"Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.

I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,
four slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.

Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually
relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and
the word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).

I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
they wanted to do so.

[1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>
--
Michael F. Stemper
If it isn't running programs and it isn't fusing atoms, it's just bending space.

On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>
> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
> there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,
> four slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.
>
> Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually
> relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and
> the word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).
>
> I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
> but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
> could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
> they wanted to do so.
>
> [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>

Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it,
somewhere?

Because my copy of "Trader to the Stars" doesn't have it.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On 14/03/2024 00.31, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>>
>> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
>> there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,

I used the wrong term here; the whole notes aren't dotted, but are
modified by fermatas.

>> I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
>> but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
>> could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
>> they wanted to do so.
>>
>> [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>
>
> Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it, somewhere?

I think that this will show it:
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eEssDYrt73vtdgYJ0q_qHud0i8e-qzFq/view?usp=sharing>

Thanks,
Mike
--
Michael F. Stemper
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?

"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
>On 14/03/2024 00.31, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>>>
>>> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
>>> there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,
>
>I used the wrong term here; the whole notes aren't dotted, but are
>modified by fermatas.
>
>>> I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
>>> but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
>>> could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
>>> they wanted to do so.
>>>
>>> [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>
>>
>> Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it, somewhere?
>
>I think that this will show it:
><https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eEssDYrt73vtdgYJ0q_qHud0i8e-qzFq/view?usp=sharing>
>

There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.

C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat

I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.

On 14/03/2024 13.20, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 14/03/2024 00.31, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>>> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>>>>
>>>> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
>>>> there is written a short musical passage:

>>> Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it, somewhere?
>>
>> I think that this will show it:
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eEssDYrt73vtdgYJ0q_qHud0i8e-qzFq/view?usp=sharing>
>>
>
> There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
> measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.

Well, chant is also notated without time signatures or even bars. I
don't think that lack of a time signature is really intended to imply
one (except, maybe, common time).

> C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat
>
> I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.

Well, thanks for trying.

--
Michael F. Stemper
87.3% of all statistics are made up by the person giving them.

Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
>measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.
>
>C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat
>
>I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.

A number of Poul Anderson stories have original music, sometimes with original
lyrics. Sometimes just the lyrics (like Mary O'Meara which had Anne Passovoy
write the tune for it). It used to be you could hear people playing many of
his songs in filk circles but they seem to have fallen out of favour.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
>>measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.
>>
>>C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat
>>
>>I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.
>
>A number of Poul Anderson stories have original music, sometimes with original
>lyrics. Sometimes just the lyrics (like Mary O'Meara which had Anne Passovoy
>write the tune for it). It used to be you could hear people playing many of
>his songs in filk circles but they seem to have fallen out of favour.

And here's where Dorethy would have added a piquant anecdote about
the Andersons.

Sigh. She is missed.

On 2024-03-14, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
> On 14/03/2024 07:09, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>>
>> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
>> there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes,
>> four slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.
>>
>> Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually
>> relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and
>> the word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).
>>
>> I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
>> but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
>> could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If
>> they wanted to do so.
>>
>> [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>
>
> Dare I suggest that you take a photograph of the page and post it,
> somewhere?
>
> Because my copy of "Trader to the Stars" doesn't have it.
>
> Cheers,

It's in my copy, but my wife (much more musically inclined than I am)
didn't recognize it at all.

The 8 notes described above are
C F C C# G A B Bflat

Chris

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:09:04 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>
> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
> there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes, four
> slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.
>
> Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually
> relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and the
> word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).
>
> I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
> but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they could
> look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If they wanted
> to do so.
>
> [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>

Those are not "dotted" whole notes in the common meaning of the term,
i.e. extending the duration by a half. That's when the dot is to
the right of the note. I can't recall what a dot in a semicircle
means.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:20:57 +0000, Charles Packer wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:09:04 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>
>> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>>
>> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
>> there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes, four
>> slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.
>>
>> Does anybody here know what this tune is? I think that it is actually
>> relevant to the story, since the 32-nd notes are marked "gliss." and
>> the word "glissandos" is used on the same page (fifth paragraph).
>>
>> I realize that my description isn't enough to identify the tune,
>> but if somebody musically inclined has a copy of "Territory", they
>> could look at it and play it on a piano or violin or something. If they
>> wanted to do so.
>>
>> [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55406>
>
> Those are not "dotted" whole notes in the common meaning of the term,
> i.e. extending the duration by a half. That's when the dot is to the
> right of the note. I can't recall what a dot in a semicircle means.

I found it. It's a "held" note, meaning longer than the note value,
but otherwise left to the performer.

On 14/03/2024 18.51, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> There's no time signature, so it would appear to be a single
>>> measure in, if I remember back that far, 5/4.
>>>
>>> C, F C/Csharp/G/A B, Bflat
>>>
>>> I played it on a piano and it did not sound familiar.
>>
>> A number of Poul Anderson stories have original music, sometimes with original
>> lyrics. Sometimes just the lyrics (like Mary O'Meara which had Anne Passovoy
>> write the tune for it). It used to be you could hear people playing many of
>> his songs in filk circles but they seem to have fallen out of favour.
>
> And here's where Dorethy would have added a piquant anecdote about
> the Andersons.
>
> Sigh. She is missed.

Yeah, I thought of her as I was writing up my question.

--
Michael F. Stemper
I refuse to believe that a corporation is a person until Texas executes one.

On 15/03/2024 02.43, Charles Packer wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:20:57 +0000, Charles Packer wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:09:04 -0500, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>
>>> "Territory"[1] is a short story or novellette by Poul Anderson.
>>>
>>> I have it in the collection _Trader to the Stars_. At the beginning,
>>> there is written a short musical passage: two dotted whole notes, four
>>> slurred 32-nd notes, followed by two more dotted whole notes.

>> Those are not "dotted" whole notes in the common meaning of the term,
>> i.e. extending the duration by a half. That's when the dot is to the
>> right of the note. I can't recall what a dot in a semicircle means.
>
> I found it. It's a "held" note, meaning longer than the note value,
> but otherwise left to the performer.

The term is "fermata".
--
Michael F. Stemper
A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.