On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 10:59:14 AM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
[snip]

> past view days.

*snort*

past FEW days!

--
Kevin R

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 12:34:24?PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 21:25:07 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:05:12 -0700, Paul S Person
>> ><pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Note that this works better if the plans are kept up-to-date. A plan
>> >>that starts "mobilize the Horse & Wagon Corps for transport" might not
>> >>make for a good briefing.
>> >
>> >Indeed - the Royal Canadian Mounted Police still maintain an
>> >impressive stable and breeding establishment (you probably saw some of
>> >them leading the British coronation) but the RCMP are a working police
>> >force who seldom use horses except in the extremely unusual situations
>> >where police cruisers can't go. (Like doing photo ops in parks)
>> I may be wrong, but I think a fair number of big city police
>> departments still have mounted officers. Nothing like a horse to
>> intimidate the average urban dweller. And chase them down, wherever
>> they may go. Without biting them, giving the horse an advantage over
>> the dog.
>>
>
>Threr are quite a few mounted units.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mounted_police_units
>
>> And doesn't British Royalty still enjoy the protection of the Horse
>> Guards?
>>
>> This is not to say that Canadian horses were slighted in the recent
>> coronation. It was, after all, their King who was being crowned.
>> --
>
>QEII rode a Canadian-bred mount which I just learned of in the
>past view days. On of the TV news shows did a bit on the Trooping
>the Colour parade. Charley 3 has one, too.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_(horse)
>
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/03/11/king-receives-new-horse-canadas-mounties-step-royal-tradition/
>
>Monarchs deserve 4 horses.
>One for each limb. [ :) ]

Ah. A /tradition/. Nothing more need be said (or sung).
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 09:34:16 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>And doesn't British Royalty still enjoy the protection of the Horse
>Guards?

Of course they do - I even saw the Horse Guards on parade when I was
in London in 2016.

>This is not to say that Canadian horses were slighted in the recent
>coronation. It was, after all, their King who was being crowned.

How anyone can feel slighted with 4 of their own bearing RCMP officers
leading the coronation horse parade is beyond me. Don't read anything
into the fact that the Royal Canadian Mint have said there will be no
Charles clins until 2024 - it's not a slight on Charles - they didn't
have a new image done by the coronation and it takes time to make and
engrave one then have it personally approved by the Crown - which is
one of the perks of being King or Queen - they get final approval on
their own images - it's not like American coins where George
Washington and others aren't able to approve their own images!

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 12:41:57 AM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 09:34:16 -0700, Paul S Person
> <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
> >And doesn't British Royalty still enjoy the protection of the Horse
> >Guards?
> Of course they do - I even saw the Horse Guards on parade when I was
> in London in 2016.
> >This is not to say that Canadian horses were slighted in the recent
> >coronation. It was, after all, their King who was being crowned.
> How anyone can feel slighted with 4 of their own bearing RCMP officers
> leading the coronation horse parade is beyond me. Don't read anything
> into the fact that the Royal Canadian Mint have said there will be no
> Charles clins until 2024 - it's not a slight on Charles - they didn't
> have a new image done by the coronation and it takes time to make and
> engrave one then have it personally approved by the Crown - which is
> one of the perks of being King or Queen - they get final approval on
> their own images - it's not like American coins where George
> Washington and others aren't able to approve their own images!

Our tradition is that living people do not appear on money, so getting
approval would be difficult.

pt

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 12:41:57?AM UTC-4, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 09:34:16 -0700, Paul S Person
>> <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >And doesn't British Royalty still enjoy the protection of the Horse
>> >Guards?
>> Of course they do - I even saw the Horse Guards on parade when I was
>> in London in 2016.
>> >This is not to say that Canadian horses were slighted in the recent
>> >coronation. It was, after all, their King who was being crowned.
>> How anyone can feel slighted with 4 of their own bearing RCMP officers
>> leading the coronation horse parade is beyond me. Don't read anything
>> into the fact that the Royal Canadian Mint have said there will be no
>> Charles clins until 2024 - it's not a slight on Charles - they didn't
>> have a new image done by the coronation and it takes time to make and
>> engrave one then have it personally approved by the Crown - which is
>> one of the perks of being King or Queen - they get final approval on
>> their own images - it's not like American coins where George
>> Washington and others aren't able to approve their own images!
>
>Our tradition is that living people do not appear on money, so getting
>approval would be difficult.

And having approval refused would be ... rare.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

“Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
one is actually pretty funny”
https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/

I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.

Lynn

On 6/8/23 6:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
> one is actually pretty funny”
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>
> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
>
> Lynn

Of course. 79 years ago we invaded France, after all, and I’m not
willing to bet that Putin is less mad than Hitler.

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

On 6/8/2023 3:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
> one is actually pretty funny”
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>
> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
>
Creating such plans is a regular assignment for new staff officers so
they can learn _how_ to make operation plans.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:28:18 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 6/8/2023 3:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
>> one is actually pretty funny”
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>>
>> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
>> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
>>
>Creating such plans is a regular assignment for new staff officers so
>they can learn _how_ to make operation plans.

And, besides, you never know when they might come in handy.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 4:43:39 PM UTC+1, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:28:18 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >On 6/8/2023 3:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
> >> one is actually pretty funny”
> >>
> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
> >>
> >> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
> >> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
> >>
> >Creating such plans is a regular assignment for new staff officers so
> >they can learn _how_ to make operation plans.
> And, besides, you never know when they might come in handy.
> --
> "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
> development was the disintegration, under Christian
> influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
> of family right."

It might be that it is not enough to be very satisified with your contingency planning. From https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2020/january/statement-on-wuhan-coronavirus/ here is the relevant government spokesman when we were just hearing about something new coming out of Wuhan:

"The public can be assured that the whole of the UK is always well-prepared for these types of outbreaks and will remain vigilant and keep our response under constant review in the light of emerging scientific evidence."

A number of the following events, including a mad scramble to get protective equipment, suggests that we could have been better prepared.

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 6:28:48 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
> one is actually pretty funny”
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>
> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.

About thirty years ago the Canadian war plans for a conflict with the US, written about 1930, were published.

The key phrase was:

"These plans were nothing if not ambitious"

I suspect some staff officer was ordered to draw up such a plan, sank a few whiskys, and
went to work.

Then they could tell the government "Yes, we have a plan". Box ticked.

William Hyde

On 6/9/2023 1:37 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 6:28:48 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
>> one is actually pretty funny”
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>>
>> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
>> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
>
> About thirty years ago the Canadian war plans for a conflict with the US, written about 1930, were published.
>
> The key phrase was:
>
> "These plans were nothing if not ambitious"
>
> I suspect some staff officer was ordered to draw up such a plan, sank a few whiskys, and
> went to work.
>
> Then they could tell the government "Yes, we have a plan". Box ticked.
>
I think I heard about those some mumble years ago. Weren't they
basically "stall and slow the Americans as best we can until the UK
sends help"?

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-6, Andrew McDowell wrote:

> It might be that it is not enough to be very satisified with your contingency planning. From
> https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2020/january/statement-on-wuhan-coronavirus/
> here is the relevant government spokesman when we were just hearing
> about something new coming out of Wuhan:

> "The public can be assured that the whole of the UK is always well-prepared
> for these types of outbreaks and will remain vigilant and keep our response
> under constant review in the light of emerging scientific evidence."

> A number of the following events, including a mad scramble to get
> protective equipment, suggests that we could have been better prepared.

It certainly is true that at the start of the pandemic, there weren't enough masks
to go around - indeed, there basically weren't any masks available!

However, all in all, in the UK, and indeed in Canada, that bland statement of
reassurance was at least *approximately* true.

In the United States, on the other hand, the response was basically sabotaged
by Donald Trump because he figured locking down the country for an epidemic
would hurt the economy - and good economic numbers favor a President
getting re-elected. (He sort of assumed the pandemic wouldn't be bad enough
to have serious consequences of its own.)

Of course, praising the response of the UK simply because of the unlikely event
of an administration in the U.S. that chose to do much worse isn't really logical...

John Savard

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 4:00:57 PM UTC-6, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

> I think I heard about those some mumble years ago. Weren't they
> basically "stall and slow the Americans as best we can until the UK
> sends help"?

And in 1930, such a plan might actually have worked.

John Savard

On 6/9/2023 10:43 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:28:18 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/8/2023 3:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
>>> one is actually pretty funny”
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>>>
>>> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
>>> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
>>>
>> Creating such plans is a regular assignment for new staff officers so
>> they can learn _how_ to make operation plans.
>
> And, besides, you never know when they might come in handy.

We have not invaded Canada in a long time. Might be time now.

Lynn

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 9:42:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 6/9/2023 10:43 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:28:18 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> > <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/8/2023 3:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
> >>> one is actually pretty funny”
> >>>
> >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
> >>> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
> >>>
> >> Creating such plans is a regular assignment for new staff officers so
> >> they can learn _how_ to make operation plans.
> >
> > And, besides, you never know when they might come in handy.
> We have not invaded Canada in a long time. Might be time now.
>
>

At present we are allies against the current threat.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/hundreds-of-american-firefighters-arrive-in-canada-to-help-battle-wildfires-1.6432188

--
Kevin R

On 6/9/2023 10:47 PM, Kevrob wrote:
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 9:42:45 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 6/9/2023 10:43 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:28:18 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/8/2023 3:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
>>>>> one is actually pretty funny”
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
>>>>> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
>>>>>
>>>> Creating such plans is a regular assignment for new staff officers so
>>>> they can learn _how_ to make operation plans.
>>>
>>> And, besides, you never know when they might come in handy.
>> We have not invaded Canada in a long time. Might be time now.
>>
>>
>
> At present we are allies against the current threat.
>
> https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/hundreds-of-american-firefighters-arrive-in-canada-to-help-battle-wildfires-1.6432188

I was in northern Montana (Craig) a couple of weeks ago. The smoke was
pretty bad when we got there and then it dissipated over the next few days.

Lynn

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 11:05:12 PM UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-6, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>
> > It might be that it is not enough to be very satisified with your contingency planning. From
> > https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2020/january/statement-on-wuhan-coronavirus/
> > here is the relevant government spokesman when we were just hearing
> > about something new coming out of Wuhan:
>
> > "The public can be assured that the whole of the UK is always well-prepared
> > for these types of outbreaks and will remain vigilant and keep our response
> > under constant review in the light of emerging scientific evidence."
>
> > A number of the following events, including a mad scramble to get
> > protective equipment, suggests that we could have been better prepared.
> It certainly is true that at the start of the pandemic, there weren't enough masks
> to go around - indeed, there basically weren't any masks available!
>
> However, all in all, in the UK, and indeed in Canada, that bland statement of
> reassurance was at least *approximately* true.
>
> In the United States, on the other hand, the response was basically sabotaged
> by Donald Trump because he figured locking down the country for an epidemic
> would hurt the economy - and good economic numbers favor a President
> getting re-elected. (He sort of assumed the pandemic wouldn't be bad enough
> to have serious consequences of its own.)
>
> Of course, praising the response of the UK simply because of the unlikely event
> of an administration in the U.S. that chose to do much worse isn't really logical...
>
> John Savard
I am hoping that some useful information will come out of the covid inquiry just starting, but that is by no means guaranteed. The one thing the UK got right, the US (even Trump) also got right - vaccines ASAP (the US, of course, had a catchier name - Operation Warp Speed). Despite side effects now apparent, I am persuaded that this saved many many lives. In the UK this was one of a number of initiatives modelled on US venture capitalism - try a lot of ideas, each with small probability of success individually. "Test and Trace" does not appear to have been successful, unfortunately, as this could be very quickly repurposed for a different bug. I was a great fan of the use of modeling and simulation to direct policy, but it looks very much as if we don't know enough about assessing the reliability of its projections. Sweden appears to have done pretty well without government enforcement, because of what amounts to a widespread voluntary lockdown with similar costs and benefits. A recent (book length) discussion of this is at https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Perspectives-_1_Did-lockdowns-work__June_web.pdf)

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 6:00:57 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/9/2023 1:37 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 6:28:48 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
> >> one is actually pretty funny”
> >>
> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
> >>
> >> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
> >> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
> >
> > About thirty years ago the Canadian war plans for a conflict with the US, written about 1930, were published.
> >
> > The key phrase was:
> >
> > "These plans were nothing if not ambitious"
> >
> > I suspect some staff officer was ordered to draw up such a plan, sank a few whiskys, and
> > went to work.
> >
> > Then they could tell the government "Yes, we have a plan". Box ticked.
> >
> I think I heard about those some mumble years ago. Weren't they
> basically "stall and slow the Americans as best we can until the UK
> sends help"?

As I recall the mission for the central army group (not that Canada had enough troops for an army group)
was to take St Louis. This inspired the key phrase.

William Hyde

On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 23:12:14 -0700 (PDT), William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 6:00:57?PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/9/2023 1:37 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>> > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 6:28:48?PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >> “Dilbert: Robots Read News 06/08/2023 (posted as "ok to share") - this
>> >> one is actually pretty funny”
>> >>
>> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/144jgss/robots_read_news_06082023_posted_as_ok_to_share/
>> >>
>> >> I suspect that somewhere in the bowels of the funny shaped building that
>> >> we do have multitudinous plans to invade Canada.
>> >
>> > About thirty years ago the Canadian war plans for a conflict with the US, written about 1930, were published.
>> >
>> > The key phrase was:
>> >
>> > "These plans were nothing if not ambitious"
>> >
>> > I suspect some staff officer was ordered to draw up such a plan, sank a few whiskys, and
>> > went to work.
>> >
>> > Then they could tell the government "Yes, we have a plan". Box ticked.
>> >
>> I think I heard about those some mumble years ago. Weren't they
>> basically "stall and slow the Americans as best we can until the UK
>> sends help"?
>
>As I recall the mission for the central army group (not that Canada had enough troops for an army group)
>was to take St Louis. This inspired the key phrase.

That makes sense.

It was founded by the French, and grew after the Seven Years' War (aka
French & Indian War in the USA) by French settlers from Illinois. It
was then purchased from France along with the rest of (Western)
Louisiana (Eastern Louisiana had gone, with Canada, to Britain when
the Seven Years' War was settled).

So, for the French-Canadian population, at least, this would be taking
their own land back.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."