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* Lynn's six star list in February 2024Lynn McGuire
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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 21:30 UTC

Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:

1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
15. “Going Home” by A. American
16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
19. “The Postman” by David Brin
20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

Lynn

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 by: D - Fri, 2 Feb 2024 09:37 UTC

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>
> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>
> Lynn
>

Excellent! This will form the foundation of my search for a new book!

Best regards,
Daniel

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 by: Titus G - Sat, 3 Feb 2024 03:32 UTC

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>
>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>>
>> Lynn
>>

I have read 9 of 26. That figure is not likely to change.
2,3,4 The Heinleins to which I may have once awarded many stars but the
last time I tried to re-read The Moon..., it read so poorly with
unbelievably clunky style and dialogue that I did not get far.
6 Jumper. A pot boiler for teenagers resting between masturbations.
13 Not finished.
16 Ender's Game. 5 stars.
18 Recommended for insomniacs.
19 The Postman. 3 solid stars.
25 Murderbot. 3 stars.

It was interesting to read such a list. I doubt whether I could be so
precise with ranking but perhaps would prepare a group of close but
unranked favourites.

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 by: D - Sat, 3 Feb 2024 11:00 UTC

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024, Titus G wrote:

>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>
>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>>
>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>
> I have read 9 of 26. That figure is not likely to change.
> 2,3,4 The Heinleins to which I may have once awarded many stars but the
> last time I tried to re-read The Moon..., it read so poorly with
> unbelievably clunky style and dialogue that I did not get far.
> 6 Jumper. A pot boiler for teenagers resting between masturbations.
> 13 Not finished.
> 16 Ender's Game. 5 stars.
> 18 Recommended for insomniacs.
> 19 The Postman. 3 solid stars.
> 25 Murderbot. 3 stars.
>
> It was interesting to read such a list. I doubt whether I could be so
> precise with ranking but perhaps would prepare a group of close but
> unranked favourites.

I'll add mine as well.

3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
4 stars. Have read it 2 or 3 times, and still like it.

16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
3.5 stars. A bit too adolescent for me.

19. “The Postman” by David Brin
3 stars. Can't remember much to be honest.

So Heinlein for the win among the few that I read from the list.

Best regards,
Daniel

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 by: Tony Nance - Sat, 3 Feb 2024 12:32 UTC

On 2/1/24 4:30 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>
> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>
> Lynn

I've read these, and enjoyed all of them, except the Cline
1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
19. “The Postman” by David Brin
20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Correia

And I will probably read these someday
6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

And I am unlikely to read the rest.
- Tony

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 by: WolfFan - Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:05 UTC

On Feb 1, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
(in article <uph2gr$2838k$2@dont-email.me>):

> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>
> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber

severe suspension of disbelief issues. 2.25 stars
>
> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein

excellent. 4.75
>
> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein

magnificent. re-read every ever so often. 5,75
>
> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein

excellent. 4.5.
>
> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold

very good. 4.25
>
> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould

no comment.
>
> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling

he sahould have moved with the Nantucket castaways. 3.5
>
> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer

very good. 4
>
> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster

Excellent. 4.75
>
> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo

Dire. 0.5
>
> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo

more dire. 0.25
>
> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

Excellent. 5
>
> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

Excellent. 4.75
>
> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton

didn’t read
>
> 15. “Going Home” by A. American

didn’t read
>
> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card

very good. 4.25
>
> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline

So-so. 3.75
>
> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir

Excellent. 5
>
> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin

you gotta be kidding. 2.5
>
> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor

didn’t read
>
> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong

didn’t read
>
> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs

So-so. 3.75
>
> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley

very good. 4.25
>
> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz

didn’t read
>
> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells

Overrated. 4
>
> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein

not his best, but even not his best is pretty good. 4
>
> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

didn’t read
>
> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

not as dire as Ringo. Still dire. 0.75
>
>
> Lynn

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 by: Chris Buckley - Sat, 3 Feb 2024 23:38 UTC

On 2024-02-01, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>
> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

Thanks for posting, Lynn. As I've said in the past, I don't like
commenting on other people's lists without being willing to post my own.
Lists are always somewhat idiosyncratic; dependent upon external factors
like when in your life you read them. I want to encourage folks to post
their own lists!

In that spirit, here's a list from me. 3 levels of ranking, unranked
within each group. Third level was actual me wanting to shorten the
list and take some out of the second level, but I decided to give them
anyways. Heinlein is special cased; I read and re-read so often
in my early years that I don't know how I would rank them if I re-read
them all now.

_The Book of the New Sun_ Wolfe
_The Murderbot Diaries_ Wells (the first one, but possibly the series)
_A Deepness in the Sky_ Vinge
_A Fire Upon the Deep_ Vinge
_Lord of the Rings_ Tolkein
_Watchmen_ Moore
_The RiddleMaster of Hed (trilogy)_ McKillip
_The EarthSea Trilogy_ LeGuin
_Tigana_ Kay
_Dune_ Herbert
_Cyteen_ Cherryh
_Ender's Game_ Card
_The Stars My Destination_ Bester

_Startide Rising_ Brin
_Speaker for the Dead_ Card
_The Dragon Never Sleeps_ Cook
_Little, Big_ Crowley
_In Conquest Born_ Friedman
Heinlein (multiple but how many and which depends on the day)
_Courtship Rite_ Kingsbury
_The Armageddon Rag_ Martin
_Middlegame_ McGuire
_Sunshine_ Mckinley
_The Mote in God's Eye_ Niven,Pournelle
_The Witches of Karres_ Schmitz
_Snow Crash_ Stross
_The Persistence of Vision_ Varley
_Aristoi_ Williams
_Lord of Light_ Zelazny

_The King's Avatar_ Butterfly Blue (Hu Dielan)(webnovel)
_The Library at Mount Char_ Hawkins
_Ninefox Gambit_ Lee
_Way of Choices_ Ni (webnovel)
_Small Gods_ Pratchett
_Pavane_ Roberts
_Super Supportive_ Sleyca (webnovel, ongoing)
_A College of Magics_ Stevermer

--
Chris

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 by: Titus G - Sun, 4 Feb 2024 04:24 UTC

On 4/02/24 12:38, Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2024-02-01, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
> Thanks for posting, Lynn. As I've said in the past, I don't like
> commenting on other people's lists without being willing to post my own.
> Lists are always somewhat idiosyncratic; dependent upon external factors
> like when in your life you read them. I want to encourage folks to post
> their own lists!

I will do an unranked list later.

> In that spirit, here's a list from me. 3 levels of ranking, unranked
> within each group. Third level was actual me wanting to shorten the
> list and take some out of the second level, but I decided to give them
> anyways. Heinlein is special cased; I read and re-read so often
> in my early years that I don't know how I would rank them if I re-read
> them all now.

Don't re-read. Preserve the early memories. I really enjoyed re-reading
_Citizen of the Galaxy_ and _By His Bootstraps_ last year but others
have been miserable, eg _The Roads Must Roll_ and even clever _Job_ was
patchy.

> _The Book of the New Sun_ Wolfe

3 stars. Have only read first two.

> _The Murderbot Diaries_ Wells (the first one, but possibly the series)

The first one was great but the novelty wore off. 3 stars for the series.

> _A Deepness in the Sky_ Vinge
> _A Fire Upon the Deep_ Vinge
> _Lord of the Rings_ Tolkein

All five stars for me.

> _Watchmen_ Moore

Not read.

> _The RiddleMaster of Hed (trilogy)_ McKillip

Did not like the weirdly archaic writing style.

> _The EarthSea Trilogy_ LeGuin

3 stars.

> _Tigana_ Kay

Not yet started though Fionavar was 5 stars

> _Dune_ Herbert
> _Cyteen_ Cherryh
> _Ender's Game_ Card
> _The Stars My Destination_ Bester

All 5 stars except 2 star Cyteen which I read in 2014 finding it too
slow and too complicated.

snippage
> _Snow Crash_ Stross
Stephenson? 4 stars

> _Pavane_ Roberts

Another 2014 read that I re-read a few years ago enjoying it as much as
the first time. 4 stars.

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 by: Chris Buckley - Sun, 4 Feb 2024 14:39 UTC

On 2024-02-04, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 4/02/24 12:38, Chris Buckley wrote:
....
>> _Tigana_ Kay
>
> Not yet started though Fionavar was 5 stars

_Fionavar_ could definitely be included in my third ranking, as could
another dozen or two books at least. People's opinions of early Kay like
_Fionavar_ and _Tigana_ is strongly influenced by how much they enjoy
emotional impact (aka "can tolerate emotional manipulation"). Technical
writing skills and writing research gradually improve through Kay's
career but emotional impact gradually lessened, IMO. I like emotional
impact so prefer early Kay.

> snippage
>> _Snow Crash_ Stross
> Stephenson? 4 stars

Aarrgh! (Beat head against keyboard and then erase random characters.)
Mental lapse. I like and read anything by both of them, but all the best
Stephenson are a cut above the best Stross (and the worst Stephenson
are a cut below the worst Stross, even worse than some of the late
Laundry).

Chris

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>3 stars. Can't remember much to be honest.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 5 Feb 2024 02:13 UTC

On 2/3/2024 5:38 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2024-02-01, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>
>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>
> Thanks for posting, Lynn. As I've said in the past, I don't like
> commenting on other people's lists without being willing to post my own.
> Lists are always somewhat idiosyncratic; dependent upon external factors
> like when in your life you read them. I want to encourage folks to post
> their own lists!
>
> In that spirit, here's a list from me. 3 levels of ranking, unranked
> within each group. Third level was actual me wanting to shorten the
> list and take some out of the second level, but I decided to give them
> anyways. Heinlein is special cased; I read and re-read so often
> in my early years that I don't know how I would rank them if I re-read
> them all now.
>
> _The Book of the New Sun_ Wolfe
> _The Murderbot Diaries_ Wells (the first one, but possibly the series)
> _A Deepness in the Sky_ Vinge
> _A Fire Upon the Deep_ Vinge
> _Lord of the Rings_ Tolkein
> _Watchmen_ Moore
> _The RiddleMaster of Hed (trilogy)_ McKillip
> _The EarthSea Trilogy_ LeGuin
> _Tigana_ Kay
> _Dune_ Herbert
> _Cyteen_ Cherryh
> _Ender's Game_ Card
> _The Stars My Destination_ Bester
>
> _Startide Rising_ Brin
> _Speaker for the Dead_ Card
> _The Dragon Never Sleeps_ Cook
> _Little, Big_ Crowley
> _In Conquest Born_ Friedman
> Heinlein (multiple but how many and which depends on the day)
> _Courtship Rite_ Kingsbury
> _The Armageddon Rag_ Martin
> _Middlegame_ McGuire
> _Sunshine_ Mckinley
> _The Mote in God's Eye_ Niven,Pournelle
> _The Witches of Karres_ Schmitz
> _Snow Crash_ Stross
> _The Persistence of Vision_ Varley
> _Aristoi_ Williams
> _Lord of Light_ Zelazny
>
> _The King's Avatar_ Butterfly Blue (Hu Dielan)(webnovel)
> _The Library at Mount Char_ Hawkins
> _Ninefox Gambit_ Lee
> _Way of Choices_ Ni (webnovel)
> _Small Gods_ Pratchett
> _Pavane_ Roberts
> _Super Supportive_ Sleyca (webnovel, ongoing)
> _A College of Magics_ Stevermer

There is a lot of good books on that list. I have not read about a
third of them but I have heard of most of them. I see that you have at
least one of my cousin's books that I have not read yet.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 12 Feb 2024 06:22 UTC

On 2/1/2024 3:30 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>
> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>
> Lynn

6. “Jumper”, "Reflex", "Impulse", "Exo" by Steven Gould

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 22 Feb 2024 01:36 UTC

On 2/3/2024 6:32 AM, Tony Nance wrote:
> On 2/1/24 4:30 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>
>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>>
>> Lynn
>
> I've read these, and enjoyed all of them, except the Cline
> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Correia
>
> And I will probably read these someday
> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>
> And I am unlikely to read the rest.
> - Tony

Try 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley. It has an immense suspension of
disbelief for the new energy device and the rest is a serious look at
what will happen if we ever get past the energy requirement to get out
of the gravity well. One gravity to Mars and back becomes a week long
vacation. BTW, Varley is a serious Heinlein disciple, almost as much as
Jo Walton.
https://www.amazon.com/Red-Thunder-Lightning-Novel/dp/0441011624/

Lynn

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 by: Tony Nance - Thu, 22 Feb 2024 02:54 UTC

On 2/21/24 8:36 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 2/3/2024 6:32 AM, Tony Nance wrote:
>> On 2/1/24 4:30 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>>
>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> I've read these, and enjoyed all of them, except the Cline
>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Correia
>>
>> And I will probably read these someday
>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>
>> And I am unlikely to read the rest.
>> - Tony
>
> Try 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley.  It has an immense suspension of
> disbelief for the new energy device and the rest is a serious look at
> what will happen if we ever get past the energy requirement to get out
> of the gravity well.  One gravity to Mars and back becomes a week long
> vacation.  BTW, Varley is a serious Heinlein disciple, almost as much as
> Jo Walton.
>    https://www.amazon.com/Red-Thunder-Lightning-Novel/dp/0441011624/
>

Thanks - it seems like it should work for me, and I've thought about it
several times over the years, BUT the thing that always stops me is that
I'm pretty much Heinlein-blind (sad for me). I like TMIAHM; and SIASL &
TDIS are...okay; and I haven't/won't read any of the others. Since Red
Thunder is often portrayed as Varley doing a Heinlein juvie, that kinda
stops me.

Tony

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 22 Feb 2024 03:39 UTC

On 2/21/2024 8:54 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
> On 2/21/24 8:36 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 2/3/2024 6:32 AM, Tony Nance wrote:
>>> On 2/1/24 4:30 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>>>
>>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>>>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>>>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>>>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>>>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> I've read these, and enjoyed all of them, except the Cline
>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Correia
>>>
>>> And I will probably read these someday
>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>
>>> And I am unlikely to read the rest.
>>> - Tony
>>
>> Try 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley.  It has an immense suspension of
>> disbelief for the new energy device and the rest is a serious look at
>> what will happen if we ever get past the energy requirement to get out
>> of the gravity well.  One gravity to Mars and back becomes a week long
>> vacation.  BTW, Varley is a serious Heinlein disciple, almost as much
>> as Jo Walton.
>>     https://www.amazon.com/Red-Thunder-Lightning-Novel/dp/0441011624/
>>
>
> Thanks - it seems like it should work for me, and I've thought about it
> several times over the years, BUT the thing that always stops me is that
> I'm pretty much Heinlein-blind (sad for me). I like TMIAHM; and SIASL &
> TDIS are...okay; and I haven't/won't read any of the others. Since Red
> Thunder is often portrayed as Varley doing a Heinlein juvie, that kinda
> stops me.
>
> Tony

"Red Thunder" is a mix of a Heinlein juvie and "Friday". "Red Thunder"
is not a juvie book, in fact it may not even be a young adult book. If
you have read Friday, you will understand. If not, then Friday is
another book to add. Of course, you want to read the prequel for Friday
too.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Wed, 13 Mar 2024 04:46 UTC

On 2/4/2024 3:53 AM, John wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:30:02 -0600, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>
>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>
> Never read this.
>
>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>
> Read, didn't like.
>
>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>
> Read many decades ago. I liked it then but I had at tat time read few
> SF books. I do remember it so it must have made an impression.
>
>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>
> Read, remember, liked.
>
>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>
> I've not read 5-8 and probably never will.
>
>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>
> The rest of the books in the series are better though a singing
> weapon is nice.
>
> Oh, a couple of the later books are slightly iffy, as though
> ghost-written.
>
>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>
> 10-11 not read, never will.
>
>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>
> **SPOILERS**
>
> I really disliked the "aliens" in this one. Too USAlien. They could
> have run for Senate seats. Yes, some Rednecks may have objected to
> their shapes at first but that would last only until the elephants
> promised them bread-and-circuses.
>
> I did like the human attack ship. Not many stories have Orions in
> them and I think they are neat. Loud, too. :)
>
> The "aliens's" motive for coming here was idiotic. It was almost as
> bad as stealing the Earth's core in that sequel to ID-3. Maybe worse
> than coming here for water. (What, no visiting starship has sensors
> that can detect Callisto? There's *tons* of easily lifted water
> there.) (No, NOT THE RINGS! The Rings are sacred. Mining them, however
> tempting and easy is blasphemy.)
>
> The only things Earth has that nowhere else does are cats and humans.
> Cats are nice but no sane alien would want humans. Probably no
> *insane* one, either.
>
> The only aliens I've ever seen that had a good reason for coming here
> were the Daleks from "Dr. Who". Their rationale was to exterminate
> humans. From a non-human perspective, that makes heaps of good sense.
> Especially if the aliens have ever seen "Parliament TV".
>
>
>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>
> "Footfall" without the elephants. I liked this one.
>
> "You can fly, but we control the lightning!" Beautiful.
>
>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>
> I've read lots of Ms. Nrton's work but not this one. I don't know how
> I missed it. She has done some really excellent work.
>
>> 15. “Going Home” by A. America
>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>
> 15-17 nope. I really don't like Mr. Card's stuff. I don't know why.
>
>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>
> I liked the movie so much that I read the book that came free with
> the DVD. The book was different. Not better but it has more details
> and more Science. The book is good.
>
> I'd recommend seeing the movie before reading the book but that's a
> personal view.
>
>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>
> Read, liked. I've yet to see the movie. I doubt that I'd like it.
>
>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>
> Not read 20-23 though I have read others by Mr. Varley. I like his
> "humans-kicked-off-of-Earth" books.
>
>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>
> With "Watchers", this is probably the best thing Mr. Koontz has ever
> written. Well worth reading.
>
>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>
> Nope, won't.
>
>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>
> Read, regretted it. It's not so poor as "Sunset" nor "Number" but it
> is dreadful. I read "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" with great
> expectations and was utterly disappointed in that one, too. Not enough
> cat in it.
>
> I'm still waiting on a review of "Pantera" but it is the first
> Heinlein I'll probably skip.
>
>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>
> Neither of those.
>
> What, no Turtledove, Hamilton or loads of others?
>
> well, I supposed we're all different. Certainly different from me.
> The world would be *horrible* were you all me.
>
> An interesting list but what are your criteria for inclusion?
>
> And why not "Watchers"? I liked the doggie.
>
> Have you tried Alan E. Nourse?
>>
>> Lynn

Stephen Baxter's Ark (second book after Flood) has an Orion spaceship.

I have to admit I like "Watchers" a lot but I have not reread it yet.

I do not like Turtledove. Hamilton either.

My incredibly loose criteria is that I reread and enjoy the book again
to get on my six star list. Some of the books on the list are
approaching ten reads. I wish I kept a list going back to age 9 or 10.

I have Pantera in my SBR (strategic book reserve) along with several
other Heinleins for rereads. I would like to reread every book of
Heinleins in the next 10 to 20 years (I am 63).

I need to add Faith Hunter's Skinwalker to the list. I may add
"Children Of Time" by Adrian Tchaikovksy when I finish it.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Wed, 13 Mar 2024 21:54 UTC

On 3/13/2024 6:48 AM, John wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:46:28 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/4/2024 3:53 AM, John wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:30:02 -0600, Lynn McGuire
>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>>>
>>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>>
>>> Never read this.
>>>
>>>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>>>
>>> Read, didn't like.
>>>
>>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>>
>>> Read many decades ago. I liked it then but I had at tat time read few
>>> SF books. I do remember it so it must have made an impression.
>>>
>>>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>>>
>>> Read, remember, liked.
>>>
>>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>>
>>> I've not read 5-8 and probably never will.
>>>
>>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>>
>>> The rest of the books in the series are better though a singing
>>> weapon is nice.
>>>
>>> Oh, a couple of the later books are slightly iffy, as though
>>> ghost-written.
>>>
>>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>>>
>>> 10-11 not read, never will.
>>>
>>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>
>>> **SPOILERS**
>>>
>>> I really disliked the "aliens" in this one. Too USAlien. They could
>>> have run for Senate seats. Yes, some Rednecks may have objected to
>>> their shapes at first but that would last only until the elephants
>>> promised them bread-and-circuses.
>>>
>>> I did like the human attack ship. Not many stories have Orions in
>>> them and I think they are neat. Loud, too. :)
>>>
>>> The "aliens's" motive for coming here was idiotic. It was almost as
>>> bad as stealing the Earth's core in that sequel to ID-3. Maybe worse
>>> than coming here for water. (What, no visiting starship has sensors
>>> that can detect Callisto? There's *tons* of easily lifted water
>>> there.) (No, NOT THE RINGS! The Rings are sacred. Mining them, however
>>> tempting and easy is blasphemy.)
>>>
>>> The only things Earth has that nowhere else does are cats and humans.
>>> Cats are nice but no sane alien would want humans. Probably no
>>> *insane* one, either.
>>>
>>> The only aliens I've ever seen that had a good reason for coming here
>>> were the Daleks from "Dr. Who". Their rationale was to exterminate
>>> humans. From a non-human perspective, that makes heaps of good sense.
>>> Especially if the aliens have ever seen "Parliament TV".
>>>
>>>
>>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>
>>> "Footfall" without the elephants. I liked this one.
>>>
>>> "You can fly, but we control the lightning!" Beautiful.
>>>
>>>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>>>
>>> I've read lots of Ms. Nrton's work but not this one. I don't know how
>>> I missed it. She has done some really excellent work.
>>>
>>>> 15. “Going Home” by A. America
>>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>>
>>> 15-17 nope. I really don't like Mr. Card's stuff. I don't know why.
>>>
>>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>>
>>> I liked the movie so much that I read the book that came free with
>>> the DVD. The book was different. Not better but it has more details
>>> and more Science. The book is good.
>>>
>>> I'd recommend seeing the movie before reading the book but that's a
>>> personal view.
>>>
>>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>>
>>> Read, liked. I've yet to see the movie. I doubt that I'd like it.
>>>
>>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>>>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>>>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>>>
>>> Not read 20-23 though I have read others by Mr. Varley. I like his
>>> "humans-kicked-off-of-Earth" books.
>>>
>>>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>>>
>>> With "Watchers", this is probably the best thing Mr. Koontz has ever
>>> written. Well worth reading.
>>>
>>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>>
>>> Nope, won't.
>>>
>>>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>>>
>>> Read, regretted it. It's not so poor as "Sunset" nor "Number" but it
>>> is dreadful. I read "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" with great
>>> expectations and was utterly disappointed in that one, too. Not enough
>>> cat in it.
>>>
>>> I'm still waiting on a review of "Pantera" but it is the first
>>> Heinlein I'll probably skip.
>>>
>>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>>>
>>> Neither of those.
>>>
>>> What, no Turtledove, Hamilton or loads of others?
>>>
>>> well, I supposed we're all different. Certainly different from me.
>>> The world would be *horrible* were you all me.
>>>
>>> An interesting list but what are your criteria for inclusion?
>>>
>>> And why not "Watchers"? I liked the doggie.
>>>
>>> Have you tried Alan E. Nourse?
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>
>> Stephen Baxter's Ark (second book after Flood) has an Orion spaceship.
>
> Ah, cool, thank you. I've been meaning to get a round tuit with this
> one for ages as I quite liked "Flood" but I never have. Well, not yet.
> I know how messy and nasty Orions are but I've loved the *idea* of
> the technology since the late 1960's.
>
> "Time For The Stars" has nuked-up ships in it, too. Those launch from
> the Ocean far from people which I thought was good engineering.
>
>>
>> I have to admit I like "Watchers" a lot but I have not reread it yet.
>
> "Lightning" is cool, too. My opinion, of course.
>
>>
>> I do not like Turtledove. Hamilton either.
>
> Well, that's fine. I don't like lots of things others love and adore.
> You ain't me and you are allowed to be different. :)
>
> I liked "Night's Dawn" and the "Pandora's Star" books from Mr. H. and
> lots and lots of Mr. T.'s stuff.
>
> The "How Few Remain" series is interesting [to me], but I would have
> liked the first interview with the professor to go a different way.
> That could have enabled several additional books to be written.
>
>>
>> My incredibly loose criteria is that I reread and enjoy the book again
>> to get on my six star list.
>
> Oh. Cool. That would make my 6* list about the same mass as a
> National Library, maybe bigger. One of my true happy things with
> modern tech is that I can now carry extremely large, heavy, long and
> interesting books by the bucket-load in my jacket pocket. One of my
> sad disappointments is that I can't easily convert my dead-tree
> collection to electrons.
>
> The cost, even were they all available, which, due to the 14th
> Century mindset of publishers is never going to happen, would be
> rather more than that of a house.
>
> Any decent reader machine could swallow all of my hard copies but
> getting them into one is never going to be possible. That's sad.
>
>
>
>> Some of the books on the list are
>> approaching ten reads. I wish I kept a list going back to age 9 or 10.
>
> There is no way I could do that. I've read thousands of books since
> then and enjoyed a whole load of them. I own quite a few of them, too,
> but many were read when I borrowed them from the Library.
>
> My wife was a great reader, too. Her idea of a neat trick to allow
> her to shop in peace was to find a bookshop wherein she could deposit
> me while she wandered off to do her thing but she also read hundreds
> of books of many types.
>
>
>>
>> I have Pantera in my SBR (strategic book reserve) along with several
>> other Heinleins for rereads. I would like to reread every book of
>> Heinleins in the next 10 to 20 years (I am 63).
>
> I've yet to try "Pantera". Maybe someday. Probably not.
>
>>
>> I need to add Faith Hunter's Skinwalker to the list.
>
> Is it good?
>
> I must admit to not much caring whether a Writer is a lady or not.
> Hell, I don't really care whether it's human though I don't read much
> computer-generated stuff as that tends to be dreadful.
>
>
>> I may add
>> "Children Of Time" by Adrian Tchaikovksy when I finish it.
>
> No relation, I assume?
>
> Is that one good, too?
>
> Far, far too many books, not nearly sufficient shelving. Or time.
>
> Thank you,
>>
>> Lynn


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On 2/12/2024 12:22 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 3:30 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:
>>
>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>> 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia
>>
>> Lynn
>
> 6. “Jumper”, "Reflex", "Impulse", "Exo" by Steven Gould
>
> Lynn

29. "Among Others" by Jo Walton

Lynn

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