See The Mystery of CVE-2023-38606 podcast at
https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:59:32 +0000
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

> See The Mystery of CVE-2023-38606 podcast at
> https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

I think it's safest to assume that any device containing a microphone
(whether you know it or not) and communications facilities is spying at
all times.

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Joe

On 29-Jan-24 15:39, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:59:32 +0000
> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>> See The Mystery of CVE-2023-38606 podcast at
>> https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
> I think it's safest to assume that any device containing a microphone
> (whether you know it or not) and communications facilities is spying at
> all times.
>
Reminds me of Amazon's response, if you suggest that Alexa devices might
be listening to your conversations.

"Oh no! It only listens when you say 'Alexa' (or which ever wake up
word you use)" - glossing over how it can achieve that feat.

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Sam Plusnet

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 02:39:11 +1100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:59:32 +0000
> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>> See The Mystery of CVE-2023-38606 podcast at
>> https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
> I think it's safest to assume that any device containing a microphone
> (whether you know it or not) and communications facilities is spying at
> all times.

Mindless paranoia.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:30:45 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

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https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

Well, there is always a fine line between being helpful and spying. It also
depends what is done with data. Far worse is Google Chrome and google pixel
phones.

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"Joe" <joe@jretrading.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:59:32 +0000
> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>> See The Mystery of CVE-2023-38606 podcast at
>> https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
> I think it's safest to assume that any device containing a microphone
> (whether you know it or not) and communications facilities is spying at
> all times.
>
> --
> Joe
>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 15:21:46 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:36:01?AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 20:52:47 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
>> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 12:53:16?AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 04:30:17 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
>> >> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 9:25:32?PM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 02:20:05 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
>> >> >> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 8:59:41?PM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >> >> >> See The Mystery of CVE-2023-38606 podcast at
>> >> >> >> https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Has Cursitor Doom been suckered into advertising some anti-spyware product?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Norton doesn't seem to think that the web-site is actively dangerous - and Norton-Symantec has been working for me for some twenty odd years now.
>> >> >> >Cursitor Doom is notoriously silly, and may be placing his trust in an organisation with rather less of a track record.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thank you for that conspicuous display of ignorance, Bill. Pity you
>> >> >> didn't do a bit of background checking on Steve Gibson before you
>> >> >> raced to malign him. His pedigree is unimpeachable.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've never heard of him, and your recommendation isn't that of any kind of expert - you rate as a gullible sucker around here.
>> >> >
>> >> >Who his ancestors were doesn't really come into the effectiveness of his anti-spy-ware - it's not a area where there is a lot of family tradition.
>> >> >
>> >> >Anti-spyware software gets updated frequently to deal with the latest threats that have shown up. Having a big and well-funded organisation to collect the data on those threats is rather more important than individual brilliance, let alone the brilliance of hypothetical ancestors.
>> >> >
>> >> >If you were using the word "pedigree" in the looser sense of previous associates, it still isn't the right kind of recommendation for this sort of product.
>> >>
>> >> Dear oh dear, Bill. What are we to do with you?
>> >> Steve Gibson isn't involved in anti-virus/anti-spyware in any way. He
>> >> wrote the leading program for HDD recovery (Spinrite) and that's all.
>> >> He does plug Spinrite in his podcasts, but it's usually no more than a
>> >> passing mention out of a 100 minute broadcast, and as I said - NOTHING
>> >> TO DO WITH ANTI-SPYWARE. Have you got that through your thick skull
>> >> now? (no offence intended).
>> >
>> >Your subject line was "OT: Has your Iphone been Spying on You?"
>> >There is a thick skull around here and it does seem to be yours.
>>
>> I'll try to simplify this for your addled brain, Bill:
>
>Cursitor Doom's addled brain is good at producing simplifications - entirely because it can't do complicated.
>His "simplifications" tend to miss the point.,
>
>> 1. Yes, all of the last 5 generations of Iphone have this capability
>> built in and a remote party with the access this exploit permits can
>> go anywhere they want on your Iphone, see all your data and photos etc
>> and listen in on your calls.
>>
>> 2. No anti-spyware could have discovered it. It's NOT spyware!
>
>You are alleging that it can be exploited by spyware. Presumably the Iphone doesn't give this access to remote parties (Apple itself excluded ).
>Bleating that it could be fooled into doing so is what sells anti-spyware. If it had been fooled into doing so the media would have gone into a frenzy. It hasn't.
>
>> You clearly didn't follow the link and listen to the discussion. OR,
>> you did, but didn't understand a word of it. Only you know which but I
>> think I can guess.
>
>Third option - I can recognise a sales pitch when I see it, even if you can't.

There's a fourth option which I really should have thought of earlier:
you simply can't resist trolling. The plain fact is that a previously
unknown backdoor into Apple Iphones has been discovered, so whenever
the 'authorities' come a-calling with a warrant to spy on someone,
Apple can no longer claim even *they* can't access a locked phone -
which is what they've been claiming up til now.