Rocksolid Light

Welcome to Rocksolid Light

mail  files  register  nodelist  faq  login

Many are cold, but few are frozen.


aus+uk / uk.rec.cycling / Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and_four_points_in_court

SubjectAuthor
* Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driver_swldx...@gmail.com
+- Re: _Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driswldx...@gmail.com
+- Re: _Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driswldx...@gmail.com
`- Re: _Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driswldx...@gmail.com

1
Subject: Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and_four_points_in_court
From: swldx...@gmail.com
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:13 UTC
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:596b:0:b0:46b:cc90:5a87 with SMTP id eq11-20020ad4596b000000b0046bcc905a87mr3309066qvb.59.1655216000016;
Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5ac5:0:b0:304:fa16:1227 with SMTP id
d5-20020ac85ac5000000b00304fa161227mr4131824qtd.37.1655215999385; Tue, 14 Jun
2022 07:13:19 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:13:19 -0700 (PDT)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=51.7.190.96; posting-account=C0YVfQoAAABh4p4NE_bEvMV8znsP81Ld
NNTP-Posting-Host: 51.7.190.96
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <3248c884-5625-4b79-b29c-b4ee22483ebbn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driver_
refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and_fou
r_points_in_court
From: swldxer1958@gmail.com (swldx...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:13:20 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 2765
View all headers
WHEN WILL THESE IDIOTS EVER LEARN?
TAKE THE LESSONS.

If you've been caught on camera in the wrong, it's probably best to cut your losses, take your medicine and accept your place on a driver awareness course...

Today's Near Miss of the Day has shades of Sunday's now-famous edition — Near Miss of the Day 783 where an aggressive close pass driver was offered a speed awareness course, declined, and ended up with a £2,460 fine and six points after losing two appeals.

No effing and blinding in today's, and a slightly lesser punishment in court, but another motorist who should probably have just taken their £85 slap on the wrist and run.

road.cc reader Dave was riding near Bridgend in Wales last September when he was close passed by the driver of the Audi Q8 in the video above.

As with Sunday's Near Miss, Dave sent this one in via Operation SNAP (link is external), prompting the police to offer the driver a place on an awareness course. Instead, they turned it down, taking it to court and ended up with a rather hefty bill.

A fine of £1,152, surcharge of £115, £620 court costs, and 4 points on his licence. That awareness course is looking quite appealing now, isn't it?

"From all of my correspondence with South Wales Police they have been great with dealing with close pass videos," Dave told us. "They have provided good feedback on most the videos and are quick to respond if they need more information."

https://road.cc/content/news/near-miss-day-784-293595


Subject: Re:_Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and_four_points_in_court
From: swldx...@gmail.com
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 16:20 UTC
References: 1
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:ac9:b0:464:5f21:2c51 with SMTP id g9-20020a0562140ac900b004645f212c51mr4118839qvi.40.1655223648654;
Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2991:b0:6a6:cde5:4f23 with SMTP id
r17-20020a05620a299100b006a6cde54f23mr4642008qkp.209.1655223648386; Tue, 14
Jun 2022 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <3248c884-5625-4b79-b29c-b4ee22483ebbn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=51.7.190.96; posting-account=C0YVfQoAAABh4p4NE_bEvMV8znsP81Ld
NNTP-Posting-Host: 51.7.190.96
References: <3248c884-5625-4b79-b29c-b4ee22483ebbn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <b3186217-5cfb-4aec-ad2c-ae335a7f4420n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re:_Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_dri
ver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and
_four_points_in_court
From: swldxer1958@gmail.com (swldx...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 16:20:48 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 1787
View all headers
 TriTaxMan | 709 posts | 43 min ago
2 likes
Yep I agree.  I think too many people have been listening to Mr Loophole, thinking that if they just appeal a FPN that they will be guaranteed to succeed in their appeal as it's not worth the time of the police and CPS to take it to court.

It is perfect response by the judges to slap a higher penalty than they would have if they had just accepted the FPN and hopefully after a few results like this the message will make its way to all motorisTS


Subject: Re:_Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and_four_points_in_court
From: swldx...@gmail.com
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 16:28 UTC
References: 1
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4007:b0:6a6:d0ec:94a9 with SMTP id h7-20020a05620a400700b006a6d0ec94a9mr4642473qko.179.1655224081892;
Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5be6:0:b0:46e:5e81:58f9 with SMTP id
k6-20020ad45be6000000b0046e5e8158f9mr2000497qvc.55.1655224081713; Tue, 14 Jun
2022 09:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <3248c884-5625-4b79-b29c-b4ee22483ebbn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=51.7.190.96; posting-account=C0YVfQoAAABh4p4NE_bEvMV8znsP81Ld
NNTP-Posting-Host: 51.7.190.96
References: <3248c884-5625-4b79-b29c-b4ee22483ebbn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <c50551a4-5afe-4898-9aa3-75c2d56d7deen@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re:_Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_dri
ver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and
_four_points_in_court
From: swldxer1958@gmail.com (swldx...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 16:28:01 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 1778
View all headers
 HoarseMann | 1633 posts | 4 hours ago
6 likes

Great result. It just goes to show that close pass prosecutions can succeed in court.

I know it's hassle for the police and courts when drivers contest a course or FPN, but if people start to realise the punishment will be harsher at court and they're unlikely to win, then they'll stop challenging them and pay up!

The fear of getting an FPN or driver awareness course will then start to have a moderating effect on driver behaviour


Subject: Re:_Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_driver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and_four_points_in_court
From: swldx...@gmail.com
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 20:29 UTC
References: 1
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1889:b0:304:f656:6b09 with SMTP id v9-20020a05622a188900b00304f6566b09mr5712680qtc.287.1655238580069;
Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:29:40 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:3198:b0:6a7:4d71:9a65 with SMTP id
bi24-20020a05620a319800b006a74d719a65mr5590423qkb.247.1655238579942; Tue, 14
Jun 2022 13:29:39 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:29:39 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <3248c884-5625-4b79-b29c-b4ee22483ebbn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=51.7.190.96; posting-account=C0YVfQoAAABh4p4NE_bEvMV8znsP81Ld
NNTP-Posting-Host: 51.7.190.96
References: <3248c884-5625-4b79-b29c-b4ee22483ebbn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <9c5309bb-10de-41b1-977b-77fe8357e52an@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re:_Near_Miss_of_the_Day_784:_Another_close_pass_dri
ver_refuses_awareness_course..._only_to_get_£1,152_fine_and
_four_points_in_court
From: swldxer1958@gmail.com (swldx...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 20:29:40 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 1857
View all headers
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:13:21 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
WHEN WILL THESE IDIOTS EVER LEARN?
TAKE THE LESSONS.

IanMSpencer | 598 posts | 2 hours ago
0 likes

The other costs are potentially they hired a solicitor (if so, what was that solicitor thinking) and the hassle of proving income as fines are income related,aren't they, with a default?

Be interested to hear from the submitter about the court experience.

If I was the solicitor I'd be thinking "might as well make some money off this bell-end and charge by the hour!"



1
rocksolid light 0.7.2
clearneti2ptor