“SpaceX to Conduct Second Starship Flight on Saturday”
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-to-conduct-second-starship-flight-on-friday

“SpaceX receives FAA clearance to finally conduct a new launch test of
Starship after April’s test flight exploded 24 miles up, resulting in a
large debris field.”

Cool ! Watch out for falling debris !

D. D. Harriman is back.

Lynn

On 2023-11-16, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

> “SpaceX to Conduct Second Starship Flight on Saturday”

First a bang, then a whimper. :-)

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On 18/11/2023 08.06, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2023-11-16, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> “SpaceX to Conduct Second Starship Flight on Saturday”
>
> First a bang, then a whimper. :-)

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUT1xvdrlDA>

Which, by the way, is loosely based on _Methusaleh's Children_.

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On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 9:30:09 AM UTC-5, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2023-11-16, Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > “SpaceX to Conduct Second Starship Flight on Saturday”
> First a bang, then a whimper. :-)

Relevant cartoon:

https://pixels.com/featured/back-to-the-old-drawing-board-peter-arno.html

Seriously, that's how Elon approaches it. Unlike NASA, or public companies, he
can develop iteratively, accepting that you learn a lot about how to make things
work by learning how they fail. "Failure is an option." If you have Congress or
stockholders to please, you can't do that.

We may very well see another launch before the end of the year.

pt

On 2023-11-18, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

> Seriously, that's how Elon approaches it. Unlike NASA, or public companies, he
> can develop iteratively, accepting that you learn a lot about how to make things
> work by learning how they fail. "Failure is an option."

I seem to remember that American post-WWII rocketry and the early
space program progressed the same way. I recall seeing a showreel
of exploding rockets, much like SpaceX's.

It's kind of intriguing how such machinery proceeds from "all systems
nominal" to "catastrophic disassembly" in very little time.

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On 11/18/2023 12:53 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2023-11-18, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Seriously, that's how Elon approaches it. Unlike NASA, or public companies, he
>> can develop iteratively, accepting that you learn a lot about how to make things
>> work by learning how they fail. "Failure is an option."
>
> I seem to remember that American post-WWII rocketry and the early
> space program progressed the same way. I recall seeing a showreel
> of exploding rockets, much like SpaceX's.
>
> It's kind of intriguing how such machinery proceeds from "all systems
> nominal" to "catastrophic disassembly" in very little time.
>
Highly complex, interrelated and interdependent, when a single component
fails it causes a cascade of failures.

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In article <ujbfit$3gabb$2@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 11/18/2023 12:53 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>> On 2023-11-18, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously, that's how Elon approaches it. Unlike NASA, or public
>companies, he
>>> can develop iteratively, accepting that you learn a lot about how to
>make things
>>> work by learning how they fail. "Failure is an option."
>>
>> I seem to remember that American post-WWII rocketry and the early
>> space program progressed the same way. I recall seeing a showreel
>> of exploding rockets, much like SpaceX's.
>>
>> It's kind of intriguing how such machinery proceeds from "all systems
>> nominal" to "catastrophic disassembly" in very little time.
>>
>Highly complex, interrelated and interdependent, when a single component
>fails it causes a cascade of failures.
>
In a way, the opposite of commercial aircraft. I watch Mayday and
there's a recurring theme that with one main exception [1], serious
mishaps usually involve several things going wrong at once.

1: The exception being suicidal flight crew. Even there, the rest
of the crew has to be somewhere where they cannot intervene.

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On 11/18/2023 3:26 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <ujbfit$3gabb$2@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 11/18/2023 12:53 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-18, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seriously, that's how Elon approaches it. Unlike NASA, or public
>> companies, he
>>>> can develop iteratively, accepting that you learn a lot about how to
>> make things
>>>> work by learning how they fail. "Failure is an option."
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that American post-WWII rocketry and the early
>>> space program progressed the same way. I recall seeing a showreel
>>> of exploding rockets, much like SpaceX's.
>>>
>>> It's kind of intriguing how such machinery proceeds from "all systems
>>> nominal" to "catastrophic disassembly" in very little time.
>>>
>> Highly complex, interrelated and interdependent, when a single component
>> fails it causes a cascade of failures.
>>
> In a way, the opposite of commercial aircraft. I watch Mayday and
> there's a recurring theme that with one main exception [1], serious
> mishaps usually involve several things going wrong at once.
>
> 1: The exception being suicidal flight crew. Even there, the rest
> of the crew has to be somewhere where they cannot intervene.
>
There is enough air traffic that multiple redundancies can be mandated
and enough regularized production to make them viable. We're still in
the period of space travel being all experimental, even SpaceX.

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