Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 09/11/2023 08.46, Jack Bohn wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 8:53:23 AM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> I don't want' to be limited to firing up my laptop
>>> (Linux/Windows) to use Usenet.
>>
>> You usta to that all the time! The laptop was so much more convenient than going over to the desktop!
>>
>> I wonder if today's vinyl aficionados have a ritual like my '80s roommate, starting with taking the record out of its special non-paper sleeve, putting it on the turntable, and using a special cleaning brush -with a couple drops of a special cleaning fluid- before starting to play.
>
>I wouldn't call myself a "vinyl aficionado", but I certainly clean my
>LPs before playing them.

I hope you do a proper cleaning instead of using the Discwasher "special
cleaning brush" to move the dirt around.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:07:31 -0800 (PST), Andrew McDowell
<mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:28:25?PM UTC, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On Thursday, 9 November 2023 at 13:02:55 UTC, The Doctor wrote:
>> > Depeer Google GRoups now!
>>
>> Instead of saying that all the time why don't you
>> !do something constructive?
>>
>> Perhaps assess how many group members are
>> making positive contributions through Google?
>> Or have you done that?
>I tried to link my Windows XP machine up with Eternal September some time ago and failed. That machine is slowly becoming less and less useful, as it is not only XP, but runs an AMD 64-bit chip without SSE instructions, which means that I cannot get a browser update for it. It looks like I can read Google Groups on it, but the "I am not a robot" dialog fails. So my posting is via a browser on my company laptop, which at least means that browser is bang up to date.

In a way, then, I lucked out: My XP machine just plain died (I think
motherboard, as there were multiple problems), forcing me to get a new
computer. I settled on an HP Envy, an impressive piece of hardware,
that came with Windows 8.1. It won't do Windows 11, but I'll cross
that bridge when I come to it.

Much as would prefer to be running XP, I have to say that Windows 10
does work and is useable.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On 10.11.23 18:12, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:07:31 -0800 (PST), Andrew McDowell
> <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:28:25?PM UTC, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 9 November 2023 at 13:02:55 UTC, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> Depeer Google GRoups now!
>>>
>>> Instead of saying that all the time why don't you
>>> !do something constructive?
>>>
>>> Perhaps assess how many group members are
>>> making positive contributions through Google?
>>> Or have you done that?
>> I tried to link my Windows XP machine up with Eternal September some time ago and failed. That machine is slowly becoming less and less useful, as it is not only XP, but runs an AMD 64-bit chip without SSE instructions, which means that I cannot get a browser update for it. It looks like I can read Google Groups on it, but the "I am not a robot" dialog fails. So my posting is via a browser on my company laptop, which at least means that browser is bang up to date.
>
> In a way, then, I lucked out: My XP machine just plain died (I think
> motherboard, as there were multiple problems), forcing me to get a new
> computer. I settled on an HP Envy, an impressive piece of hardware,
> that came with Windows 8.1. It won't do Windows 11, but I'll cross
> that bridge when I come to it.
>
> Much as would prefer to be running XP, I have to say that Windows 10
> does work and is useable.
>
my XP comp. was bought in may2004, so
right past 20 years old.
This response comes from that comp. and thunderbird.......

On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
> I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
> carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
> r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
> originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
> from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
> those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
>
Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.
--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:56:41 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
> > I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
> > carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
> > r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
> > originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
> > from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
> > those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
> >
> Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
> I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
> for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.

I use GG.

I think if you want to block me, it's the Newsreader identifier header.

Pt

On 11/10/2023 10:01 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:56:41 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
>> On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
>>> I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
>>> carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
>>> r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
>>> originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
>>> from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
>>> those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
>>>
>> Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
>> I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
>> for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.
>
> I use GG.
>
> I think if you want to block me, it's the Newsreader identifier header.
>
> Pt

Two places.

Message ID: <1a35392b-0cad-4da4-b2a6-0307ba455e77n@googlegroups.com>
User agent: G2/1.0

If supported I suppose you could also check..

Path:
epsilon3.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail

Injection-info: google-groups.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=73.89.71.141; posting-account=BUItcQoAAACgV97n05UTyfLcl1Rd4W33

In article <robertaw-53F13F.09471308112023@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

> I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
> carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
> r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
> originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
> from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
> those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).

And as a followup, it appears that 'news.individual.net' is now allowing
posts from Google Groups to show up on rec.arts.sf.written (but not on
rec.arts.sf.fandom).

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
�-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:01:34 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:56:41?PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
>> On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> > I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
>> > carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
>> > r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
>> > originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
>> > from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
>> > those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
>> >
>> Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
>> I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
>> for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.
>
>I use GG.
>
>I think if you want to block me, it's the Newsreader identifier header.

This (for some reason) was a /lot/ harder than it should have been,
but the headers I see that appear to be possibles are:

>Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=73.89.71.141; posting-account=BUItcQoAAACgV97n05UTyfLcl1Rd4W33
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 73.89.71.141
>References: <robertaw-53F13F.09471308112023@news.individual.net> <uimu1k$34dqp$1@dont-email.me>
>User-Agent: G2/1.0

I saw no "Newsreader identifier header", but "Injection-Info" appears
to be quite clear. "User-Agent" rather less so.

I kept the two headers in between to avoid confusion by implying that
the two of interest were together.

Interestingly, the ">" on the first line (and so probably the others)
keeps the info on that line, even when wrapping is on. Go figure.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Friday, 10 November 2023 at 12:38:58 UTC, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, 8 November 2023 at 17:47:20 UTC, Robert Woodward wrote:
> >> I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
> >> carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
> >> r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
> >> originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
> >> from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
> >> those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
> >
> >Oh, by the way, I'm not a robot.
> How do you know? Can any of us be sure that we are not robots?
> Better try Ubik.

I'm not a character in an Asimov story. Or a Dick.

On Saturday, 11 November 2023 at 04:19:21 UTC, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> On 11/10/2023 10:01 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:56:41 PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
> >> On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
> >>> I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
> >>> carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
> >>> r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
> >>> originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
> >>> from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
> >>> those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
> >>>
> >> Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
> >> I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
> >> for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.
> >
> > I use GG.
> >
> > I think if you want to block me, it's the Newsreader identifier header.
> >
> > Pt
> Two places.
>
> Message ID: <1a35392b-0cad-4da4...@googlegroups.com>
> User agent: G2/1.0
>
> If supported I suppose you could also check..
>
> Path:
> epsilon3.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
>
> Injection-info: google-groups.googlegroups.com;
> posting-host=73.89.71.141; posting-account=BUItcQoAAACgV97n05UTyfLcl1Rd4W33

Some of this evidence could be forged, I expect.
What if some spam isn't posted through GG
but it is constructed to appear as if it is from GG?

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:16:39 PM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:01:34 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:56:41?PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
> >> On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
> >> > I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
> >> > carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
> >> > r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
> >> > originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
> >> > from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
> >> > those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
> >> >
> >> Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
> >> I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
> >> for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.
> >
> >I use GG.
> >
> >I think if you want to block me, it's the Newsreader identifier header.
> This (for some reason) was a /lot/ harder than it should have been,
> but the headers I see that appear to be possibles are:
>
> >Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=73.89.71.141; posting-account=BUItcQoAAACgV97n05UTyfLcl1Rd4W33
> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 73.89.71.141
> >References: <robertaw-53F13F...@news.individual.net> <uimu1k$34dqp$1...@dont-email.me>
> >User-Agent: G2/1.0
>
> I saw no "Newsreader identifier header", but "Injection-Info" appears
> to be quite clear. "User-Agent" rather less so.
>
> I kept the two headers in between to avoid confusion by implying that
> the two of interest were together.
>
> Interestingly, the ">" on the first line (and so probably the others)
> keeps the info on that line, even when wrapping is on. Go figure.

I was thinking of the User-Agent: header, but couldn't remember the
correct name. GG removed the ability to see the original text of a message
some years ago.

GG isn't a great interface, but I explained my use of it upthread.

Pt

In article <uimu1k$34dqp$1@dont-email.me>, BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
>On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
>> carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
>> r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
>> originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
>> from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
>> those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
>>
>Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
>I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
>for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.

Easiest is to kill on User-Agent being "G2/1.0" and the recipe for rn/tin is:

# Kill all google postings if needed
/User-Agent: G2\/1.0/h:j
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
>Some of this evidence could be forged, I expect.
>What if some spam isn't posted through GG
>but it is constructed to appear as if it is from GG?

The nice thing about Usenet is that you get a complete path, and you can
check each system up the path and see if they got the message. So if
forgeries are injected into the system (as has been done in the past,
witness kremvax) it's usually pretty obvious from an inspection of the
path by someone who knows the normal peering arrangements, and possible to
track down precisely without knowing them but with more effort.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

pete...@gmail.com wrote:

>On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 8:28:25 AM UTC-5, Robert Carnegie
>wrote:
>> On Thursday, 9 November 2023 at 13:02:55 UTC, The Doctor wrote:
>> > Depeer Google GRoups now!
>>
>> Instead of saying that all the time why don't you
>> !do something constructive?
>>
>> Perhaps assess how many group members are
>> making positive contributions through Google?
>> Or have you done that?
>
>I post mainly through GG. NNTP won't go through
>my corporate firewall, and the number of clients
>that work on an iPad or Android is approximately
>zero.

When I was still a productive member of society, I used GG in the
latter years. At one time I had a contact in company network
maintenance that had drilled a hole through the firewall for NIN.
However, when I left usenet for a time I gave up my account there. When
I came back I didn't feel like seeing if the process would even work.

I did find a newsreader for iOs, NewsTap (the free version is Lite). I
Set it up for use with AIOE, but didn't ever really use it to any
significant extent.

https://mobile.clauss-net.de/NewsTap/

Brian

Jack Bohn wrote:

>On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 8:53:23 AM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com
>wrote:

[The Doctor]

>> > Perhaps assess how many group members are
>> > making positive contributions through Google?
>> > Or have you done that?
>
>He is, I believe, the source of the monthly statistics post.

And that is the only reason that I haven't killfiled him. He has an
annoying habit of responding to spam to inform us that it is spam. Duh,
and all that.

Brian

Robert Carnegie wrote:

>On Thursday, 9 November 2023 at 13:02:55 UTC, The Doctor wrote:
>> Depeer Google GRoups now!
>
>Instead of saying that all the time why don't you
>!do something constructive?
>
>Perhaps assess how many group members are
>making positive contributions through Google?
>Or have you done that?

I don't know about positive contributions, but the most recent
statistics post showed the GG was far and away the most used
newsreader, with almost 37% of the "distinct users" and post volume.

Considering the much reduced circumstances of the group as it is,
removing that much traffic would doubtlessly be detrimental. Some would
find alternates, for others it would be the last straw. For me it would
drive me to an alternative to Eternal September.

Brian

In article <uipmno$3t5sv$1@dont-email.me>,
"Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, 9 November 2023 at 13:02:55 UTC, The Doctor wrote:
> >> Depeer Google GRoups now!
> >
> >Instead of saying that all the time why don't you
> >!do something constructive?
> >
> >Perhaps assess how many group members are
> >making positive contributions through Google?
> >Or have you done that?
>
> I don't know about positive contributions, but the most recent
> statistics post showed the GG was far and away the most used
> newsreader, with almost 37% of the "distinct users" and post volume.
>

Unfortunately, those numbers includes a substantial amount of spam.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

Lynn McGuire wrote:

>On 11/9/2023 8:50 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

>>What was Google's corporate motto again?
>
>Google dropped the "Do not evil" a long while ago.

I thought they changed it to "Don't be not making money."

Brian

On 11/11/2023 22.58, Default User wrote:
> Jack Bohn wrote:

> [The Doctor]

>> He is, I believe, the source of the monthly statistics post.
>
> And that is the only reason that I haven't killfiled him. He has an
> annoying habit of responding to spam to inform us that it is spam.

Not only that, but s/he reposts the spam in its entirety!

--
Michael F. Stemper
The name of the story is "A Sound of Thunder".
It was written by Ray Bradbury. You're welcome.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:43:04 -0600, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/11/2023 22.58, Default User wrote:
>> Jack Bohn wrote:
>
>> [The Doctor]
>
>>> He is, I believe, the source of the monthly statistics post.
>>
>> And that is the only reason that I haven't killfiled him. He has an
>> annoying habit of responding to spam to inform us that it is spam.
>
>Not only that, but s/he reposts the spam in its entirety!

At least (IIRC) they don't top post.

Or do they?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>When I was still a productive member of society, I used GG in the
>latter years. At one time I had a contact in company network
>maintenance that had drilled a hole through the firewall for NIN.
>However, when I left usenet for a time I gave up my account there. When
>I came back I didn't feel like seeing if the process would even work.

NIN? The metal band?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:54:42 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >When I was still a productive member of society, I used GG in the
> >latter years. At one time I had a contact in company network
> >maintenance that had drilled a hole through the firewall for NIN.
> >However, when I left usenet for a time I gave up my account there. When
> >I came back I didn't feel like seeing if the process would even work.
>
> NIN? The metal band?
>

Heh - I saw them perform one year ago yesterday. They were great.
But (as I suspect you know) I think he's referring to news.individual.net.

Tony

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:16:39 PM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:01:34 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
> > <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:56:41?PM UTC-5, BCFD36 wrote:
> > >> On 11/8/23 09:47, Robert Woodward wrote:
> > >> > I have discovered that the 'news.individual.net' newserver is not
> > >> > carrying posts that were posted from Google Groups (at least in the
> > >> > r.a.sf.* hierarchy). I guess that is one way to stop all the spam
> > >> > originating from Google Groups. But that means that I don't see posts
> > >> > from William Hyde, Andrew McDowell, and others (at least until I check
> > >> > those newsgroups on the Supernews newserver).
> > >> >
> > >> Which field in the header says "I originated in google groups"? Not that
> > >> I can set a filter on it with Thunderbird, but it would be nice to know
> > >> for sure. I am thinking it may be in the MessageId field.
> > >
> > >I use GG.
> > >
> > >I think if you want to block me, it's the Newsreader identifier header..
> > This (for some reason) was a /lot/ harder than it should have been,
> > but the headers I see that appear to be possibles are:
> >
> > >Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=73.89.71.141; posting-account=BUItcQoAAACgV97n05UTyfLcl1Rd4W33
> > >NNTP-Posting-Host: 73.89.71.141
> > >References: <robertaw-53F13F...@news.individual.net> <uimu1k$34dqp$1....@dont-email.me>
> > >User-Agent: G2/1.0
> >
> > I saw no "Newsreader identifier header", but "Injection-Info" appears
> > to be quite clear. "User-Agent" rather less so.
> >
> > I kept the two headers in between to avoid confusion by implying that
> > the two of interest were together.
> >
> > Interestingly, the ">" on the first line (and so probably the others)
> > keeps the info on that line, even when wrapping is on. Go figure.
> I was thinking of the User-Agent: header, but couldn't remember the
> correct name. GG removed the ability to see the original text of a message
> some years ago.
>
> GG isn't a great interface, but I explained my use of it upthread.
>

I too use GG, partly for your reasons, with a side dish of "I tend
to post from one of three machines - 2 macOS, and 1 Windows",
and I'm just lazy enough to not want to set up all three for the
purpose of posting here.

Tony

Tony Nance wrote:

>I too use GG, partly for your reasons, with a side dish of "I tend
>to post from one of three machines - 2 macOS, and 1 Windows",
>and I'm just lazy enough to not want to set up all three for the
>purpose of posting here.

Using real newsreaders on multiple machines has synchrononization
problems too. If they were all the same OS, you might be able to
install the reader on a flash drive and carry it between machines. I
looked into that with XanaNews and I think I could have. But ultimately
I didn't.

Brian