Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of 79th.
(shush!) birthday presents.

After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.

Any printable thoughts?

The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat
and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets
which conflicts with her phones cable!
--
Tim Lamb

On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of 79th.
> (shush!) birthday presents.
>
> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
> headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
> my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.

Well not if they run off the TVs speaker port. You cant have too much
bluetooth radio delay because the value is not known to the TV

> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
> speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>
What has the size of the TVs speakers got to do with *headphone* quality?

> Any printable thoughts?
>
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORIA-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Receiver-Headphones/dp/B0BNKJHGTL/

a snip at £7

Then any bluetooth headphone will work

> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat
> and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets
> which conflicts with her phones cable!
Oh dear.

--
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for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

In message <upgm6g$25snh$2@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>79th. (shush!) birthday presents.
>> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>free headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>join me.
>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>and my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>
>Well not if they run off the TVs speaker port. You cant have too much
>bluetooth radio delay because the value is not known to the TV
Ok. So why do they find it necessary to mention low latency?

Presumably it cuts out the set speakers?
>
>
>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>good speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>
>What has the size of the TVs speakers got to do with *headphone*
>quality?
Nothing. Just a comment about cheap TVs.
>
>> Any printable thoughts?
>>
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORIA-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Receiver-Headphones/
>dp/B0BNKJHGTL/
>
>a snip at £7

Indeed. Sadly the battery charging requirement will be an issue.
>
>Then any bluetooth headphone will work
>
>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge
>>thermostat and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around*
>>electric blankets which conflicts with her phones cable!
>Oh dear.
>
>

--
Tim Lamb

On 01/02/2024 in message <2ODAIp0Rl9ulFwon@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim
Lamb wrote:

>Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of 79th.
>(shush!) birthday presents.
>
>After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
>headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
>I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and my
>understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
>speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>
>Any printable thoughts?
>
>The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat and
>then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets which
>conflicts with her phones cable!

The Bluetooth protocol causes lip synch issues in many cases. I have:

Wireless Stereo TV Headphone, Jelly Comb Rechargeable Wireless Headset
with Transmitter for TV Watching, On-Ear Stereo Earphone Supports Optical,
3.5m

Has its own 2.4 GHz transmitter BUT no longer made, worth researching
something similar though.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
By the time you can make ends meet they move the ends

On 01/02/2024 19:39, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <upgm6g$25snh$2@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>> 79th.  (shush!) birthday presents.
>>>  After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>> free  headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>> join me.
>>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>> and  my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>
>> Well not if they run off the TVs speaker port. You cant have too much
>> bluetooth radio delay because the value is  not known to the TV
> Ok. So why do they find it necessary to mention low latency?

Who mentions low latency?

>
>  Presumably it cuts out the set speakers?
yes.

>>
>>
>>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>> good  speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>>
>> What has the size of the TVs speakers got to do with *headphone* quality?
> Nothing. Just a comment about cheap TVs.
>>
>>> Any printable thoughts?
>>>
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORIA-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Receiver-Headphones/
>> dp/B0BNKJHGTL/
>>
>> a snip at £7
>
> Indeed. Sadly the battery charging requirement will be an issue.
Plug it into a USB port on the TV...as well

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 17:48:22 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
> my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.

A lot of soundbars etc have a delay in processing, and many TVs have a lip synch delay adjust setting to advance/retard the audio output in relation to the video.

Therefore any BT delay may be compensatable for by wiggling the settings in the telly.

Owain

In message <upgshv$26u8e$6@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 01/02/2024 19:39, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <upgm6g$25snh$2@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>><tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>> On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>>>79th.  (shush!) birthday presents.
>>>>  After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>>>free  headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>>>join me.
>>>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>>>and  my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>>
>>> Well not if they run off the TVs speaker port. You cant have too
>>>much bluetooth radio delay because the value is  not known to the TV
>> Ok. So why do they find it necessary to mention low latency?
>
>Who mentions low latency?

A related advert for what I take to be the same device.

https://tinyurl.com/yt2rjbcd

>>  Presumably it cuts out the set speakers?
>yes.
>>> a snip at £7
>> Indeed. Sadly the battery charging requirement will be an issue.
>Plug it into a USB port on the TV...as well

I don't think Panasonic had heard of USB ports when her set was built:-(

Ok. Separate plug in charger. Getting to be a faff for someone who
forgets how to record a program!

--
Tim Lamb

In message <xn0ohkfrr5gz8b800o@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
<jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes
>On 01/02/2024 in message <2ODAIp0Rl9ulFwon@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim
>Lamb wrote:
>
>>Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>79th. (shush!) birthday presents.
>>
>>After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
>>headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
>>I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>and my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>good speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>
>>Any printable thoughts?
>>
>>The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat
>>and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets
>>which conflicts with her phones cable!
>
>The Bluetooth protocol causes lip synch issues in many cases. I have:

Ah. Perhaps I Miss-understood the source of the issue.
>
>Wireless Stereo TV Headphone, Jelly Comb Rechargeable Wireless Headset
>with Transmitter for TV Watching, On-Ear Stereo Earphone Supports
>Optical, 3.5m
>
>Has its own 2.4 GHz transmitter BUT no longer made, worth researching
>something similar though.

I have set a younger brain on it:-)
>

--
Tim Lamb

In message <e81732ed-4855-4a72-aca6-b53f9233585en@googlegroups.com>,
Owain Lastname <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> writes
>On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 17:48:22 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
>> my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>
>A lot of soundbars etc have a delay in processing, and many TVs have a
>lip synch delay adjust setting to advance/retard the audio output in
>relation to the video.
>
>Therefore any BT delay may be compensatable for by wiggling the
>settings in the telly.
Interesting! I'll have a poke around my LG and see if anything is
available.

--
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of 79th.
> (shush!) birthday presents.
>
> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
> headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
> my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
> speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>
> Any printable thoughts?
>
> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat
> and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets
> which conflicts with her phones cable!

How about, as a present, turning the thermostat back up? ;-)

Tim

--
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On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:

> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of 79th.
> (shush!) birthday presents.
>
> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
> headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
> my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.

You can get Bluetooth adaptors that will accept a line in or headphone
in analogue audio connection and present it as Bluetooth. Slightly more
faff than having it built in though since they will probably need power
(many can be powered from a USB port, which many TVs have)

> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
> speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.

Indeed, I have yet to heat any that are better than "just about ok"

> Any printable thoughts?

I frequently use my headphones (Sony CH-700) paired directly with the TV
(LG OLED). Generally I don't have any sound synchronisation issues with
them. The TV does have a sound synch adjustment control that allows you
to tweak the sound to lag or lead the picture if required.

> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat
> and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets
> which conflicts with her phones cable!

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John.

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In message
<186551174.728513379.318061.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.individual.n
et>, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> writes
>Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of 79th.
>> (shush!) birthday presents.
>>
>> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
>> headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
>> my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
>> speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>
>> Any printable thoughts?
>>
>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat
>> and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets
>> which conflicts with her phones cable!
>
>How about, as a present, turning the thermostat back up? ;-)

Too late. The electric snuggler is a permanent attachment. Be
interesting to see the effect of warm weather:-)

--
Tim Lamb

In message <uph0fu$27piv$1@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
>
>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>79th. (shush!) birthday presents.
>> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>free headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>join me.
>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>and my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>
>You can get Bluetooth adaptors that will accept a line in or headphone
>in analogue audio connection and present it as Bluetooth. Slightly more
>faff than having it built in though since they will probably need power
>(many can be powered from a USB port, which many TVs have)
>
>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>good speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>
>Indeed, I have yet to heat any that are better than "just about ok"
>
>> Any printable thoughts?
>
>I frequently use my headphones (Sony CH-700) paired directly with the
>TV (LG OLED). Generally I don't have any sound synchronisation issues
>with them. The TV does have a sound synch adjustment control that
>allows you to tweak the sound to lag or lead the picture if required.
>
>
>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge
>>thermostat and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around*
>>electric blankets which conflicts with her phones cable!

Ok John.

The CH-700 would be overkill for a solitary user in a quiet house with
no use for Alexa etc.

Something is being purchased by others so we will see how that performs.
The Panasonic is ancient but junking a working TV will have my distant
Samuels ancestors turning in their graves!
>
>

--
Tim Lamb

On 2/1/2024 3:21 PM, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <xn0ohkfrr5gz8b800o@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes
>> On 01/02/2024 in message <2ODAIp0Rl9ulFwon@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim Lamb wrote:
>>
>>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of 79th. (shush!) birthday presents.
>>>
>>> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
>>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>>
>>> Any printable thoughts?
>>>
>>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets which conflicts with her phones cable!
>>
>> The Bluetooth protocol causes lip synch issues in many cases. I have:
>
> Ah. Perhaps I Miss-understood the source of the issue.
>>
>> Wireless Stereo TV Headphone, Jelly Comb Rechargeable Wireless Headset with Transmitter for TV Watching, On-Ear Stereo Earphone Supports Optical, 3.5m
>>
>> Has its own 2.4 GHz transmitter BUT no longer made, worth researching something similar though.
>
> I have set a younger brain on it:-)
>>
>

Wireless. Charging via proximity (cradle charging). Claims no pairing. Analog input.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-Headphones-Crystal-clear-Lightweight-Transmitter-Black/dp/B0B7P9R373

Yet the article here, describes what it is doing.

https://www.audioimpact.it/en/cuffie-wireless/4812-sennheiser-rs-120-w-4260752330367.html

Bluetooth LE: LE Audio via Bluetooth Low Energy
AUDIO LE latency (~40ms) is much lower than traditional Bluetooth latency (SBC ~170-270ms) -
ensuring audio/video sync for seamless viewing.
LC3 (Low Complexity Communication Codec) is the new high quality audio codec that transmits
high quality audio signals with very low latency,
ensuring that high quality Sennheiser audio stays in sync with your TV

And so far, 40msec is the best latency I've seen in the adverts.

You don't see old Radio Shack FM transmitters any more.

Apparently there was a Bluetooth AptX that had a low latency characteristic,
but it was replaced by Qualcomm (I think Qualcomm may have bought out the
AptX people?).

https://www.soundguys.com/bluetooth-le-audio-lc3-explained-28192/

"All of the current Bluetooth audio codecs, whether that’s

default SBC
Qualcomm’s aptX
Sony’s LDAC

transmit data over Bluetooth Classic.

LE Audio will first be supported in version 5.2 of the Bluetooth Core Specification.

LE Audio introduces an all-new Bluetooth audio codec called LC3

LC3 scales 345kbps, right down to 160kbps.

SBC 345kbps, to 240kbps—ut (it takes a substantial hit to audio quality)

aptX Adaptive 420kbps, to 279 [This is presumably different than "original AptX"]

Sony LDAC 990kbps. to 330
"

And one thing to note, is computer "Bluetooth Stacks" don't support anything but SBC.
The chances of LC3 being available on a Windows PC by default, would be about zero,
since Windows (as near as I could determine), runs BT4 and BT5 devices in BT Classic
mode all the time. This has nothing to do with whether these headphones work -- I'm just
noting that you cannot extrapolate from what your PC does, to how other stuff works,
because the PC is so far behind.

I am very nervous about BT claims. I don't know why that is. My crappy BT speakers, maybe ?

Paul

On 01/02/2024 23:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <uph0fu$27piv$1@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>> On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>
>>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>> 79th.  (shush!) birthday presents.
>>>  After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>> free  headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>> join me.
>>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>> and  my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>
>> You can get Bluetooth adaptors that will accept a line in or headphone
>> in analogue audio connection and present it as Bluetooth. Slightly
>> more faff than having it built in though since they will probably need
>> power (many can be powered from a USB port, which many TVs have)
>>
>>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>> good  speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>
>> Indeed, I have yet to heat any that are better than "just about ok"
>>
>>> Any printable thoughts?
>>
>> I frequently use my headphones (Sony CH-700) paired directly with the
>> TV (LG OLED). Generally I don't have any sound synchronisation issues
>> with them. The TV does have a sound synch adjustment control that
>> allows you to tweak the sound to lag or lead the picture if required.
>>
>>
>>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge
>>> thermostat  and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around*
>>> electric blankets  which conflicts with her phones cable!
>
> Ok John.
>
> The CH-700 would be overkill for a solitary user in a quiet house with
> no use for Alexa etc.

The 500 range would probably be a better match specs wise. I don't use
any of the smart capabilities on mine - but chose those because they are
quite good for people with big heads / ears ! :-) The sound quality is
also pretty decent IMHO.

> Something is being purchased by others so we will see how that performs.
> The Panasonic is ancient but junking a working TV will have my distant
> Samuels ancestors turning in their graves!
You could always go the add on bluetooth option so long as it has a way
of getting an analogue line or headphone out (or even digital co-ax /
SPDIF etc)

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John.

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On 01/02/2024 19:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 01/02/2024 in message <2ODAIp0Rl9ulFwon@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> Tim
> Lamb wrote:
>
>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>> 79th. (shush!) birthday presents.
>>
>> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable free
>> headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't join me.
>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>> and my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>> good speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>
>> Any printable thoughts?
>>
>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge thermostat
>> and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around* electric blankets
>> which conflicts with her phones cable!
>
> The Bluetooth protocol causes lip synch issues in many cases. I have:

Recent ish TVs will usually have some compensation built in for this,
and also often have controls to allow you to add up to a couple of
hundred ms lead or lag to the audio.

On my 2016 LG, it is in the audio settings:

https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:LGAudioSync1.jpg

You can turn on the adjustment and then drag the slider left or right.
You can also have different settings for different output devices. (in
my photo it has defaulted to the internal speaker since that is what it
was using at the time - but it could equally be an external device or
the ARC return channel etc)

https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:LGAudioSync2.jpg

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 01/02/2024 23:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
> junking a working TV will have my distant Samuels ancestors turning in
> their graves!

I am slowly moving my Tv's towards being HDMI monitors with something
like Raspberry Pis as set top boxes to drive them with anything on the
net as well as TV signals....

--
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker

On 02/02/2024 00:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/02/2024 23:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> junking a working TV will have my distant Samuels ancestors turning in
>> their graves!
>
> I am slowly moving my Tv's towards being HDMI monitors with something
> like Raspberry Pis as set top boxes to drive them with anything on the
> net as well as TV signals....

That is my current setup. With a 'mini' Wi-Fi integrated keyboard and
mouse I can use in my armchair.

What took you so long?

On 02/02/2024 in message <uphdpa$29q69$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

>On 01/02/2024 23:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>junking a working TV will have my distant Samuels ancestors turning in
>>their graves!
>
>I am slowly moving my Tv's towards being HDMI monitors with something like
>Raspberry Pis as set top boxes to drive them with anything on the net as
>well as TV signals....

That's how my stuff is set up, streaming from a QNAP NAS, everything else
via individual boxes, TV is just used as a monitor. Yamaha-RX-S601D for
switching and Amp, probably better options around now.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they
will stop making it

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:48:01 +0000, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
>my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
>speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>
>Any printable thoughts?

I have supplied, for a relative, a Sennheiser headphone set that connects the
headphone jack of the TV to a infrared receiver worn around the neck. No
latency, charger stand, many hours of operation per charge, battery pack lasts
for years, stereo (and can be set to mono). The receiver has a hole for a 3,5
mm jack, so any headphones fit, also an "induction coil" which some hearing aids
pick up. That couples the sound into the hearing aid directly vie the
"telephone" setting.

Works very well: both the transmission thing, and the coupling.

Thomas Prufer

In message <uphcsu$29m2q$1@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>On 01/02/2024 19:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 01/02/2024 in message <2ODAIp0Rl9ulFwon@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
>>Tim Lamb wrote:
>>
>>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>>79th. (shush!) birthday presents.
>>>
>>> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>>free headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>>join me.
>>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>>and my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>>good speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>>
>>> Any printable thoughts?
>>>
>>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge
>>>thermostat and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around*
>>>electric blankets which conflicts with her phones cable!
>> The Bluetooth protocol causes lip synch issues in many cases. I
>>have:
>
>Recent ish TVs will usually have some compensation built in for this,
>and also often have controls to allow you to add up to a couple of
>hundred ms lead or lag to the audio.
>
>On my 2016 LG, it is in the audio settings:
>
>https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:LGAudioSync1.jpg

As on mine! Thanks for this. I had never thought of looking. My TV was
an online purchase from Currys and did not include an operators manual!
>
>You can turn on the adjustment and then drag the slider left or right.
>You can also have different settings for different output devices. (in
>my photo it has defaulted to the internal speaker since that is what it
>was using at the time - but it could equally be an external device or
>the ARC return channel etc)
>
>https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:LGAudioSync2.jpg
>

--
Tim Lamb

In message <uphb1p$29dt7$1@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>On 01/02/2024 23:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <uph0fu$27piv$1@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
>><see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>>> On 01/02/2024 17:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>>>79th.  (shush!) birthday presents.
>>>>  After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>>>free  headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>>>join me.
>>>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>>>and  my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>>
>>> You can get Bluetooth adaptors that will accept a line in or
>>>headphone in analogue audio connection and present it as Bluetooth.
>>>Slightly more faff than having it built in though since they will
>>>probably need power (many can be powered from a USB port, which many >>>TVs have)
>>>
>>>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>>>good  speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>>
>>> Indeed, I have yet to heat any that are better than "just about ok"
>>>
>>>> Any printable thoughts?
>>>
>>> I frequently use my headphones (Sony CH-700) paired directly with
>>>the TV (LG OLED). Generally I don't have any sound synchronisation
>>>issues with them. The TV does have a sound synch adjustment control
>>>that allows you to tweak the sound to lag or lead the picture if required.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge
>>>>thermostat  and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around*
>>>>electric blankets  which conflicts with her phones cable!
>> Ok John.
>> The CH-700 would be overkill for a solitary user in a quiet house
>>with no use for Alexa etc.
>
>The 500 range would probably be a better match specs wise. I don't use
>any of the smart capabilities on mine - but chose those because they
>are quite good for people with big heads / ears ! :-) The sound quality
>is also pretty decent IMHO.
>
>> Something is being purchased by others so we will see how that
>>performs. The Panasonic is ancient but junking a working TV will have
>>my distant Samuels ancestors turning in their graves!
>You could always go the add on bluetooth option so long as it has a way
>of getting an analogue line or headphone out (or even digital co-ax /
>SPDIF etc)

I think that is what my SiL is planning.

So far, I have failed to persuade her that a modern TV in her bedroom
avoids all the issues:-(
>

--
Tim Lamb

In message <929priloto5s6f2hdqedn1a63ruhf77r7k@4ax.com>, Thomas Prufer
<prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> writes
>On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:48:01 +0000, Tim Lamb
><tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth and
>>my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although good
>>speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>
>>Any printable thoughts?
>
>I have supplied, for a relative, a Sennheiser headphone set that connects the
>headphone jack of the TV to a infrared receiver worn around the neck. No
>latency, charger stand, many hours of operation per charge, battery pack lasts
>for years, stereo (and can be set to mono). The receiver has a hole for a 3,5
>mm jack, so any headphones fit, also an "induction coil" which some
>hearing aids
>pick up. That couples the sound into the hearing aid directly vie the
>"telephone" setting.
>
>Works very well: both the transmission thing, and the coupling.

Huh! For someone who can produce tasty meals from complex recipes and
was once a primary school deputy head, anything much beyond pressing a
button is a step too far!
Also, the Panasonic has only the speaker socket.

--
Tim Lamb

On 02/02/2024 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>
> As on mine! Thanks for this. I had never thought of looking. My TV was
> an online purchase from Currys and did not include an operators manual!

I usually try <https://www.manualslib.com/> if a manual isn't easily
available at the vendor's or manufacture's website. It's always worth
checking there.

--

Jeff

On 02 Feb 2024 at 09:08:38 GMT, "Tim Lamb" <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> In message <uphcsu$29m2q$1@dont-email.me>, John Rumm
> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes
>> On 01/02/2024 19:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 01/02/2024 in message <2ODAIp0Rl9ulFwon@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
>>> Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Prompted by one of my daughters, I asked her mother for a list of
>>>> 79th. (shush!) birthday presents.
>>>>
>>>> After a moments thought, she came back with a request for a cable
>>>> free headphone set for TV. Our viewing tastes differ so she can't
>>>> join me.
>>>> I use a gifted Bose pair which work well using Blue Tooth from my LG TV.
>>>> Sadly our lounge Panasonic TV (TX-L37E5B) does not offer Blue tooth
>>>> and my understanding is that radio adapters introduce lip sync issues.
>>>> Curry's have an LG43UR8i006LG for £300 which seems modest although
>>>> good speaker sound out from such a slim TV is unlikely.
>>>>
>>>> Any printable thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> The requirement has arisen because I turned down the lounge
>>>> thermostat and then had to purchase one of those *wrap around*
>>>> electric blankets which conflicts with her phones cable!
>>> The Bluetooth protocol causes lip synch issues in many cases. I
>>> have:
>>
>> Recent ish TVs will usually have some compensation built in for this,
>> and also often have controls to allow you to add up to a couple of
>> hundred ms lead or lag to the audio.
>>
>> On my 2016 LG, it is in the audio settings:
>>
>> https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:LGAudioSync1.jpg
>
> As on mine! Thanks for this. I had never thought of looking. My TV was
> an online purchase from Currys and did not include an operators manual!

Ah well, such can always be downloaded you know. Might have to a bit of
giggling firtst though.

14 years ago I was after the doc for the Motorola SIO and PIO chips that were
on a 68000 SBC I had purchased. Found them on the website of a Turkish
University.

--
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Churchill: "And you, madam, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning."