On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 12:46:13 -0600, John Savard
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 08:54:35 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Was the theory /really/ that those born after 1948 would all die
>>first? Leaving only those born before 1948 alive at the second coming?
>>Or did something get muddled somewhere?
>
>It was only about who wouldn't die, not about who would die.
>
>Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass away until
>all be fulfilled.

That's not what was being discussed.

It was specific to the founding of the State of Israel.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 12:43:44 -0600, John Savard
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 11:04:26 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>(Though we definitely were taught that a very few children alive at
>>the time of the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 would still
>>be alive at the second coming of Jesus Christ - meaning i was a few
>>years too young to be part of that...)
>
>This is definitely heretical!
>
>Any unbiased reading of God's Holy Word, the Bible, will make it clear
>and plain that what it says is that some children alive *at the time
>of the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD* will still be alive at the
>second coming of Jesus Christ!
>
>This is absolutely obvious, it is completely beyond any denial... and,
>of course, what it proves about the Bible creates a problem for
>Christianity.

As Paul put it, the Gospel is "nonsense to the Greeks".

It is "the Greeks" -- those who attempt to apply their thoughts to the
topic -- that have the problem.

And Jesus never mentioned "70 AD" -- this is a clue that whatever you
are quoting may not be entirely trustworthy.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 12:20:56 -0600, John Savard
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 08:47:20 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Is Scofield in public domain? That was widely accepted in the relevant
>>quarters. It was also a KJV.
>
>It was originally published in 1917, so, yes, it's in the public
>domain at least in the United States. Despite that, at first when I
>went looking for a copy online, I could only find the original 1901
>editioin, but a while later the 1917 editioin also appeared.
>
>While the Scofield Reference Bible _is_ very popular among
>Fundamentalists these days, though, it's a controversial versioin, as
>it's based on the viewpoint of "dispensationalism". This view of the
>Bible takes the common idea that there are some things in the Old
>Testament that seem to contradict the New Testament, but these are
>laws God gave to different people in different circumstances, and
>extends the principle to eliminate all the contradictions in the Bible
>by dividing it up ito seven (or is it eight?) dispensations.
>
>So, for example, in addition to Old Testament times and New Testament
>times, there's God's Law as it was iln the Garden of Eden, and God's
>Law after the end of the world.

Thus, while I'd reject a Scofield Reference Bible as something to
recommend, considering it to be excessively sectarian, what I was
thinking was something like, say, John Canne's marginal references.

John Savard

On Tue, 02 Apr 2024 16:11:08 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>>It has been known to happen. I even heard a rumor once that a Scotsman
>>offered to pick up the check.
>
>Clearly not a true Scotsman.

Either that or hell has frozen over.

Or merely a parent blessing his/her child. I've never heard Scots had
a problem in that department.

On Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:52:52 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 12:46:13 -0600, John Savard
><quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 08:54:35 -0700, Paul S Person
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Was the theory /really/ that those born after 1948 would all die
>>>first? Leaving only those born before 1948 alive at the second coming?
>>>Or did something get muddled somewhere?
>>
>>It was only about who wouldn't die, not about who would die.
>>
>>Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass away until
>>all be fulfilled.
>
>That's not what was being discussed.
>
>It was specific to the founding of the State of Israel.

I was taught that as a child. Obviously there are a few such people
left.

On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 03:06:48 -0600, John Savard
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

>Thus, while I'd reject a Scofield Reference Bible as something to
>recommend, considering it to be excessively sectarian, what I was
>thinking was something like, say, John Canne's marginal references.

I had one of those in my teens and early 20s (before I had my
briefcase stolen which contained it) but no question it's rather more
dogmatic on the dispensation theory than I can credit.

One thing I >DO< enjoy reading these days is familiar passages in
other translations. Particularly those pre King James Version like
Wycliffe's or Tyndale's. I well understand that has more to do with
the evolution of the English language than anything to do with the
Bible itself. I'm far more interested in that than reading
commentaries by Scofield and others.

On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 11:52:14 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Apr 2024 08:52:52 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 12:46:13 -0600, John Savard
>><quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 08:54:35 -0700, Paul S Person
>>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Was the theory /really/ that those born after 1948 would all die
>>>>first? Leaving only those born before 1948 alive at the second coming?
>>>>Or did something get muddled somewhere?
>>>
>>>It was only about who wouldn't die, not about who would die.
>>>
>>>Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass away until
>>>all be fulfilled.
>>
>>That's not what was being discussed.
>>
>>It was specific to the founding of the State of Israel.
>
>I was taught that as a child. Obviously there are a few such people
>left.

Indeed, this is what I was responding to:

>(Though we definitely were taught that a very few children alive at
>the time of the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 would still
>be alive at the second coming of Jesus Christ - meaning i was a few
>years too young to be part of that...)

which appears to be yours.

My question was why you would not still be alive at the second coming
because you were born after the foundation of the state of Israel? Of
course, you might or might not, depending on how things go, but what
made it certain that someone older than you would be alive then but
you would not (well, until you were resurrected, of course)?

Or was the idea that a new "Wandering Jew"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew> was born before 1948?
Who might have to wait centuries, if not millenia, for his release?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 09:13:17 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>My question was why you would not still be alive at the second coming
>because you were born after the foundation of the state of Israel? Of
>course, you might or might not, depending on how things go, but what
>made it certain that someone older than you would be alive then but
>you would not (well, until you were resurrected, of course)?

Obviously if it happened today I would still be alive but having been
born in the mid 50s was born well after the foundation of Israel.

Naturally I was also taught "no man knows the day nor the hour...."
which was considered a proof text against those who would claim to
have a date which both the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's
Witness did. And naturally there are lots of people (including close
family relatives including my wife) born after 1948 who are no longer
with us.

As for your last point there was an obit in our local paper about a
month ago for a lady who had reached age 110...and of course I cried
for milady who got much less than that.

On Mar 25, 2024, John Savard wrote on rec.arts.sf.written
(in article<p3k30j908ii9hs6g03te52dkl26sv7e49j@4ax.com>):

> On Quora, sometimes people ask really stupid questions.
> One person asked: What would you like to hear about Germany's
> invasioin of China in the future?
>
> Initially, I responded with the snarky comment... a sequel to the
> Perry Rhodan novel in which it happened.
> But then I searched, and found that in 1898, Germany did, like many
> other nations, invade China and get a concession from it. Around
> Qingdao IIRC.
>
> But then, I thought, maybe Nostradamus predicted that Germany would
> invade China, and that's what thuis was about. My search turned up a
> Google Books resullt for a book about Nostradamus and Branham, God's
> something-or-other.
>
> I did further searching. William Branham was a preacher. Did he have
> propecies? Yes he did; he had a series of seven visions.

<snip> (See rec.arts.sf.written for the rest and some interesting
followups.)

I have the ability to determine the special abilities of others
(email me a picture of yourself if you want me to determine
yours, and/or do a matchmaking reading).

Among abilities I have considered are:

1. waking precog, up to 1 year in the future,
2. waking backcog, up to 1 year in the past,
3. prophetic dreams ability, from 1 year in the future onward,
4. backward dreams ability, from 1 year in the past backward.

Also some have wide range magickal special ability which
includes 1/3 strength of a variety of special abilities including
(1) and (2). One person with this ability is my friend
musician Jim Fidler.

And some have psychedelic drug enhanceable special
ability and have wide range magickal special ability
while enhanced, except they have full strength out of
body ability and species someone negotiator special
ability while enhanced, not just 1/3 strength.

One person I know of who has prophetic dreams special
ability is musician Sarah McLachlan, so I hope she can
do some pre-sleep meditation/self prompting towards dream
prediction of any big earthquake affecting Vancouver.

--
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“Mary walks down to the water’s edge and there she hangs Her head to
find herself faded a shadow of what she once was" (Sarah McLachlan)

On Apr 8, 2024, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2BC469D5011713BC700007FCF38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

>
> I have the ability to determine the special abilities of others
> (email me a picture of yourself if you want me to determine
> yours, and/or do a matchmaking reading).
>
> Among abilities I have considered are:
>
> 1. waking precog, up to 1 year in the future,
> 2. waking backcog, up to 1 year in the past,
> 3. prophetic dreams ability, from 1 year in the future onward,
> 4. backward dreams ability, from 1 year in the past backward.

Also some have waking (but meditative) past life regression
ability which should allow them to determine some details
of the past life of someone they are doing a reading on.
One person I know of with this ability is musician
Tanita Tikaram, whose first album is titled Ancient Heart.

--
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“Mary walks down to the water’s edge and there she hangs Her head to
find herself faded a shadow of what she once was" (Sarah McLachlan)

David Dalton wrote:
[...]

Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
killfiled.

--
https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:33:04 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Dalton wrote:
> [...]
>
>Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
>killfiled.

But ... but ... but ...

his blatherings are so /entertaining/!

Each post a new amusement!
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Apr 9, 2024, Paul S Person wrote
(in article<8nna1jt212p4nm4anrfko1mcf9990t2mp4@4ax.com>):

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:33:04 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > David Dalton wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
> > killfiled.
>
> But ... but ... but ...
>
> his blatherings are so /entertaining/!
>
> Each post a new amusement!

B-lathering=magnetic quantum foam. :-)

--
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“Mary walks down to the water’s edge and there she hangs Her head to
find herself faded a shadow of what she once was" (Sarah McLachlan)

On 4/9/2024 8:30 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:33:04 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David Dalton wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
>> killfiled.
>
> But ... but ... but ...
>
> his blatherings are so /entertaining/!
>
No, they aren't.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Apr 9, 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote
(in article <uv4odk$i457$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 4/9/2024 8:30 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:33:04 -0400, JTEM<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > David Dalton wrote:
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Check your crossposts, otherwise you're just going to get
> > > killfiled.
> >
> > But ... but ... but ...
> >
> > his blatherings are so /entertaining/!

> No, they aren’t.

Probably if I wrote them in the form of an SF novel
you would gladly read them.

Perhaps some on here are rigidly religious?

Has anyone read Heinlein’s J.O.B.: A Comedy of Justice?

--
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“Mary walks down to the water’s edge and there she hangs Her head to
find herself faded a shadow of what she once was" (Sarah McLachlan)