So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.

John Savard

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:53:56 -0800, Quadibloc wrote:

> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an
> article.

Finally found where that setting was hidden by the Pan newsreader.

John Savard

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:53:59 AM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.
>
> John Savard
I may make some desultory attempts to use Eternal September again, but I suspect that I will move to reddit, although I am reluctant to get too dependent on it. In some ways Twitter/X should suit me very well, but I have never liked the basic principle of chopping everything up into tweets - perhaps Baen's Bar...

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:00:51 -0800, Andrew McDowell wrote:

> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:53:59 AM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
>> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an
>> article.
>>
>> John Savard
> I may make some desultory attempts to use Eternal September again, but I
> suspect that I will move to reddit, although I am reluctant to get too
> dependent on it. In some ways Twitter/X should suit me very well, but I
> have never liked the basic principle of chopping everything up into
> tweets - perhaps Baen's Bar...

Don't go! Usenet is the purest implementation of freedom of speech on
the internet. It needs all hands on deck to maintain it.

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 3:59:34 AM UTC-5, Charles Packer wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:00:51 -0800, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>
> > On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:53:59 AM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
> >> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
> >> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an
> >> article.
> >>
> >> John Savard
> > I may make some desultory attempts to use Eternal September again, but I
> > suspect that I will move to reddit, although I am reluctant to get too
> > dependent on it. In some ways Twitter/X should suit me very well, but I
> > have never liked the basic principle of chopping everything up into
> > tweets - perhaps Baen's Bar...
> Don't go! Usenet is the purest implementation of freedom of speech on
> the internet. It needs all hands on deck to maintain it.

Parallel thread in rec.arts.sf.fandom

"Google Groups shutting off usenet access"

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.fandom/c/R5y0l8PGlhI/m/ngB1FAQoAgAJ

--
Kevin R

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.

And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.

In article <RzUeN.25330$83n7.2534@fx18.iad>,
Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:00:51 -0800, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>
>> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:53:59 AM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>>> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an
>>> article.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>> I may make some desultory attempts to use Eternal September again, but I
>> suspect that I will move to reddit, although I am reluctant to get too
>> dependent on it. In some ways Twitter/X should suit me very well, but I
>> have never liked the basic principle of chopping everything up into
>> tweets - perhaps Baen's Bar...
>
>Don't go! Usenet is the purest implementation of freedom of speech on
>the internet. It needs all hands on deck to maintain it.

There are available options!
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In article <04_eN.1836$Wbff.1301@fx37.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>>I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an
>article.
>
>And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.

WEll Google should have never purchased this item for starters

!!
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On 12/15/2023 1:00 AM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:53:59 AM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
>> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.
>>
>> John Savard
> I may make some desultory attempts to use Eternal September again, but I suspect that I will move to reddit, although I am reluctant to get too dependent on it. In some ways Twitter/X should suit me very well, but I have never liked the basic principle of chopping everything up into tweets - perhaps Baen's Bar...

Reddit is like high school. Every time I post a book review in
r/printSF, at least one person will scream "written by an AI" because I
use words with more than one syllable. The moderators finally gave me a
get out of jail card.

Lynn

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:15:08 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024.

It will no longer be added to, but the old stuff will still remain
accessible; this was also noted in the notice.

John Savard

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:08:04 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> at least one person will scream "written by an AI" because I
> use words with more than one syllable.

Oh, dear. I fear I would fail that form of the Turing test also.

John Savard

On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>>I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.
>
> And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.

Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)

Lynn McGuire wrote:

>Reddit is like high school. Every time I post a book review in
>r/printSF, at least one person will scream "written by an AI" because
>I use words with more than one syllable. The moderators finally gave
>me a get out of jail card.

We can vouch for you, because you've been writing like this for way
longer than chatbots have existed.

Brian

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13 PM UTC-5, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
> On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> > Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> >>So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
> >>I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.
> >
> > And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.
> Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)

I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time.
Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.
There was considerable hand wringing over the notion that your posts might
be dragged from the archive to incriminate or discredit you.

Those worries were correct.

Pt

The Doctor wrote:

>In article <04_eN.1836$Wbff.1301@fx37.iad>,
>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:

>>And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024.
>>Sigh.
>
>WEll Google should have never purchased this item for starters

My recollection back then was that Deja was going to pull the plug and
flush the servers. GG basically saved it from oblivion at the time.

Brian

Lynn McGuire wrote:

>Reddit is like high school. Every time I post a book review in
>r/printSF, at least one person will scream "written by an AI" because
>I use words with more than one syllable. The moderators finally gave
>me a get out of jail card.

I have never liked Reddit much, it's threading model is fairly poor and
it's stuffed with ads. You don't have to worry too much about spam when
it COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!

Brian

On 16/12/2023 17:23, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13 PM UTC-5, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
>> On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>>>> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.
>>>
>>> And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.
>> Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)
>
> I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time.
> Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.
Really??

There were archives of Usenet posts all over the place, some dating from
before the great reorganisation, before DejaNews started up, but they
didn't allow general access, or advertise their existence. But most
news admins new of their nearest, mine was at Telstra. But I've not
been a real news admin sisnce the 1990s.

DejaNews probably killed them, and then Google killed DejaNews. Sigh.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

Quadibloc <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:15:08 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024.
>
>It will no longer be added to, but the old stuff will still remain
>accessible; this was also noted in the notice.

Except for the stuff that hasn't been accessible for well over a decade.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Quadibloc wrote:
> So the spam will be gone

That's the hope, anyway.

In article <uljhdb$2aqs9$1@dont-email.me>,
Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>>In article <04_eN.1836$Wbff.1301@fx37.iad>,
>>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>>And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024.
>>>Sigh.
>>
>>WEll Google should have never purchased this item for starters
>
>My recollection back then was that Deja was going to pull the plug and
>flush the servers. GG basically saved it from oblivion at the time.
>
>
>Brian
>
>

Seems like archive.org would be a good home if the corpus still exists
somehere.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5, Rockinghorse Win=
>ner wrote:
>> On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:=20
>> > Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:=20
>> >>So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.=
>=20
>> >>I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an =
>article.=20
>> >=20
>> > And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sig=
>h.
>> Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)
>
>I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time.
>Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.

Well, except for Henry Spencer's collection.

On 12/15/2023 10:23 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13 PM UTC-5, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
>> On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>>>> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.
>>>
>>> And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.
>> Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)
>
> I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time.
> Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.
> There was considerable hand wringing over the notion that your posts might
> be dragged from the archive to incriminate or discredit you.
>
> Those worries were correct.
>
Well, we all know the importance of knowing what a politician has said
in the past and since humans are political animals there is a bit of
politician in all of us. :P

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dirty old man.

On 12/15/2023 7:10 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:08:04 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>> at least one person will scream "written by an AI" because I
>> use words with more than one syllable.
>
> Oh, dear. I fear I would fail that form of the Turing test also.
>
> John Savard

The moderators in r/WormFanFic ? banned me so they bought into it too.

Lynn

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 12:53:59 AM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.

Their own decision, or driven by de-peering as mentioned as an option?

Or a strange AI influence on the decision? I heard a commentator mention that in training an large language models on human conversations, if you then let replies from the program into those conversations, you have to be careful that it's not training on an increasing percentage of program output. Google may want its own walled Groups pure, because that would be its own owned data. (As the saying goes, if you aren't paying, you aren't the customer, you are the product) It may have some disposable groups it introduces AI in to converse. I'm trying to thing of some sort of Brin/Uplift convent between AI labs to leave usenet as a fallow world for them all to benefit from.

--
-Jack

On 2023-12-16, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13 PM UTC-5, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
>> On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> > Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>> >>So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.
>> >>I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an article.
>> >
>> > And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.
>> Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)
>
> I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time.
> Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.
> There was considerable hand wringing over the notion that your posts might
> be dragged from the archive to incriminate or discredit you.
>
> Those worries were correct.
>
> Pt

It's remarkable that there was a time when usenet was thought so much of,
that people thought it should be archived. Times sure have changed...