xkcd: Siphon
https://xkcd.com/2775/

Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.

Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon

Lynn

If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.

> xkcd: Siphon
> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>
> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>
> Explained at:
> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>
> Lynn
>

Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.

On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>
>> xkcd: Siphon
>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>>
>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>>
>> Explained at:
>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>
> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.

Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
bottom up.

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:26:33 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:
> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> > If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> >
> >> xkcd: Siphon
> >> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> >>
> >> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> >>
> >> Explained at:
> >> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >>
> >
> > Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> > out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> > Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> bottom up.
>
> --
> John W. Kennedy
> Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
> King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

O the embarrassment.

On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> > If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> >
> >> xkcd: Siphon
> >> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> >>
> >> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> >>
> >> Explained at:
> >> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >>
> >
> > Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> > out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> > Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> bottom up.

This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
Maybe test it on a spare.

On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
(in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):

> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> > On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> > > If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> > >
> > > > xkcd: Siphon
> > > > https://xkcd.com/2775/
> > > >
> > > > Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> > > >
> > > > Explained at:
> > > > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> > > >
> > > > Lynn
> > >
> > > Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> > > out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> > > Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> > Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> > bottom up.
>
> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> Maybe test it on a spare.

And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
anyway.

On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>>>>
>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
>>> bottom up.
>>
>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
>> Maybe test it on a spare.
>
> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> anyway.

Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
important to the world. He just gets things done.

Lynn

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
>> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
>>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>>>>>
>>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
>>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
>>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
>>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
>>>> bottom up.
>>>
>>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
>>> Maybe test it on a spare.
>>
>> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
>> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
>> anyway.
>
>Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
>scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

He's a middling businessman who didn't
start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.

(He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).

He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
but bad business decisions).

[*] And replaced by a different jerk.

On 5/15/2023 2:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>>> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
>>> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
>>>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
>>>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
>>>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
>>>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
>>>>> bottom up.
>>>>
>>>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
>>>> Maybe test it on a spare.
>>>
>>> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
>>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
>>> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
>> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
>
> He's a middling businessman who didn't
> start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
> that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
> when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.
>
> (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
> renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).
>
> He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
> but bad business decisions).
>
> [*] And replaced by a different jerk.

Jealous much ?

Lynn

On 5/15/2023 2:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>>> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
>>> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
>>>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
>>>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
>>>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
>>>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
>>>>> bottom up.
>>>>
>>>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
>>>> Maybe test it on a spare.
>>>
>>> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
>>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
>>> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
>> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
>
> He's a middling businessman who didn't
> start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
> that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
> when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.
>
> (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
> renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).
>
> He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
> but bad business decisions).
>
> [*] And replaced by a different jerk.

BTW, Musk owns X.com (X Corp) and has merged Twitter into it. Twitter
no longer exists.
https://slate.com/technology/2023/04/twitter-inc-x-corp-elon-musk-x-nevada.html

Lynn

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> > On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> > (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
> >
> >> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> >>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> >>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> >>>>
> >>>>> xkcd: Siphon
> >>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Explained at:
> >>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lynn
> >>>>
> >>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> >>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> >>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> >>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> >>> bottom up.
> >>
> >> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> >> Maybe test it on a spare.
> >
> > And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> > is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
> > patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> > anyway.
> Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
> important to the world. He just gets things done.
>
he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)

as for just getting things done, some of his companies (Tesla and Space-X) have gotten things done but how much of that is due to Musk and how much despite him is open to question
Certainly space-x owes a lot to Tom Mueller and Gwynne Shotwell and, with Musk's time being spread between Tesla, Space-X, Twitter and various other companies it's hard to believe that he's playing a huge role in the actual design in any of them (apart from giving instructions in twitter to make his posts more visible)
The lack of insight shown by his decisions at twitter certainly give credence to the stories from space-x employees that there are levels there with the entire function of keeping Musk away from the people actually doing the work.

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 5:22:15 AM UTC+10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> >> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> >> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> >>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> >>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
> >>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Explained at:
> >>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> >>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> >>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> >>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> >>>> bottom up.
> >>>
> >>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> >>> Maybe test it on a spare.
> >>
> >> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> >> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
> >> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> >> anyway.
> >
> >Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> >scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
> He's a middling businessman who didn't
> start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x).

He did start Space-X and has started X.com, Zip2, the Boring Company (although apparently only to distract from public transport) and neuralink

Space-X is a big deal but it's certainly true that most of his success has come from Tesla and the merger that brought paypal into x.com so the vast majority of his success has come from buying in.

> The idea that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole.

and you can tell just how much trust to put into his titles by the grounds that as part of settling multiple lawsuits he held out to be able to claim he was a founder of Tesla when he wasn't there at the start.

> If he hadn't gotten lucky
> when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.
>
> (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
> renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).
>
> He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
> but bad business decisions).
>
> [*] And replaced by a different jerk.

On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>> > On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
>> > (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
>> >
>> >> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>> >>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
>> >>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> xkcd: Siphon
>> >>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Explained at:
>> >>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lynn
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
>> >>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
>> >>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
>> >>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
>> >>> bottom up.
>> >>
>> >> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
>> >> Maybe test it on a spare.
>> >
>> > And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
>> > is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
>> > patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
>> > anyway.
>> Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
>> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
>> important to the world. He just gets things done.
>>
> he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)

Exactly how is it that you consider him not a scientist? I seem to remember
a little 4 minute experiment he did recently.

You've shown that you must have an extremely warped view of science
and scientists in the past - you may remember all your posts
questioning my credentials as a scientist. But you never stated
your definition of scientist. Could you do so, and then give your
evidence that Musk is not a scientist?

Chris

> as for just getting things done, some of his companies (Tesla and Space-X) have gotten things done but how much of that is due to Musk and how much despite him is open to question
> Certainly space-x owes a lot to Tom Mueller and Gwynne Shotwell and, with Musk's time being spread between Tesla, Space-X, Twitter and various other companies it's hard to believe that he's playing a huge role in the actual design in any of them (apart from giving instructions in twitter to make his posts more visible)
> The lack of insight shown by his decisions at twitter certainly give credence to the stories from space-x employees that there are levels there with the entire function of keeping Musk away from the people actually doing the work.

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:36:07 PM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> >> > On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> >> > (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
> >> >
> >> >> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> >> >>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> >> >>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> xkcd: Siphon
> >> >>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Explained at:
> >> >>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Lynn
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> >> >>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> >> >>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> >> >>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> >> >>> bottom up.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> >> >> Maybe test it on a spare.
> >> >
> >> > And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> >> > is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
> >> > patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> >> > anyway.
> >> Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> >> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
> >> important to the world. He just gets things done.
> >>
> > he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)
> Exactly how is it that you consider him not a scientist?

He's never worked doing experimental design, developing scientific theories etc
His professional experience is
- coding an online directory
- starting an online bank (and merging with another on that had a huge product)
- buying into a car manufacturing company and working in management
- starting various other companies and working in management while other people do the technical bits

Sure with a physics degree he probably has more knowledge of science than most other managers but that doesn't make him a scientist
I've got various friends who got science degrees but have worked as coders, administrators etc
they aren't scientists either
(I've got a B.Eng & B.Sc in computer science and maths, I'm not an engineer and I'm not a scientist because I've never done the work in either of them fields, my career is largely writing business applications)

> I seem to remember a little 4 minute experiment he did recently.

Yeah, although I'd say rocket design is much more engineering than science and I don't believe that Musk has enough input into the designs to be recognised as part of the engineering team there
>
> You've shown that you must have an extremely warped view of science
> and scientists in the past - you may remember all your posts
> questioning my credentials as a scientist.

I think you have me confused with somebody else, possibly Lynn.
I don't think I've ever questioned your credentials (I may have asked some stupid questions)

>But you never stated
> your definition of scientist. Could you do so, and then give your
> evidence that Musk is not a scientist?

On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:36:07 PM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
>> On 2023-05-16, Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:05:22 AM UTC+10, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>> >> > On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
>> >> > (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>> >> >>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
>> >> >>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> xkcd: Siphon
>> >> >>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Explained at:
>> >> >>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Lynn
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
>> >> >>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
>> >> >>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
>> >> >>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
>> >> >>> bottom up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
>> >> >> Maybe test it on a spare.
>> >> >
>> >> > And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
>> >> > is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
>> >> > patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
>> >> > anyway.
>> >> Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
>> >> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date. He is incredibly
>> >> important to the world. He just gets things done.
>> >>
>> > he's neither a scientist or an engineer (he apparently has a BA with a major in Physics but an undergraduate degree doesn't make you a scientist)
>> Exactly how is it that you consider him not a scientist?
>
> He's never worked doing experimental design, developing scientific theories etc
> His professional experience is
> - coding an online directory
> - starting an online bank (and merging with another on that had a huge product)
> - buying into a car manufacturing company and working in management
> - starting various other companies and working in management while other people do the technical bits
>
> Sure with a physics degree he probably has more knowledge of science than most other managers but that doesn't make him a scientist
> I've got various friends who got science degrees but have worked as coders, administrators etc
> they aren't scientists either
> (I've got a B.Eng & B.Sc in computer science and maths, I'm not an engineer and I'm not a scientist because I've never done the work in either of them fields, my career is largely writing business applications)
>
>> I seem to remember a little 4 minute experiment he did recently.
>
> Yeah, although I'd say rocket design is much more engineering than science and I don't believe that Musk has enough input into the designs to be recognised as part of the engineering team there

Why does he have to be part of the engineering team? The launch of
Starship was absolutely a scientific experiment and Musk was involved in the
design of the experiment (unless you really that Musk is a hands-off manager
that doesn't get involved in any decisions.) That fits your definition above.
Who would be the scientists designing that experiment if you are excluding
him?

>>
>> You've shown that you must have an extremely warped view of science
>> and scientists in the past - you may remember all your posts
>> questioning my credentials as a scientist.
>
> I think you have me confused with somebody else, possibly Lynn.
> I don't think I've ever questioned your credentials (I may have asked some stupid questions)

Was, for example, the attached a different Hamash?

Chris

Message-ID: <slrnogh7bo.e4d.alan@video.sabir.com>
On 2017-05-02, hamish.laws@gmail.com <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:37:27 PM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
>> On 2017-05-02, hamish.laws@gmail.com <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 1:54:21 AM UTC+10, Chris Buckley wrote:
>> >> http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Scientists-Are-Calling-for-NY-Times-Boycott-Over-11107895.php

....
>> >> Look, I am a scientist by any reasonable definition.
>> >
>> > Really, what do you do?
>>
>> Research in information retrieval.
>
> I'm not sure that actually counts as science.
>
>> PhD in Computer Science from Cornell.
>
> again probably not science (unless your research topic was something unusual for a Computer Science PhD)

The folks at Cornell would certainly disagree with your claim.

>>Published over 100 research articles, including in _Science_.
>
> what have you published on?
>
>> Been cited more than 20,000 times.
>
> Which only matters for the claim to be a scientist if what is being cited is science.
>
>> Served on multiple NSF panels evaluating research proposals for funding.
>
> Depends on what the panels are assessing and why you're there.
....

On Monday, 15 May 2023 at 20:44:27 UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/15/2023 2:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> >>> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> >>> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
> >>>
> >>>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> >>>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
> >>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Explained at:
> >>>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> >>>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> >>>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> >>>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> >>>>> bottom up.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> >>>> Maybe test it on a spare.
> >>>
> >>> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> >>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
> >>> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> >>> anyway.
> >>
> >> Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> >> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
> >
> > He's a middling businessman who didn't
> > start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
> > that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
> > when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.
> >
> > (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
> > renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).
> >
> > He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
> > but bad business decisions).
> >
> > [*] And replaced by a different jerk.
> BTW, Musk owns X.com (X Corp) and has merged Twitter into it. Twitter
> no longer exists.
>
> https://slate.com/technology/2023/04/twitter-inc-x-corp-elon-musk-x-nevada.html

So, the X.com that he used to own a piece of is now PayPal,
which he does not own. And which apparently has agreed to
sell the letter X back to him. Which makes PayPal now - richer.

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:22:15 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> >> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> >> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> >>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> >>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
> >>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Explained at:
> >>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> >>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> >>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> >>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> >>>> bottom up.
> >>>
> >>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> >>> Maybe test it on a spare.
> >>
> >> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> >> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
> >> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> >> anyway.
> >
> >Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> >scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
> He's a middling businessman who didn't
> start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
> that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
> when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.
>
> (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
> renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).
>
> He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
> but bad business decisions).

Exactly how has he 'destroyed' Twitter? Be specific. What are the Bad Things
that have happened?

Pt

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 2:01:39 PM UTC+10, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:22:15 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> > >> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> > >> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317...@googlegroups.com>):
> > >>
> > >>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> > >>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> > >>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
> > >>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Explained at:
> > >>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Lynn
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> > >>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> > >>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> > >>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> > >>>> bottom up.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> > >>> Maybe test it on a spare.
> > >>
> > >> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> > >> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if the
> > >> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> > >> anyway.
> > >
> > >Ah, the Luddite shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> > >scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
> > He's a middling businessman who didn't
> > start _any_ of his businesses (paypal, tesla, space-x). The idea
> > that he's "chief engineer" is hyperbole. If he hadn't gotten lucky
> > when his company (X.com) was merged with paypal, he'd be a footnote in history.
> >
> > (He was voted out of of the CEO position at X.com before it was
> > renamed to Paypal[*] by the board while on a vacation trip down under).
> >
> > He's also basically destroyed twitter (no great loss to the world,
> > but bad business decisions).
> Exactly how has he 'destroyed' Twitter? Be specific. What are the Bad Things
> that have happened?

Adding about $13 billion in debt to twitter (it had about $600million in debt before the takeover)
Removing verification of accounts, so now you can't tell if a post is actually from the celebrity or business that it claims to be from, as an example somebody paid for a checkmark under a company name and stated that they were making a medical treatment available for free (I think it was insulin)
Allowing right wing nutjobs back on after they had been permanently banned
Driving off massive amounts of advertisers because of potential reputational damage
Increased downtime
Broken search, including forcing no results for searches for a journalist who criticised Musk
Censoring the feed to Turkey because of threats from Erdoğan
Removing api access
Stating that they will remove inactive accounts, so dead people's accounts will be deleted...
Twiddling with the algorithm to boost Musk's penetration
The complete propaganda of the Twitter Files leaks
Musk attacking Twitter staff publicly...
Musk sacking people with no idea of what they did
Removal of support staff
Removal of api access making many services unworkable
Arbitrarily banning people, such as the Musk flight plan account which only published publicly availabl information
Missed the point that the main reason people are on twitter is because of other users who create the content
Introduced bugs that randomly unfollow people
Musky has pushed anti-soros conspiracy theories and stating that Soros wants to destroy civilisation 'Musk responded, “You assume they are good intentions. They are not. He wants to erode the very fabric of civilization. Soros hates humanity.”' see https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/business/elon-musk-george-soros/index.html
(see reputational damage for advertisers above)

Hows that for a start?

On May 15, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
(in article <u3ts8s$34adr$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> > On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
> > (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):
> >
> > > On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> > > > On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
> > > > > If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
> > > > >
> > > > > > xkcd: Siphon
> > > > > > https://xkcd.com/2775/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Explained at:
> > > > > > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lynn
> > > > >
> > > > > Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
> > > > > out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
> > > > > Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
> > > > Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
> > > > bottom up.
> > >
> > > This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
> > > Maybe test it on a spare.
> >
> > And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
> > is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if
> > the
> > patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
> > anyway.
>
> Ah, the Luddite

‘Luddite’? Moi? Surely not.

> shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.

that would be a nope. #1 scientist would probably be Hawking. #1 engineer
would be the guy at Space- who asctually did the work. (Hint: not the
Musketeer.)

> He is incredibly
> important to the world.

he is a useless waste of oxygen.
> He just gets things done.

Such as, oh, destroy Tweitter. (Which is a Good Thing(™))
>
>
> Lynn

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:33:27 PM UTC+10, WolfFan wrote:
> On May 15, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
> (in article <u3ts8s$34adr$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
> > scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
> that would be a nope. #1 scientist would probably be Hawking.

Dunno, most of Hawking's work was 20th century
I'm not sure he produced a great deal of revolutionary stuff in the 21st
(still better than most mind you but there's a lot of competition from a lot of fields to be best scientist)

On 5/17/2023 5:33 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> On May 15, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
> (in article <u3ts8s$34adr$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 5/15/2023 10:14 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>>> On May 15, 2023, Robert Carnegie wrote
>>> (in article<b752776e-a66b-4317-a461-9c0c767fe05fn@googlegroups.com>):
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:26:33 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/23 12:57 AM, Freezer wrote:
>>>>>> If I don't reply to this Lynn McGuire post, the terroists win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> xkcd: Siphon
>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2775/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, toilets still flush here in South Texas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2775:_Siphon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine the chaos if such contradictory physics could be "patched
>>>>>> out?" Ice stops floating. The Mpemba effect disappears. The
>>>>>> Leidenfrost effect. Non-Newtonian fluids. All just stopped.
>>>>> Ice stops floating? Everybody dies when the oceans freeze from the
>>>>> bottom up.
>>>>
>>>> This is why you let other planets install the patch first.
>>>> Maybe test it on a spare.
>>>
>>> And this is (one of) the real reason(s) why sending Elon Musk & Co. to Mars
>>> is a Good Idea(™): thgis way we have a spare to test patches on, and if
>>> the
>>> patch has problems, it’s not as if the Musketeer was of any actual use,
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Ah, the Luddite
>
> ‘Luddite’? Moi? Surely not.
>
>> shows his spots. Elon Musk is only the premier
>> scientist and engineer of the 21st century to date.
>
> that would be a nope. #1 scientist would probably be Hawking. #1 engineer
> would be the guy at Space- who asctually did the work. (Hint: not the
> Musketeer.)
>
>> He is incredibly
>> important to the world.
>
> he is a useless waste of oxygen.
>> He just gets things done.
>
> Such as, oh, destroy Tweitter. (Which is a Good Thing(™))
>>
>>
>> Lynn

Elon Musk is D. D. Harriman. No, really.

Lynn