On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 5:59:54 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> (in article<0bf762c1-79a0-4934...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:38:09 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > On Sep 17, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > > (in article<59226ee5-891a-4553...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:23:50 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 16, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > > > > (in article<4eb745ae-5eef-4d4b...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:30:12 AM UTC-4, David Dalton
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then is early spring 1995 Ariane put me on the guest list
> > > > > > > for Shane MacGowan and The Popes with The Paperboys
> > > > > > > opening, at The Commodore Ballroom, and that is
> > > > > > > where the elbow pulling incident occurred. And it
> > > > > > > was no ordinary touch, but similar to that described in
> > > > > > > these lyrics by The Weather Station:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "There was a time you put your hand on the small of my back I was
> > > > > > > surprised
> > > > > > > that you touched me like that
> > > > > > > But there in your hand was a current of life
> > > > > > > I could hardly stand.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was an electric, warming, compatible touch, but I didn’t
> > > > > > > realize it was her until after the later stare incident occurred,
> > > > > > > since she ran off so fast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wait a second...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She allegedly pulled your elbow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She then wrote a song about someone (unidentified in the lyric) putting
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > hand on the small of her back.
> > >
> > > > > Huh, I said that the lyrics about the small of the back were by
> > > > > The Weather Station, not by Sarah, but that it was a similar
> > > > > electric, warming, compatible touch. You are not a very
> > > > > good reader, and seem to be a contrarian.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a very good reader, David. I just don't have any knowledge of pop music
> > > > (post 1964). I don't know a thing about Sarah McLachlan. I googled her to
> > > > see
> > > > who you were talking about, and found the information about her stalker on
> > > > Wikipedia. I assumed that the "Weather Station" was either Sarah's album or
> > > > band.
> > > >
> > > > Now you're saying that some band that wasn't connected with Sarah wrote a
> > > > lyric about a man placing his hand on the small of a woman's back, and that
> > > > this is a secret reference to Sarah's having pulled your elbow?
> > > I didn’t say it was a reference to the elbow touch. I said it
> > > was a similar touch, this time between a bim and a
> > > straight-type-2-F, whereas Sarah and I are a bif and
> > > a straight-type-2-M.
> >
> > Apart from being a touch (and touches are very common occurrences), why
> > should Weather Station's lyric be about Sarah touching you?
> They aren’t, they are about a similar Touch.
> > > > 1) You wrote about Sarah in a fan group.
> > > > 2) A friend of hers *may* have brought some of your posts to her attention.
> > > Obviously she did, based on Sarah’s behaviour towards me
> > > in the spring of 1995.
> >
> > 1) It isn't obvious to me.
> > 2) AFAICS Sarah's only "behavior" was to stare back (if she even was staring)
> > at someone who was staring at her.
> No, I did not initiate the stare. I was coming back from the
> washroom and she was standing near the bar and directly
> faced me and stared at me as if I was her long lost lover.
> > > > 3) One night at a bar someone pulled your elbow, but you didn't see who it
> > > > was.
> > > I saw her from behind, and my memory of the incident later
> > > was consistent with it being her.
> >
> > If you only saw her from behind, she might not have even been in the bar. And
> > your memory of being pulled would be just as consistent if applied to anyone
> > else who was in the bar.
> >
> > IMHO, people don't pull on the elbows of strangers (or even of friends). I
> > suspect that someone caught their jacket or purse on you as they passed. In
> > any case, the "pulling" would have been accidental.
> No, I was on some steps off to the side in a rapidly emptying
> bar, and she came up behind me and palmed my right
> elbow from behind and pulled it to the left, causing me
> to look to the left, and she ran off to the right. Again it
> was a warming, electric, compatible Touch, and was
> most definitely not accidental.
> > How can you be sure that Sarah simply wasn't lost in thought and completely
> > unaware of what her eyes appeared to be "staring" at?
> She wasn’t sitting down, she was planted standing about a metre
> away from me near the bar, full frontal, no doubt.
>
> I mentioned the songs Sweet Surrender and I Love You.
>
> Other references that may have been to me in her lyrics
> are:
>
> 1. I Will Remember You (IWRY)
>
> "But once there was a darkness, deep and endless night
> You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light”
>
> which indicated that my playful writing brought her out
> of depression, like Jesus casting demons out of
> Mary Magdalene.
>
> 2. Do What You Have To Do
>
> "And I have the sense to recognize
> That I don’t know how to let you go
> Every moment marked with apparitions of your soul
> I’m ever swiftly moving, trying to escape this desire
>
> <snip>
>
> A glowing ember
> Burning hot and burning slow
> Deep within, I’m shaken by the violence
> Of existing for only you”
>
> 3. Adia
>
> "Adia I’m empty since you left me trying to find a way to carry on
> I search myself and everyone
> to see where we went wrong”
>
> (written after I left Vancouver at the end of 1995,
> and note that on the FTE list I referred to her as
> S quite often and myself as D at times, and in
> the song at times she says “A D” for Adia).
>
> 4. Building a Mystery
>
> (written after I wrote her a long letter that later served as
> a first draft for my Salmon on the Thorns web page)
>
> "Oh you’re so beautiful
> A beautiful fucked up man
> You’re setting up your
> Razor wire shrine
>
> ‘Cause you’re working
> Building a mystery
> Holding on, holding it in
> Oh yeah you’re working
> Building a mystery
> And choosing so carefully”
>
> (so that one was less complimentary. And when she
> did the song at a September 10, 2004 concert in
> Vancouver that I attended, when she said
> “beautiful fucked-up man” she looked in my
> direction, and I had posted my seat number to
> alt.music.s-mclachlan.)
>
> 5. Illusions of Bliss
>
> “ ‘Cause it’s you who released me
> It’s you who gave me fire
> Oh, and now it’s impossible to grow
> Without breaking stride, I get so high
>
> Take me out beyond the incline
> Make it past the former fault line
> For today I let the moment win
>
> Here I go again, saying things I shouldn’t say
> Just so I can hear them back from you”
>
> which references my Earth Sciences background,
> and again my releasing her from depression.
>
> 6. Monsters
>
> "And don’t you know that there’s a wolf stalking in sheep’s
> clothing tells me he’s the real thing
> Think what your life would be missing
> if you didn’t have him to sing
> To sing about”
>
> Which references my claim to be similar to The Lamb,
> and I guess that I may have been guilty of a little
> e-stalking, and that she has sung about me.
>
> The above six, and Sweet Surrender and I Love You
> that I quoted from earlier, are all from after the
> Fumbling Towards Ecstasy album, so within the
> period when she may have been aware of me. But
> I also fulfilled prophecies made by her in some of
> her earlier songs, especially in my 1991 sun stare, naked
> thorn hill climb, and blue rose vision, which I
> didn’t discuss online much until late 1996 and 1997,
> but I think she was aware of the sun stare.
> And I think that she has prophetic dreams ability.
>
> Also at her Sunflower Sunday concert I spread my
> arms wide and then cast them towards her, and I
> think she saw me and felt something (I later
> mentioned it in a review that I posted, which is
> on my home page, as is a picture of me with
> her on stage on November 14, 2014, which
> she wouldn’t have done if she considered me
> a stalker).
>
> Also on the night of January 29, 1995, shortly before
> new moon, I sent a factor 100 (where 10 is excellent)
> kundalini antenna orgasm wave from Vancouver to
> her and Crystal (who I had not seen, so it may not have
> gone to her) then in New Zealand, and I think she
> felt it. Weeks later I received a similar wave that
> I think was from her, though at the time I joked that
> it may have been from a blue whale near Hawaii.
>
> Also some mystic blocks associated with me including
> against recognition of my presence in the artwork of
> others, and against my having romantic involvement
> with Sarah, have supposedly been lifted, so I hope
> you will re-evaluate your position.
> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> "For she is the perfect creature, natural in every feature
> And I am the geek with the alchemists' stone" (Jimmy MacCarthy)

Again, interesting back story.