On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 00:58:16 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 22/02/2024 16:42, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:58:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:11:37 -0800, Paul S Person
>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is all very weird. Metal can lids are not allowed separately
>>>>> (under 3") because they cause problems with the equipment (I think
>>>>> they slip through the part that grinds everything into pieces). Yet
>>>>> they are magnetic, and so (one would think) should be separated out by
>>>>> then.
>>>>
>>>> Really?!? It's been years since I've encountered one of those that
>>>> wasn't aluminum.
>>>
>>> Most non-beverage cans (peas, corn, soup, etc) are made from
>>> tin (or steel) so far as I am aware.
>>
>> Which would explain why refrigerator magnets cling to them so well.
>>
>> I haven't used a beverage can in ... so many decades I've forgotten
>> when. I'm sure I did, though, at some point.
>
>Granovita Mushroom Pate" comes in a small
>tin which magnets don't stick to. I assume
>it is aluminium.

I think the metal cans referrd to contain fruits and vegetables, not
processed mushrooms.

But, yes, there may be exceptions. Corned beef, for some reason (it's
been a /long/ time since I bought that), comes to mind.

>I expect that large cans may be steel
>regardless of contents, because aluminium
>wouldn't scale up affordably in some
>uses. Aluminium still is expensive
>enough that the can made of it uses as
>little of it as possible.
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:58:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:11:37 -0800, Paul S Person
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>This is all very weird. Metal can lids are not allowed separately
>>>(under 3") because they cause problems with the equipment (I think
>>>they slip through the part that grinds everything into pieces). Yet
>>>they are magnetic, and so (one would think) should be separated out by
>>>then.
>>
>>Really?!? It's been years since I've encountered one of those that
>>wasn't aluminum.
>
>Most non-beverage cans (peas, corn, soup, etc) are made from
>tin (or steel) so far as I am aware.

Good point. I was entirely thinking about drink cans.

In article <jq5cui1al9np5aci78piosne1m8bn9n6tk@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:58:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>
>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:11:37 -0800, Paul S Person
>>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is all very weird. Metal can lids are not allowed separately
>>>>(under 3") because they cause problems with the equipment (I think
>>>>they slip through the part that grinds everything into pieces). Yet
>>>>they are magnetic, and so (one would think) should be separated out by
>>>>then.
>>>
>>>Really?!? It's been years since I've encountered one of those that
>>>wasn't aluminum.
>>
>>Most non-beverage cans (peas, corn, soup, etc) are made from
>>tin (or steel) so far as I am aware.
>
>Good point. I was entirely thinking about drink cans.

I remember a Rockford Files episode where a guy who was Rockford's
nemesis while they were in jail (maybe Isaac Hayes?) gets out years
after Rockford, and then shows up on his doorstep trying to intimidate
him into performing some task by crushing a soda can with his hand.

Rockford (approx): I don't know if you noticed since you got out, but
those are all aluminum now: Anybody can do that!
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In article <l4mjq6F2su3U1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <jq5cui1al9np5aci78piosne1m8bn9n6tk@4ax.com>,
>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:58:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:11:37 -0800, Paul S Person
>>>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This is all very weird. Metal can lids are not allowed separately
>>>>>(under 3") because they cause problems with the equipment (I think
>>>>>they slip through the part that grinds everything into pieces). Yet
>>>>>they are magnetic, and so (one would think) should be separated out by
>>>>>then.
>>>>
>>>>Really?!? It's been years since I've encountered one of those that
>>>>wasn't aluminum.
>>>
>>>Most non-beverage cans (peas, corn, soup, etc) are made from
>>>tin (or steel) so far as I am aware.
>>
>>Good point. I was entirely thinking about drink cans.
>
>I remember a Rockford Files episode where a guy who was Rockford's
>nemesis while they were in jail (maybe Isaac Hayes?) gets out years
>after Rockford, and then shows up on his doorstep trying to intimidate
>him into performing some task by crushing a soda can with his hand.
>
>Rockford (approx): I don't know if you noticed since you got out, but
>those are all aluminum now: Anybody can do that!

I missed the first episode in which Hayes' Gandolph "Gandy" Fitch was
introduced. Subsequent episodes gave me the impression he was mostly
a comedy relief character. Decades later, I finally saw Gandy's debut
episode, where he wants to be cleared of his wife's murder. He was
innocent, in a sense, but
 he was such an abusive husband, and such a relentless stalker that
his wife decided the only escape was to kill herself in such a way
as to frame him for her murder.

Much darker than I expected.
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On 3/4/2024 1:48 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:58:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:11:37 -0800, Paul S Person
>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is all very weird. Metal can lids are not allowed separately
>>>> (under 3") because they cause problems with the equipment (I think
>>>> they slip through the part that grinds everything into pieces). Yet
>>>> they are magnetic, and so (one would think) should be separated out by
>>>> then.
>>>
>>> Really?!? It's been years since I've encountered one of those that
>>> wasn't aluminum.
>>
>> Most non-beverage cans (peas, corn, soup, etc) are made from
>> tin (or steel) so far as I am aware.
>
> Good point. I was entirely thinking about drink cans.

Aluminum is mainly for cans of carbonated drinks, where
the pressure supports the structure against buckling.

If a regular food can is bulging with internal pressure.
don't consume the contents.

pt

The Horny Goat wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:58:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
> >The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
> > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:11:37 -0800, Paul S Person
> >><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is all very weird. Metal can lids are not allowed
> > > > separately (under 3") because they cause problems with the
> > > > equipment (I think they slip through the part that grinds
> > > > everything into pieces). Yet they are magnetic, and so (one
> > > > would think) should be separated out by then.
> > >
> > > Really?!? It's been years since I've encountered one of those that
> > > wasn't aluminum.
> >
> > Most non-beverage cans (peas, corn, soup, etc) are made from
> > tin (or steel) so far as I am aware.
>
> Good point. I was entirely thinking about drink cans.

Cans with pop-tops, soup and such, are composite. The top is aluminum
and the body steel.

Brian

On 05/03/2024 08:16, Default User wrote:
> The Horny Goat wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:58:44 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:11:37 -0800, Paul S Person
>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is all very weird. Metal can lids are not allowed
>>>>> separately (under 3") because they cause problems with the
>>>>> equipment (I think they slip through the part that grinds
>>>>> everything into pieces). Yet they are magnetic, and so (one
>>>>> would think) should be separated out by then.
>>>>
>>>> Really?!? It's been years since I've encountered one of those that
>>>> wasn't aluminum.
>>>
>>> Most non-beverage cans (peas, corn, soup, etc) are made from
>>> tin (or steel) so far as I am aware.
>>
>> Good point. I was entirely thinking about drink cans.
>
> Cans with pop-tops, soup and such, are composite. The top is aluminum
> and the body steel.

I'm not sure what you're describing.
In the UK, I get steel cans with and
without a ring-pull to take the whole
top off a can, and sometimes all aluminium.
For disposal, I test the ring and the lid
with a magnet. I think I haven't ever
found a mismatch, but I test. Then I
put a couple of lids inside a can of that
type, and squash and fold the top of the
can. Oh, after removing a paper wrapper -
by putting hot or boiling water in the
can, to melt glue. And then wash it -
after adding cold water. All this is
mostly to entertain myself, but my thought
with closing the can is to not have any
different recyclable material fall inside
the can.

A couple of old detextive stories struck me -
one where Lord Peter Wimsey consigned
a bottle to regular trash when it was no
longer required as evidence, and another
where a servant claimed that house policy
was to wash items before putting them in
regular trash, which usually makes no sense.
This suggested foul play. I do wash
food containers that don't recycle because
I don't want the trash in my kitchen
to have a foul smell.