xkcd: Supernova
https://xkcd.com/2878/

I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.

Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova

Lynn

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> xkcd: Supernova
> https://xkcd.com/2878/
>
> I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>
> Explained at:
> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova

ITYM light-millenia.

However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova
appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.

py

In article <9949aed2-0a50-47f2-be73-30849dc02e1fn@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> xkcd: Supernova
>> https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>
>> I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>
>> Explained at:
>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>
>ITYM light-millenia.
>
>However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova
>appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.

Good thing the nearest candidate is 700+ ly away....

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On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58 PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > xkcd: Supernova
> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
> >
> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
> >
> > Explained at:
> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
> ITYM light-millenia.

I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.

> However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova
> appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.

Much further away if it's a gamma ray burst.

ObSF: Time Fuze by Randall Garrett.

-Moriarty

In <8eb5a530-bb2b-4cef-b1dd-c926f8c77e45n@googlegroups.com> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> writes:

[snip]

>> However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova=20
>> appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.=20

>Much further away if it's a gamma ray burst.

>ObSF: Time Fuze by Randall Garrett.

obsf: Variable Star, by Spider Robinson, inspired
by Heinlein.

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In article <9949aed2-0a50-47f2-be73-30849dc02e1fn@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> xkcd: Supernova
>> https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>
>> I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>
>> Explained at:
>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>
>ITYM light-millenia.
>
>However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova
>appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.
>
>py

20 years seems about enough for a champagne supernova..
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
<blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> > xkcd: Supernova
>> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
>> >
>> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>> >
>> > Explained at:
>> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>> ITYM light-millenia.
>
>I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.

There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
(/Solo/?).

Basically, he exited a maze by cutting through the walls, thus
reducing the distance required.

But I agree that his boast makes /no sense at all/ without the
context. Which, I expect, was created long after Ep Iv appeared.

>> However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova
>> appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.
>
>Much further away if it's a gamma ray burst.
>
>ObSF: Time Fuze by Randall Garrett.
>
>-Moriarty
--
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

In article <unuqpi91hifnusd1cv3i29glb1d1r38obc@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
><blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> > xkcd: Supernova
>>> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>> >
>>> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>> >
>>> > Explained at:
>>> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>>> ITYM light-millenia.
>>
>>I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
>
>There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
>(/Solo/?).
>
>Basically, he exited a maze by cutting through the walls, thus
>reducing the distance required.
>
>But I agree that his boast makes /no sense at all/ without the
>context. Which, I expect, was created long after Ep Iv appeared.
>
It is part of a tradition of SF movies confusing distance units
with time units. See also light years.

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On 1/8/24 11:56 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <9949aed2-0a50-47f2-be73-30849dc02e1fn@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> xkcd: Supernova
>>> https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>>
>>> I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>>
>>> Explained at:
>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>>
>> ITYM light-millenia.
>>
>> However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova
>> appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.
>>
>> py
>
> 20 years seems about enough for a champagne supernova..

Aha - an oasis of humor in a scientific thread. Nice!
- Tony

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:18:25 PM UTC-5, Tony Nance wrote:
> On 1/8/24 11:56 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > In article <9949aed2-0a50-47f2...@googlegroups.com>,
> > pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> xkcd: Supernova
> >>> https://xkcd.com/2878/
> >>>
> >>> I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
> >>>
> >>> Explained at:
> >>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
> >>
> >> ITYM light-millenia.
> >>
> >> However, poking around the internet, 'safe' distances for a supernova
> >> appear to be in the 50-200 ly range.
> >>
> >> py
> >
> > 20 years seems about enough for a champagne supernova..
> Aha - an oasis of humor in a scientific thread. Nice!

Some might say.

--
Kevin R

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:44:17 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>In article <unuqpi91hifnusd1cv3i29glb1d1r38obc@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
>><blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> > xkcd: Supernova
>>>> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>>> >
>>>> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>>> >
>>>> > Explained at:
>>>> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>>>> ITYM light-millenia.
>>>
>>>I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
>>
>>There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
>>(/Solo/?).
>>
>>Basically, he exited a maze by cutting through the walls, thus
>>reducing the distance required.
>>
>>But I agree that his boast makes /no sense at all/ without the
>>context. Which, I expect, was created long after Ep Iv appeared.
>>
>It is part of a tradition of SF movies confusing distance units
>with time units. See also light years.

I don't recall noticing it anywhere else. But, of course, I don't go
around thinking about units all day either.

And a "light year" is a measure both of space and of time. If SETI
discovered a signal from 10M LY away today, the civilization that sent
it existed 10M years ago, but may not be around now. So we would still
not know that we are not alone in the universe, just that we are not
the first. Which is not the same thing.

This all gets very confusing, and what I said just now may well be ...
bunk. Who can say?
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:00:14 AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
> <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> > xkcd: Supernova
> >> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
> >> >
> >> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
> >> >
> >> > Explained at:
> >> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
> >> ITYM light-millenia.
> >
> >I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
> There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
> (/Solo/?).
>
I have a vague recollection that somebody mentions in an expanded universe book that it involves a path by a black hole and you can cut the distance by going closer to the black hole at the serious risk of not completing the run

I think in the movie there's a reaction from Obi-wan that suggests that he recognises that Han is bullshitting but isn't in a position to call him on it because they need to get on a ship and the falcon seems to be the only option for that (I think the actual shooting script specifies a reaction)

Yeah, here it is (from https://app.studiobinder.com/company/580e85847e7982164664e844/collab/5e3cc9ed9287d4071d44d0a0/projects/5e3cc17d9287d4071d44cfa6/document/5e3cc18d670d63a57455f38a?filter=%257B%2522l%2522%253A%25225e3cc1a4b039d999679bfb90%2522%257D&utm_source=blog&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=sb-app-link&utm_term=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting&utm_content=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting_ )

HAN
It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!
Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-5, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:00:14 AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
> > <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > >> > xkcd: Supernova
> > >> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
> > >> >
> > >> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
> > >> >
> > >> > Explained at:
> > >> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
> > >> ITYM light-millenia.
> > >
> > >I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
> > There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
> > (/Solo/?).
> >
> I have a vague recollection that somebody mentions in an expanded universe book that it involves a path by a black hole and you can cut the distance by going closer to the black hole at the serious risk of not completing the run
>
> I think in the movie there's a reaction from Obi-wan that suggests that he recognises that Han is bullshitting but isn't in a position to call him on it because they need to get on a ship and the falcon seems to be the only option for that (I think the actual shooting script specifies a reaction)
>
> Yeah, here it is (from https://app.studiobinder.com/company/580e85847e7982164664e844/collab/5e3cc9ed9287d4071d44d0a0/projects/5e3cc17d9287d4071d44cfa6/document/5e3cc18d670d63a57455f38a?filter=%257B%2522l%2522%253A%25225e3cc1a4b039d999679bfb90%2522%257D&utm_source=blog&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=sb-app-link&utm_term=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting&utm_content=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting_ )
>
> HAN
> It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!
> Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.

Yup:

"Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation."

That version of the script also confirms that Han shot first, and includes the encounter
between Jabba and Han that didn't appear until the cgi-enhanced release 20? Years later.

Pt

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:26:34 PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-5, Hamish Laws wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:00:14 AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
> > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
> > > <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > > >> > xkcd: Supernova
> > > >> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Explained at:
> > > >> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
> > > >> ITYM light-millenia.
> > > >
> > > >I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
> > > There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
> > > (/Solo/?).
> > >
> > I have a vague recollection that somebody mentions in an expanded universe book that it involves a path by a black hole and you can cut the distance by going closer to the black hole at the serious risk of not completing the run
> >
> > I think in the movie there's a reaction from Obi-wan that suggests that he recognises that Han is bullshitting but isn't in a position to call him on it because they need to get on a ship and the falcon seems to be the only option for that (I think the actual shooting script specifies a reaction)
> >
> > Yeah, here it is (from https://app.studiobinder.com/company/580e85847e7982164664e844/collab/5e3cc9ed9287d4071d44d0a0/projects/5e3cc17d9287d4071d44cfa6/document/5e3cc18d670d63a57455f38a?filter=%257B%2522l%2522%253A%25225e3cc1a4b039d999679bfb90%2522%257D&utm_source=blog&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=sb-app-link&utm_term=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting&utm_content=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting_ )
> >
> > HAN
> > It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!
> > Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.
> Yup:
> "Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation."
> That version of the script also confirms that Han shot first, and includes the encounter
> between Jabba and Han that didn't appear until the cgi-enhanced release 20? Years later.
>
The Jabba and Han meet was scripted, filmed but cut from the movie

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 02:17:54 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
<hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:26:34?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:35?PM UTC-5, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:00:14?AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
>> > > <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > >> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> > > >> > xkcd: Supernova
>> > > >> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Explained at:
>> > > >> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>> > > >> ITYM light-millenia.
>> > > >
>> > > >I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
>> > > There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
>> > > (/Solo/?).
>> > >
>> > I have a vague recollection that somebody mentions in an expanded universe book that it involves a path by a black hole and you can cut the distance by going closer to the black hole at the serious risk of not completing the run
>> >
>> > I think in the movie there's a reaction from Obi-wan that suggests that he recognises that Han is bullshitting but isn't in a position to call him on it because they need to get on a ship and the falcon seems to be the only option for that (I think the actual shooting script specifies a reaction)
>> >
>> > Yeah, here it is (from https://app.studiobinder.com/company/580e85847e7982164664e844/collab/5e3cc9ed9287d4071d44d0a0/projects/5e3cc17d9287d4071d44cfa6/document/5e3cc18d670d63a57455f38a?filter=%257B%2522l%2522%253A%25225e3cc1a4b039d999679bfb90%2522%257D&utm_source=blog&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=sb-app-link&utm_term=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting&utm_content=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting_ )
>> >
>> > HAN
>> > It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!
>> > Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.
>> Yup:
>> "Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation."
>> That version of the script also confirms that Han shot first, and includes the encounter
>> between Jabba and Han that didn't appear until the cgi-enhanced release 20? Years later.
>>
>The Jabba and Han meet was scripted, filmed but cut from the movie

And then, apparently, it's dialog was re-purposed, as it appears in
the original release in a different context.

Similar to an added lost scene in /Spartacus/, where the dialog is the
same as another scene which wasn't lost.

You do not have a coherent movie when the dialog is re-used (unless
there is a reason to re-use it, such as a court reporter reading it
back).
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 09:00:07 -0800, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
><blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> > xkcd: Supernova
>>> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>> >
>>> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>> >
>>> > Explained at:
>>> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>>> ITYM light-millenia.
>>
>>I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
>
>There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
>(/Solo/?).
>
>Basically, he exited a maze by cutting through the walls, thus
>reducing the distance required.
>
>But I agree that his boast makes /no sense at all/ without the
>context. Which, I expect, was created long after Ep Iv appeared.

Sounds like the future Captain Kirk and the Komagatu Maru!

On Friday 12 January 2024 at 07:36:53 UTC, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 09:00:07 -0800, Paul S Person
> <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
> ><blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> > xkcd: Supernova
> >>> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
> >>> >
> >>> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
> >>> >
> >>> > Explained at:
> >>> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
> >>> ITYM light-millenia.
> >>
> >>I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
> >
> >There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
> >(/Solo/?).
> >
> >Basically, he exited a maze by cutting through the walls, thus
> >reducing the distance required.
> >
> >But I agree that his boast makes /no sense at all/ without the
> >context. Which, I expect, was created long after Ep Iv appeared.
> Sounds like the future Captain Kirk and the Komagatu Maru!

If you mean the bit in _Star Trek II_,
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komagata_Maru_incident>
was not that. Very short version: The British Empire
was racist. Of course.

On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 02:45:16 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Friday 12 January 2024 at 07:36:53 UTC, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 09:00:07 -0800, Paul S Person
>> <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
>> ><blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >>> > xkcd: Supernova
>> >>> > https://xkcd.com/2878/
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Explained at:
>> >>> > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>> >>> ITYM light-millenia.
>> >>
>> >>I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
>> >
>> >There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
>> >(/Solo/?).
>> >
>> >Basically, he exited a maze by cutting through the walls, thus
>> >reducing the distance required.
>> >
>> >But I agree that his boast makes /no sense at all/ without the
>> >context. Which, I expect, was created long after Ep Iv appeared.
>> Sounds like the future Captain Kirk and the Komagatu Maru!
>
>If you mean the bit in _Star Trek II_,
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komagata_Maru_incident>
>was not that. Very short version: The British Empire
>was racist. Of course.

He probably is referring to Cap'n Kirk's ... imaginative ... solution
to a Space Academy exercise, but equating cheating on a test with what
Han (in a much later film) is credited with doing is ... valid only in
that is shows what true determination can do. If at that.

Kirk is motivated by pride -- pride wounded by his "failure". Solo,
IIRC, basically has a gun to his head and no option but to take risks.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On 11/01/2024 16:27, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 02:17:54 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
> <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:26:34?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:35?PM UTC-5, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:00:14?AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
>>>>> <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>> xkcd: Supernova
>>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>>>>>>> ITYM light-millenia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
>>>>> There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
>>>>> (/Solo/?).
>>>>>
>>>> I have a vague recollection that somebody mentions in an expanded universe book that it involves a path by a black hole and you can cut the distance by going closer to the black hole at the serious risk of not completing the run
>>>>
>>>> I think in the movie there's a reaction from Obi-wan that suggests that he recognises that Han is bullshitting but isn't in a position to call him on it because they need to get on a ship and the falcon seems to be the only option for that (I think the actual shooting script specifies a reaction)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, here it is (from https://app.studiobinder.com/company/580e85847e7982164664e844/collab/5e3cc9ed9287d4071d44d0a0/projects/5e3cc17d9287d4071d44cfa6/document/5e3cc18d670d63a57455f38a?filter=%257B%2522l%2522%253A%25225e3cc1a4b039d999679bfb90%2522%257D&utm_source=blog&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=sb-app-link&utm_term=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting&utm_content=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting_ )
>>>>
>>>> HAN
>>>> It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!
>>>> Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.
>>> Yup:
>>> "Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation."
>>> That version of the script also confirms that Han shot first, and includes the encounter
>>> between Jabba and Han that didn't appear until the cgi-enhanced release 20? Years later.
>>>
>> The Jabba and Han meet was scripted, filmed but cut from the movie
>
> And then, apparently, it's dialog was re-purposed, as it appears in
> the original release in a different context.
>
> Similar to an added lost scene in /Spartacus/, where the dialog is the
> same as another scene which wasn't lost.
>
> You do not have a coherent movie when the dialog is re-used (unless
> there is a reason to re-use it, such as a court reporter reading it
> back).

It's theatrical. I don't know if this is
relevant, but I recently heard a BBC radio
feature about film making, with particular
reference to dreams, and I think a few people,
including one of the hosts, made an argument
that all films are simulated dreams.
Criticism of this includes, do you know
people who throw popcorn around while
they're dreaming? Anyway, _Screenshot_:
<>https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001vlnx>
- I think that will allow an audio download.

In shows with music, a song from earlier
often reappears later.

Incidentally, the Marvel Comics Star Wars
adaptation also had the scene where Jabba
the Hutt, as a humanoid-ish figure, confronts
Han Solo.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 23:34:23 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/01/2024 16:27, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 02:17:54 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
>> <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:26:34?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:35?PM UTC-5, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:00:14?AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:55:44 -0800 (PST), Moriarty
>>>>>> <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:31:58?PM UTC+11, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:43:50?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>> xkcd: Supernova
>>>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/2878/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that the bottom time scale is millennia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Explained at:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2878:_Supernova
>>>>>>>> ITYM light-millenia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I blame George Lucas for turning the parsec into a unit of time.
>>>>>> There is actually an explanation of this in one of the later movies
>>>>>> (/Solo/?).
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have a vague recollection that somebody mentions in an expanded universe book that it involves a path by a black hole and you can cut the distance by going closer to the black hole at the serious risk of not completing the run
>>>>>
>>>>> I think in the movie there's a reaction from Obi-wan that suggests that he recognises that Han is bullshitting but isn't in a position to call him on it because they need to get on a ship and the falcon seems to be the only option for that (I think the actual shooting script specifies a reaction)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, here it is (from https://app.studiobinder.com/company/580e85847e7982164664e844/collab/5e3cc9ed9287d4071d44d0a0/projects/5e3cc17d9287d4071d44cfa6/document/5e3cc18d670d63a57455f38a?filter=%257B%2522l%2522%253A%25225e3cc1a4b039d999679bfb90%2522%257D&utm_source=blog&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=sb-app-link&utm_term=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting&utm_content=star-wars-script-teardown-full-script-studiobinder-screenwriting_ )
>>>>>
>>>>> HAN
>>>>> It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!
>>>>> Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.
>>>> Yup:
>>>> "Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation."
>>>> That version of the script also confirms that Han shot first, and includes the encounter
>>>> between Jabba and Han that didn't appear until the cgi-enhanced release 20? Years later.
>>>>
>>> The Jabba and Han meet was scripted, filmed but cut from the movie
>>
>> And then, apparently, it's dialog was re-purposed, as it appears in
>> the original release in a different context.
>>
>> Similar to an added lost scene in /Spartacus/, where the dialog is the
>> same as another scene which wasn't lost.
>>
>> You do not have a coherent movie when the dialog is re-used (unless
>> there is a reason to re-use it, such as a court reporter reading it
>> back).
>
>It's theatrical. I don't know if this is
>relevant, but I recently heard a BBC radio
>feature about film making, with particular
>reference to dreams, and I think a few people,
>including one of the hosts, made an argument
>that all films are simulated dreams.
>Criticism of this includes, do you know
>people who throw popcorn around while
>they're dreaming? Anyway, _Screenshot_:
><>https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001vlnx>
>- I think that will allow an audio download.
>
>In shows with music, a song from earlier
>often reappears later.

And often with a different meaning. Even using the same words.

A clear example of this that might be accessible is "Thank You Very
Much" from the Albert Finney /Scrooge/.

Which is part of another musical tradition: to recap the songs at the
end for the Finale.

In stage versions, sometimes the whole cast turns up singing,
including those who have died in the story. An example would be /Into
the Woods/ or /Sweeny Todd/, but you need to be watching the version
shown on TV (which is available on DVD), not the theatrical film done
later -- this doesn't often survive the transition to a theatrical
film.

Note: by "TV version" and "theatrical film" I am attempting to
distinguish between an actual stage play which has been filmed (often
to be shown television or a filmed live TV performance) and a film of
the musical done as a movie intended to be shown in movie theaters.
Time travel isn't the /only/ area in which normal speech fails us!

>Incidentally, the Marvel Comics Star Wars
>adaptation also had the scene where Jabba
>the Hutt, as a humanoid-ish figure, confronts
>Han Solo.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"