Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
as this one on alt.religion.druid .

(Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution
probably into multiple species, and aliens if any in
my very large region will become part of human
species group after the evolution.)

Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

David Dalton wrote:

>Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .

You could self-publish on Amazon, then it would be on-topic.

Brian

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:46:00 PM UTC+10, Default User wrote:
> David Dalton wrote:
>
> >Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> You could self-publish on Amazon, then it would be on-topic.
>
Have you no pity for the poor innocents who might buy it by accident?

On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 05:46:00 UTC+1, Default User wrote:
> David Dalton wrote:
>
> >Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> You could self-publish on Amazon, then it would be on-topic.

Discussing books you wrote yourself is mostly deprecated
here. Unless someone else here has read your book.
It's not likely in this case.

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 10:54:41 PM UTC+10, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 05:46:00 UTC+1, Default User wrote:
> > David Dalton wrote:
> >
> > >Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> > You could self-publish on Amazon, then it would be on-topic.
> Discussing books you wrote yourself is mostly deprecated
> here. Unless someone else here has read your book.
> It's not likely in this case.

Do we have any psychiatrists in the group?

trying a second time...

On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
(in article<dalton-692825.19022517062023@news.eternal-september.org>):

> Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
> as this one on alt.religion.druid .

Doubt it.
>
>
> (Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution

please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something which
does not, and cannot, exist.

>
> probably into multiple species,

Okay... you have no understanding of basic biology.

> and aliens if any in
> my very large region will become part of human
> species group after the evolution.)

That’s not how evolution works.

> Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
Oh, you’re sorry, alright.

On Jun 18, 2023, Default User wrote
(in article <u6m262$1iu7i$1@dont-email.me>):

> David Dalton wrote:
>
> > Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
>
> You could self-publish on Amazon, then it would be on-topic.
>
> Brian

only if you _really_ stretch the definition of ‘_science_' fiction. Hint:
there’s more science in Treknobabble, and even in Star Wars, than in his
stuff.

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 10:11:26 AM UTC-4, WolfFan wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2023, Default User wrote
> (in article <u6m262$1iu7i$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > David Dalton wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> >
> > You could self-publish on Amazon, then it would be on-topic.
> >
> > Brian
> only if you _really_ stretch the definition of ‘_science_' fiction. Hint:
> there’s more science in Treknobabble, and even in Star Wars, than in his
> stuff.

If one uses SF for "speculative fiction," or SF&F, with the second F for fantasy,
D Dalton's babblings might qualify. Not if he believes they are real however.

--
Kevin R

On 6/18/23 07:07, WolfFan wrote:
> trying a second time...
>
> On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
> (in article<dalton-692825.19022517062023@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
>> as this one on alt.religion.druid .
>
> Doubt it.
>>
>>
>> (Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution
>
> please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something which
> does not, and cannot, exist.
>
>>
>> probably into multiple species,
>
> Okay... you have no understanding of basic biology.
>
>> and aliens if any in
>> my very large region will become part of human
>> species group after the evolution.)
>
> That’s not how evolution works.
>
>> Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> Oh, you’re sorry, alright.
>
Some of you guys are particularly nasty today. I haven't noticed the OP
being particularly obnoxious before. What gives?

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On Jun 18, 2023, Kevrob wrote
(in article<b9828082-8482-479c-b83f-c8b1405f45c8n@googlegroups.com>):

> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 10:11:26 AM UTC-4, WolfFan wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 2023, Default User wrote
> > (in article <u6m262$1iu7i$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > > David Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> > >
> > > You could self-publish on Amazon, then it would be on-topic.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > only if you _really_ stretch the definition of ‘_science_' fiction. Hint:
> > there’s more science in Treknobabble, and even in Star Wars, than in his
> > stuff.
>
> If one uses SF for "speculative fiction," or SF&F, with the second F for
> fantasy,
> D Dalton's babblings might qualify. Not if he believes they are real however.

There’smore science in The Lord of the Rings than in his babbling.

On Jun 18, 2023, BCFD36 wrote
(in article <u6nndc$1o4ts$2@dont-email.me>):

> On 6/18/23 07:07, WolfFan wrote:
> > trying a second time...
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
> > (in article<dalton-692825.19022517062023@news.eternal-september.org>):
> >
> > > Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
> > > as this one on alt.religion.druid .
> >
> > Doubt it.
> > >
> > >
> > > (Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution
> >
> > please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something
> > which
> > does not, and cannot, exist.
> >
> > >
> > > probably into multiple species,
> >
> > Okay... you have no understanding of basic biology.
> >
> > > and aliens if any in
> > > my very large region will become part of human
> > > species group after the evolution.)
> >
> > That’s not how evolution works.
> >
> > > Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> > Oh, you’re sorry, alright.
> Some of you guys are particularly nasty today. I haven't noticed the OP
> being particularly obnoxious before. What gives?

Among other things, he posted his crap to talk.origins... and immediately
stood out as being particularly stupid, even when compared to typical
creationist cretins.

Now, if he would just open a bloody book and read up on basic biology he
might not come off as being such a total moron. Then again, perhaps this is
him on a good day...

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:35:13 -0400, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 18, 2023, BCFD36 wrote
>(in article <u6nndc$1o4ts$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 6/18/23 07:07, WolfFan wrote:
>> > trying a second time...
>> >
>> > On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
>> > (in article<dalton-692825.19022517062023@news.eternal-september.org>):
>> >
>> > > Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
>> > > as this one on alt.religion.druid .
>> >
>> > Doubt it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > (Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution
>> >
>> > please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something
>> > which
>> > does not, and cannot, exist.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > probably into multiple species,
>> >
>> > Okay... you have no understanding of basic biology.
>> >
>> > > and aliens if any in
>> > > my very large region will become part of human
>> > > species group after the evolution.)
>> >
>> > That’s not how evolution works.
>> >
>> > > Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
>> > Oh, you’re sorry, alright.
>> Some of you guys are particularly nasty today. I haven't noticed the OP
>> being particularly obnoxious before. What gives?
>
>Among other things, he posted his crap to talk.origins... and immediately
>stood out as being particularly stupid, even when compared to typical
>creationist cretins.
>
>Now, if he would just open a bloody book and read up on basic biology he
>might not come off as being such a total moron. Then again, perhaps this is
>him on a good day...

Since his original question, IIRC, showed that he hadn't bothered to
open the Bible to find his answer (and it is there, BTW -- that is,
the answer to the question he asked), why should we expect him to open
/any/ book on /any/ topic?
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On 6/19/2023 9:57 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:35:13 -0400, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 18, 2023, BCFD36 wrote
>> (in article <u6nndc$1o4ts$2@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>> On 6/18/23 07:07, WolfFan wrote:
>>>> trying a second time...
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
>>>> (in article<dalton-692825.19022517062023@news.eternal-september.org>):
>>>>
>>>>> Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
>>>>> as this one on alt.religion.druid .
>>>>
>>>> Doubt it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution
>>>>
>>>> please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something
>>>> which
>>>> does not, and cannot, exist.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> probably into multiple species,
>>>>
>>>> Okay... you have no understanding of basic biology.
>>>>
>>>>> and aliens if any in
>>>>> my very large region will become part of human
>>>>> species group after the evolution.)
>>>>
>>>> That’s not how evolution works.
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
>>>> Oh, you’re sorry, alright.
>>> Some of you guys are particularly nasty today. I haven't noticed the OP
>>> being particularly obnoxious before. What gives?
>>
>> Among other things, he posted his crap to talk.origins... and immediately
>> stood out as being particularly stupid, even when compared to typical
>> creationist cretins.
>>
>> Now, if he would just open a bloody book and read up on basic biology he
>> might not come off as being such a total moron. Then again, perhaps this is
>> him on a good day...
>
> Since his original question, IIRC, showed that he hadn't bothered to
> open the Bible to find his answer (and it is there, BTW -- that is,
> the answer to the question he asked), why should we expect him to open
> /any/ book on /any/ topic?

Books are evil. They teach you things, make you think and force you to
acknowledge reality. All good reasons why people burn them. *nods*

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 20:54:25 UTC+1, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 6/18/23 07:07, WolfFan wrote:
> > trying a second time...
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
> > (in article<dalton-692825....@news.eternal-september.org>):
> >
> >> Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
> >> as this one on alt.religion.druid .
> >
> > Doubt it.
> >>
> >>
> >> (Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution
> >
> > please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something which
> > does not, and cannot, exist.
> >
> >>
> >> probably into multiple species,
> >
> > Okay... you have no understanding of basic biology.
> >
> >> and aliens if any in
> >> my very large region will become part of human
> >> species group after the evolution.)
> >
> > That’s not how evolution works.
> >
> >> Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
> > Oh, you’re sorry, alright.
> >
> Some of you guys are particularly nasty today. I haven't noticed the OP
> being particularly obnoxious before. What gives?

David is mentally ill, and interacting with him
is unlikely to have favourable consequences.

On Jun 18, 2023, WolfFan wrote
(in article<0001HW.2A3F47260102B88D7000057C638F@news.supernews.com>):

> please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something which
> does not, and cannot, exist.

You can consider it ongoing creation if you wish.

My basic premise is that numerous collaborators including
my eight main deities first do higher dimensional manipulation
of mitochondrial DNA, RNA, and nuclear DNA, and also
conversion of some cells into early stem cell state where
needed for transformation (including of current adults)
and/or healing. Then my top deity Goddess will set
the physical transformation in motion.

However in my latest attempt the 55 alien refugee species
(each to be merged into one of 55 human species in human
species group) are not based on DNA but on other
information molecules, which might have to be translated
into DNA (or perhaps the resultant species will be
based on something other than DNA, but I doubt that).

It could be that something like this did happen before
in past hominid evolution(s).

And, as some readers know, I have failed many times
before, and might not have found the “secret chord”,
to quote Leonard Cohen, yet. But perhaps this will
at least serve to amuse.

And indeed, I could write a fictional book based on
my attempts, and did write some science fiction
when I was in high school over 40 years ago.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Jun 20, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
(in article<15eb41ed-31d2-492a-8644-8544b4d8c594n@googlegroups.com>):

> David is mentally ill, and interacting with him
> is unlikely to have favourable consequences.

I have bipolar type 1 disorder with occasional psychosis,
but I am certainly not continuously mentally ill. But I
do allow myself to be more speculative online than
I am in my interactions with others, including family
and friends, offline. However, as noted on my Salmon
on the Thorns webpage, I do have some evidence that
I am the latest in a long line of avatar types similar
to and including Taliesin, Quetzalcoatl, Tsangyang
Gyatso, Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Rama, Jacob, and Moses
(and I claim and divine some cetacean avatar types).

This is not based on any delusional thinking, but on
analysis of patterns and individual events in my mystic
cycles with comparison to past figures. It is also
not based on voices in my head, which I do not have
(and that is one reason I say that Mohammed was
not an avatar type, but a Prophet/Guru/Missionary/Founder
type). Anyway, given that I am an avatar type, I
expect that there should be some magick associated
with me, but perhaps I will have to rely on my writing,
backed by my similarity to past figures.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
(in article<dalton-692825.19022517062023@news.eternal-september.org>):

> Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
> as this one on alt.religion.druid .

That attempt failed, and my latest attempt is described on
the thread “Silver Bough thumb, once again” also on
alt.religion.druid, in which I hope that early waxing
crescent will prove auspicious for new beginnings.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 3:38:02 PM UTC+10, David Dalton wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> (in article<15eb41ed-31d2-492a...@googlegroups.com>):
> > David is mentally ill, and interacting with him
> > is unlikely to have favourable consequences.
> I have bipolar type 1 disorder with occasional psychosis,
> but I am certainly not continuously mentally ill.

I'm sure that if you show your writings to your therapist they'll agree with you

On Jun 22, 2023, Hamish Laws wrote
(in article<486ea691-74c5-4206-b7fb-bb764554bb92n@googlegroups.com>):

> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 3:38:02 PM UTC+10, David Dalton wrote:
> > On Jun 20, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> > (in article<15eb41ed-31d2-492a...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > David is mentally ill, and interacting with him
> > > is unlikely to have favourable consequences.
> > I have bipolar type 1 disorder with occasional psychosis,
> > but I am certainly not continuously mentally ill.
>
> I'm sure that if you show your writings to your therapist they'll agree with
> you

I gave my Salmon on the Thorns URL to my psychiatrist
at the start of our relationship, but I don’t know if he
looked at it. He doesn’t seemed concerned with
my religious beliefs/magical thinking but more with
my sleep, energy, mood, relations with my family
and friends, exercise, social activity such as going
out to live music, any progress in my career, and
my medication blood levels and liver function (since
the divalproex can affect that, as the lithium did
affect my kidneys before that).

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Jun 22, 2023, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2A4500DD003470B7700007D2B38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

> On Jun 22, 2023, Hamish Laws wrote
> (in article<486ea691-74c5-4206-b7fb-bb764554bb92n@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 3:38:02 PM UTC+10, David Dalton wrote:
> > > On Jun 20, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> > > (in article<15eb41ed-31d2-492a...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > David is mentally ill, and interacting with him
> > > > is unlikely to have favourable consequences.
> > > I have bipolar type 1 disorder with occasional psychosis,
> > > but I am certainly not continuously mentally ill.
> >
> > I'm sure that if you show your writings to your therapist they'll agree with
> > you
>
> I gave my Salmon on the Thorns URL to my psychiatrist
> at the start of our relationship, but I don’t know if he
> looked at it. He doesn’t seemed concerned with
> my religious beliefs/magical thinking but more with
> my sleep, energy, mood, relations with my family
> and friends, exercise, social activity such as going
> out to live music, any progress in my career, and
> my medication blood levels and liver function (since
> the divalproex can affect that, as the lithium did
> affect my kidneys before that).

Also many in mainstream religions have beliefs just as
bizarre as mine, but they have safety in numbers.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 01:37:28 -0230, David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 22, 2023, David Dalton wrote
>(in article<0001HW.2A4500DD003470B7700007D2B38F@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> On Jun 22, 2023, Hamish Laws wrote
>> (in article<486ea691-74c5-4206-b7fb-bb764554bb92n@googlegroups.com>):
>>
>> > On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 3:38:02?PM UTC+10, David Dalton wrote:
>> > > On Jun 20, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
>> > > (in article<15eb41ed-31d2-492a...@googlegroups.com>):
>> > > > David is mentally ill, and interacting with him
>> > > > is unlikely to have favourable consequences.
>> > > I have bipolar type 1 disorder with occasional psychosis,
>> > > but I am certainly not continuously mentally ill.
>> >
>> > I'm sure that if you show your writings to your therapist they'll agree with
>> > you
>>
>> I gave my Salmon on the Thorns URL to my psychiatrist
>> at the start of our relationship, but I don’t know if he
>> looked at it. He doesn’t seemed concerned with
>> my religious beliefs/magical thinking but more with
>> my sleep, energy, mood, relations with my family
>> and friends, exercise, social activity such as going
>> out to live music, any progress in my career, and
>> my medication blood levels and liver function (since
>> the divalproex can affect that, as the lithium did
>> affect my kidneys before that).
>
>Also many in mainstream religions have beliefs just as
>bizarre as mine, but they have safety in numbers.

Now /there/ you have a point.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On 6/20/23 15:28, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Sunday, 18 June 2023 at 20:54:25 UTC+1, BCFD36 wrote:
>> On 6/18/23 07:07, WolfFan wrote:
>>> trying a second time...
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2023, David Dalton wrote
>>> (in article<dalton-692825....@news.eternal-september.org>):
>>>
>>>> Some may be interested in my thread by the same name
>>>> as this one on alt.religion.druid .
>>>
>>> Doubt it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Basically I am attempting to instigate sudden evolution
>>>
>>> please define ’sudden evolution’. I suspect that you mean something which
>>> does not, and cannot, exist.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> probably into multiple species,
>>>
>>> Okay... you have no understanding of basic biology.
>>>
>>>> and aliens if any in
>>>> my very large region will become part of human
>>>> species group after the evolution.)
>>>
>>> That’s not how evolution works.
>>>
>>>> Sorry for this being off-topic on rec.arts.sf.written .
>>> Oh, you’re sorry, alright.
>>>
>> Some of you guys are particularly nasty today. I haven't noticed the OP
>> being particularly obnoxious before. What gives?
>
> David is mentally ill, and interacting with him
> is unlikely to have favourable consequences.

For just a short second, I thought you meant me. I've been told I am
crazy, and mental, but never mentally ill.

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)