got involved willingly or if he is a ultimately also a victim.
>
> I am starting to see the possibility that something like MK-ULTRA was involved. A new book "Poisoner in Chief" adds definition to what we know about Sydney Gottlieb, who had no conscience when it came to using innocent people as guinea pigs for his mind-control schemes.

Maybe, something like that...

And sometimes a most intricate and complicated life affecting "story" with severe parts of crimes may act like a hallucinatory drug on ppl who reacts on crimes.

Maybe OP 57/68 is one such deliberate "drug"?

Regards
LeoK
January 29, 2024

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 by: LeoK - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 23:15 UTC

> Sunday 28 January 2024 kl. 22:43:39 UTC+1 Pamela Brown wrote:
>
>
> > On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:54:31 AM UTC-6, rof...@gmail..com wrote:
> > ...
> >
> >
> > .. Maybe so, for my up till now personal history of 7 decades story (born in 1957) ...
> >
> > This explains the chief X involved.
> >
> > Still, most people seem to be or behave undead.
> >
> > If mentioning Dag Hammarskjold, JFK or RFK, for examples. People just look surprised, and maybe adding an ... Ehh ...
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > LeoK
> > 4 January, 2018
> >
>
>
> I agree that it looks like Bob is involved in some sort of experiment. I think it has been going on since he went to NYC in 1961. I don't know to what extent he got involved willingly or if he is a ultimately also a victim.
>
> I am starting to see the possibility that something like MK-ULTRA was involved. A new book "Poisoner in Chief" adds definition to what we know about Sydney Gottlieb, who had no conscience when it came to using innocent people as guinea pigs for his mind-control schemes.

Maybe, something like that...

And sometimes a most intricate and complicated life affecting "story" with severe parts of crimes may act like a hallucinatory drug on ppl who reacts on crimes.

Maybe OP 57/68 is one such deliberate "drug"?

Regards
LeoK
January 29, 2024

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 by: LeoK - Sat, 10 Feb 2024 06:31 UTC

> Monday 29 January 2024 kl. 00:15:33 UTC+1 LeoK wrote:
>
> > Sunday 28 January 2024 kl. 22:43:39 UTC+1 Pamela Brown wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:54:31 AM UTC-6, rof...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > .. Maybe so, for my up till now personal history of 7 decades story (born in 1957) ...
> > >
> > > This explains the chief X involved.
> > >
> > > Still, most people seem to be or behave undead.
> > >
> > > If mentioning Dag Hammarskjold, JFK or RFK, for example. People just look surprised, and maybe add an ... Ehh ...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > LeoK
> > > 4 January, 2018
> >
> >
> > I agree that it looks like Bob is involved in some sort of experiment. I think it has been going on since he went to NYC in 1961. I don't know to what extent he got involved willingly or if he is a ultimately also a victim.
> >
> > I am starting to see the possibility that something like MK-ULTRA was involved. A new book "Poisoner in Chief" adds definition to what we know about Sydney Gottlieb, who had no conscience when it came to using innocent people as guinea pigs for his mind-control schemes.
>
> Maybe, something like that...
>
> And sometimes a most intricate and complicated life affecting "story" with severe parts of crimes may act like a hallucinatory drug on ppl who reacts on crimes.
>
> Maybe OP 57/68 is one such deliberate "drug"?
>
> Regards
> LeoK
> January 29, 2024

It also looks like I've been wiretaped all my life, since my parents, as in the beginning working for Pentagon/ CIA reporting misuse of SWE mining of own uranium ore, chose to act like Russian spies in SWE at about 1959. And when my mother divorced and got custody of me and my sister she probably accepted this "Russian game show". The overall CIA/ SWE surveillance joint job now probably was to change the steady political left wing attitude in SWE since the left wing had been seated in majority government positions for about 20 years in a row at about 1965. -Hence the wiretaping procedure and the following splitting of core families and separating on left and right wing attitudes.

That our own surveillance choose to join the CIA, which has a story of right wing advocacy and such strategic jobs, is a bit mysterious. Though the answer here lies in the overall OP 57/68 psychological explanations given earlier here in this thread, The dice...

And now it looks like our country is some type of USA copy. And no one seems to care about how this happened. Everyone, almost everyone, have become changed in their psyche partly due to methods like wiretaping and the covert spread of this information among the public of this country, mainly by police and surveillance fags for now over 50-60 years.

Everyone here is now under the influence of covert misuse of tech and mental OP 57/68 know how. And all this began in the States, which had a surveillance, CIA, and their time and research related advantage. It's rather easy to conclude with just an open and a slight insider positioned mind.

Regards
LeoK
February 10, 2024

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 by: LeoK - Sun, 11 Feb 2024 04:51 UTC

Saturday 10 February 2024 kl. 07:31:39 UTC+1 LeoK wrote:

> It also looks like I've been wiretaped all my life, since my parents, as in the beginning working for Pentagon/ CIA reporting misuse of SWE mining of own uranium ore, chose to act like Russian spies in SWE at about 1959. And when my mother divorced and got custody of me and my sister she probably accepted this "Russian game show". The overall CIA/ SWE surveillance joint job now probably was to change the steady political left wing attitude in SWE since the left wing had been seated in majority government positions for about 20 years in a row at about 1965. -Hence the wiretaping procedure and the following splitting of core families and separating on left and right wing attitudes.
>
> That our own surveillance team chose to join the CIA, which has a story of right wing advocacy and such strategic jobs, is a bit mysterious. Though the answer here lies in the overall OP 57/68 psychological explanations given earlier here in this thread, The dice...
>
> And now it looks like our country is some type of USA copy. And no one seems to care about how this happened. Everyone, almost everyone, have become changed in their psyche partly due to methods like wiretaping and the covert spread of this information among the public of this country, mainly by police and surveillance fags for now over 50-60 years.
>
> Everyone here is now under the influence of covert misuse of tech and mental OP 57/68 know how. And all this began in the States, which had a surveillance, CIA, and their time and research related advantage. It's rather easy to conclude with just an open and a slight insider positioned mind.
>
> Regards
> LeoK
> February 10, 2024

The coming of my parents to SWE in 1953 maybe not had such importance of reporting, misuse of SWE mining of own uranium, for the US government; since the Pentagon chose to hand over some Kg of weapon uranium to the SWE military already at about 1955. -Hence my parents maybe, from the beginning, had another overall mission in SWE, at least for the US concern. Maybe this US/ SWE1953-1955 maneuver had a thought of stationing US CIA surveillance staff and informers in our capital and bigger cities. -To swamp SWE with CIA right wing advocators and such strategic job personnel.

The political situation for the US right wing was a bit annoying concerning SWE that had had a left wing all time since 1936. -If one reasons of how the McCarthy period (1947-1957) in the US had transformed the USA general attitude for any left wing politics. Both in the States and in other Western World countries. -So the general US idea concerning SWE in 1953-1955 could have been to turn the SWE general left wing attitude to a more McCarthy friendly attitude. And obviously in 1976, after 40 years in a row of left wing political constant governmental power in SWE, the left wing spell was broken with a new right wing election success. Maybe this change was an act of the CIA and our own surveillance joint job?

If so, no wonder that when being some type of surveillance (& military?) chess piece, I have been constantly wiretaped, harassed, mutilated and brainwashed for over 50 years.

Regards
LeoK
February 11, 2024

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