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From: robertaw@drizzle.com (Robert Woodward)
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by: Robert Woodward - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 04:53 UTC

I have seen James Nicoll use this phrase and it just showed up in Girl
Genius (https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20240417). Who
invented it?

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by: Mad Hamish - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:22 UTC

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:53:41 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

>I have seen James Nicoll use this phrase and it just showed up in Girl
>Genius (https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20240417). Who
>invented it?

It's been around the role playing groups for a long time

https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/3djm4k/where_did_the_term_murder_hobo_originate_from/

has several people saying they heard it in the 80s or 90s, the
earliest records on the web seem to be rpg.net in the mid 2000s (the
decade)

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by: Don - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 10:27 UTC

Robert Woodward wrote:
> I have seen James Nicoll use this phrase and it just showed up in Girl
> Genius (https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20240417). Who
> invented it?

Is it a DnD thing, perchance?

Shakespeare's been my own thing as of late. On its surface,
"Murder Hoboes" seems vile enough to qualify as Hamletonian.

Hamlet characters in DnD

So I was making a character based on Horatio living in the
aftermath of the tragedy, and it got me thinking about the
different characters in Hamlet and how they could be
described in DnD terms.

Horatio - wizard or cleric. Wise, loyal and scholarly.
Either an elf or a half elf, to put emphasis on the
“outliving everyone” part

Hamlet - Human rogue. Nat 20 sneak attack with Assassinate
through a curtain. Nuff said.

Ophelia - Eladrin elf Druid. There is no quick and tragic
spiral into madness quite like one accelerated by the rage
of nature and the seasons themselves. Also, Druidic wisdom
that persisted even in insanity - the flowers Ophelia was
handing out in that one scene mean specific things in flower
language (eg the ones she gave to Gertrude mean infidelity)

<https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/8uuf9z/hamlet_characters_in_dnd/>

Francis Bacon used Shakespeare as a nom de plume. HAMLET by BACON. Get
it? Bacon could never pass up a jest. [1]

Note.

[1] <https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1625jonson-bacon.asp>

Danke,

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by: Robert Woodward - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 04:36 UTC

In article <ec1v1j50n6nu8ma5p2bv9vgchv3jav0mea@4ax.com>,
Mad Hamish <newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:53:41 -0700, Robert Woodward
> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
> >I have seen James Nicoll use this phrase and it just showed up in Girl
> >Genius (https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20240417). Who
> >invented it?
>
> It's been around the role playing groups for a long time
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/3djm4k/where_did_the_term_murder_hobo_originate_from/

Thank you.

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Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

Subject	Author
A Question Concerning the Phrase "Murder Hoboes"	Robert Woodward
Re: A Question Concerning the Phrase "Murder Hoboes"	Mad Hamish
Re: A Question Concerning the Phrase "Murder Hoboes"	Robert Woodward
Re: A Question Concerning the Phrase "Murder Hoboes"	Don